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Re: If light is so important [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21268102 - 02/13/15 09:01 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Right but I wonder what the weight difference between them are.



Wouldn't it reflect the moisture content of the sub? I dunno.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21268113 - 02/13/15 09:04 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Exactly, and if they are searching for light, why aren't they all leaning toward it? If the only draw back of no light is they grow larger looking for it then...

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21268129 - 02/13/15 09:09 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Perhaps rather than feeding on it (which we know they don't) the light is a trigger... but for what exactly? Pinning? sporulation? fruit development? other?


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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21268131 - 02/13/15 09:10 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Exactly, and if they are searching for light, why aren't they all leaning toward it? If the only draw back of no light is they grow larger looking for it then...



Appearing larger doesn't mean more weight though.  A mushroom grown at higher temps grows "larger" but tends to have more hollow stems.  The same mushroom grown at a cooler temp appears smaller but has a denser stem.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #21268140 - 02/13/15 09:13 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

So grow with a lot less light to get height and colder temps for density :shrug:

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Re: If light is so important [Re: Northerner]
    #21268141 - 02/13/15 09:13 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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lightless ones searching for light, grow longer. Common trait. (theory)




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Perhaps rather than feeding on it (which we know they don't) the light is a trigger... but for what exactly? Pinning? sporulation? fruit development? other?





sort of what i was saying with-
wowimflabbergasted- i wonder if the increase of light intensity was a signal the mushrooms and tells them they would have grown above the height of say grass in the wild and at a good height to open caps and release spores into now available air currents.( maybe they know how high they are by increasing intensity of light as they get taller and when reaches a certain intensity triggers sporulation?)

if we look at WOWs pic only the ones in the bright light are bent over- maybe thats harking back to what hamloaf said about light and the side of fruit using it- so them one are bending in the light to show off there sides?


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Re: If light is so important [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #21268153 - 02/13/15 09:15 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Exactly, and if they are searching for light, why aren't they all leaning toward it? If the only draw back of no light is they grow larger looking for it then...



Appearing larger doesn't mean more weight though.  A mushroom grown at higher temps grows "larger" but tends to have more hollow stems.  The same mushroom grown at a cooler temp appears smaller but has a denser stem.




do you think this has anything to do with mushrooms growing by cell expansion and not cell divison?


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3] * 1
    #21268163 - 02/13/15 09:18 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: If light is so important [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #21268167 - 02/13/15 09:19 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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sort of what i was saying with-
wowimflabbergasted- i wonder if the increase of light intensity was a signal the mushrooms and tells them they would have grown above the height of say grass in the wild and at a good height to open caps and release spores into now available air currents.



Makes sense.
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Appearing larger doesn't mean more weight though.  A mushroom grown at higher temps grows "larger" but tends to have more hollow stems.  The same mushroom grown at a cooler temp appears smaller but has a denser stem.



Grows slower and tends to be more potent too. So do you reckon it has the same duration of energy packed into a smaller fruit?

edit: that's so poorly explained. Hard to put in Spanglish.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21268174 - 02/13/15 09:22 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Exactly, and if they are searching for light, why aren't they all leaning toward it? If the only draw back of no light is they grow larger looking for it then...



Appearing larger doesn't mean more weight though.  A mushroom grown at higher temps grows "larger" but tends to have more hollow stems.  The same mushroom grown at a cooler temp appears smaller but has a denser stem.




do you think this has anything to do with mushrooms growing by cell expansion and not cell divison?



Good point. I think so.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: Northerner]
    #21268196 - 02/13/15 09:31 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

wow rr says they do take energy from light!! so there more like plant than we think!

maybe the caps always face the light only as a means of growing towards it, in an effort to replicate nature and have the caps the right way to help with the air current spreading the spores!!

cronicr once put up a thread about how cap shapes of different species facilitates air currents under the cap of that species , specifically to aid in spreading spores


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Re: If light is so important [Re: Northerner]
    #21268201 - 02/13/15 09:34 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

How many of you have grown in total darkness? I have. How many of you have witnessed the results of growing in total darkness? I have. How many of you have experienced the potency of mushrooms grown in total darkness? I have. I then grew in total darkness and added lack of fae and that's when small caps and hollowed stems same into play. I have fruits growing in a closed bucket growing straight up

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21268209 - 02/13/15 09:36 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I have fruits growing in a closed bucket growing straight up





Mushrooms don't use light for direction of growth.  Mushrooms grown in total darkness will still grow straight up, opposite gravity.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13263705#13263705


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Re: If light is so important [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #21268212 - 02/13/15 09:39 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I have fruits growing in a closed bucket growing straight up





Mushrooms don't use light for direction of growth.  Mushrooms grown in total darkness will still grow straight up, opposite gravity.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13263705#13263705




but what about the direction the cap faces?
alot of shrooms that are bent over the cap still faces up or the direction the light came from?

sorry got answer here-
Mushrooms will orient their caps toward light.  They are deriving energy from the light and position themselves to get maximum benefit.

What mushrooms do not need is light to 'tell' them which way to grow.  They'll grow opposite gravity in total darkness.

Here's a picture of penis envy which was turning toward a light source near the floor for exactly this kind of demonstration.
RR

think about this the mushrooms only job is to release spores, if the cap in nature is the right way it release its spores more efficient. it uses light to decide this.

im sure you have all seen mushrooms that grow sideways only to straighten at the last minute so the cap is still the correct way up!


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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21268216 - 02/13/15 09:40 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

After all we took decades to understand how plants convert light to energy. Mushrooms may have a similar process. Mushrooms lack in chlorophyl but that doesn't mean they don't have another way to obtain energy from light. I suspect melanin take a huge role in light energy absorption.

And we measure the light in our mushrooms by lux units not lumens.

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21268224 - 02/13/15 09:42 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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How many of you have grown in total darkness?



I have been browsing this site for a decade and you are the only one I have seen to have stellar results in total darkenss.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #21268225 - 02/13/15 09:43 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Mushrooms do need light but i think the mechanism by which they benefit is not well understood.  They lack Chlorophyll and don't really photo synthesize in the traditional sense. Their use of light seems to be at least partly to regulate metabolic processes chromatically. A circadian rhythm if you will.




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Re: If light is so important [Re: MrGiraffe] * 1
    #21268226 - 02/13/15 09:43 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I believe RR knows how to grow mushrooms, don't get me wrong. But he's not a mushroom God by any means. Everybody always quotes posts from him to prove their point and I think it's kinda hilarious. Time and time again I've seen ppl being corrected by someone simply searching through old threads to find an RR quote but have never truly understood if what they were quoting were true but rather simply putting trust in the word of someone else

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Re: If light is so important [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21268228 - 02/13/15 09:44 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I've seen RR contradict himself more than once.


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Re: If light is so important [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21268233 - 02/13/15 09:46 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Mushrooms do need light but i think the mechanism by which they benefit is not well understood.  They lack Chlorophyll and don't really photo synthesize in the traditional sense. Their use of light seems to be at least partly to regulate metabolic processes chromatically. A circadian rhythm if you will.







what about for vitamin d like humans?


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