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mustangbob3
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Re: If light is so important [Re: UncleFester]
#21267809 - 02/13/15 07:04 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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you need to know the rate your electricity costs per kwatt. work out how many hours your running the device. watts x hours -gives total watts used then divide by by 100 to give kilowatts the mutiply by the rate
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Re: If light is so important [Re: UncleFester]
#21267814 - 02/13/15 07:07 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think some may be missing the point... the difference between what is optimal and what can give good/reasonable results. If you had the option to provide optimal lighting (after going to a shitload of effort to provide all of the other optimal conditions) why would you skip this?
I've been using the same 5500k LED for years with great results, when I bought it it was believed to be optimal. Maybe this needs to be revisited? Or maybe we can just use the search engine and save a lot of effort?
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21267824 - 02/13/15 07:14 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh, and you are supposed to put your lights close to your fruiting chambers.
most people light from above there tub, thats like a foot away from the substrate. the intensity drop off, from a foot away is huge!! most usable lumens never reach the substrate is what im saying!! fact
if intensity was important we would be better off with the lights even closer for more lumens to reach the sub.
curiously hamloaf actually suggests side lighting as the mushrooms dont absorb light from there caps but from the mycelium and sides of the fruit bodies.
side lighting could be closer to the sub giving more intensity and delivering the light where it is needed 
heres a chart showing cfl intensity at given distances-

the fact is the way we use cfls for mushroom culture is so inefficient. most waste the lumens the light is creating!
EDIT:heres something to think about... pinpornproducer said these grew in the dark with only the light being put on in the laundry room when his girl went in to do clothes!!

these look as healthy as any fruits ive seen!!
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21267840 - 02/13/15 07:28 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said: most people light from above there tub,
Not the way I learned.
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mustangbob3 said: if intensity was important we would be better off with the lights even closer for more lumens to reach the sub.
We're not trying to grow plants.
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mustangbob3 said: curiously hamloaf actually suggests side lighting as the mushrooms dont absorb light from there caps but from the mycelium and sides of the fruit bodies.
Mushrooms don't photosynthesize or have an immune system in fruit bodies. Makes no sense.
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mustangbob3 said: side lighting could be closer to the sub giving more intensity and delivering the light where it is needed 
Or it could be sending "morning" type signal to the fungus. I dunno.
Thinking in terms of plants could be dangerous in this subject. And intensity of light significance could just be that it penetrates deeper into the soil to trigger pinning more strongly.
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mustangbob3
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Northerner]
#21267862 - 02/13/15 07:38 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Northerner said:
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mustangbob3 said: most people light from above there tub,
Not the way I learned.
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mustangbob3 said: if intensity was important we would be better off with the lights even closer for more lumens to reach the sub.
We're not trying to grow plants.
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mustangbob3 said: curiously hamloaf actually suggests side lighting as the mushrooms dont absorb light from there caps but from the mycelium and sides of the fruit bodies.
Mushrooms don't photosynthesize or have an immune system in fruit bodies. Makes no sense.
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mustangbob3 said: side lighting could be closer to the sub giving more intensity and delivering the light where it is needed 
Or it could be sending "morning" type signal to the fungus. I dunno.
Thinking in terms of plants could be dangerous in this subject. And intensity of light significance could just be that it penetrates deeper into the soil to trigger pinning more strongly.
if you look to my first post i already said i dont think intensity had anything to do with it that colour would be more important. and went on to say if intensity was that important then most go about giving this light wrong. all theoretical- my opinion is as i stated in first post and the rest was setting up a stick man to show how i came to my opinion.  read my post carefully my opinion is in my first post. the rest was for the sake of conjecture, and in reply to what was responded:)
and absorb was wrong word!! sorry. mushrooms respond to light or this thread wouldnt exist and we wouldnt use lighting. they 'pick up' or 'sense' light for whatever function and the part that 'senses' is not the caps, but the mycelium and side of fruit bodies. 
sorry i thought the whole premise of this thread was a debate about light intensity and i was putting forward an argument to say and show how mushrooms dont really get a high intensity of light from cfls the way most use them, and that colour is probably more important or we would not see the success we do with cfls and we would have all just stayed using a window.
look at what you posted? I read an article some years ago by RR where he found that the strength and the spectrum (and angle? or was that another article?) of light directly related to pinning
you yourself was getting into the intensity argument then say to me 'were not growing plants' when i mention how we could possibly increase intensity if it was relevant!!
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very rich!! sorry i took it to personaly sorry if i offended you  and no hard feelings
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Re: If light is so important [Re: LumpyNutz]
#21267881 - 02/13/15 07:51 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im glad i made this thread and then went to sleep. I have come to the conclusion i still dont give a fuck about light. If it does matter i dont see how a full spectrum 1000 watt HPS isnt the most effective. ill let you guys play with that for the next 5 years maybe soemone will find so
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LumpyNutz said: well only One way to find out for sure. do a test! 100 FC with hps for lighting 100 FC with cfl for lighting 100 FC wIth No lighting All other growing variables consistent.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21267900 - 02/13/15 07:56 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said: if you look to my first post i already said i dont think intensity had anything to do with it that colour would be more important. and went on to say if intensity was that important then most go about giving this light wrong. all theoretical- my opinion is as i stated in first post and the rest was setting up a stick man to show how i came to my opinion.  read my post carefully my opinion is in my first post. the rest was for the sake of conjecture, and in reply to what was responded:)
and absorb was wrong word!! sorry. mushrooms respond to light or this thread wouldnt exist and we wouldnt use lighting. they 'pick up' or 'sense' light for whatever function and the part that 'senses' is not the caps, but the mycelium and side of fruit bodies. 
sorry i thought the whole premise of this thread was a debate about light intensity and i was putting forward an argument to say and show how mushrooms dont really get a high intensity of light from cfls the way most use them, and that colour is probably more important or we would not see the success we do with cfls and we would have all just stayed using a window.
I was just putting it out there mate... I'm chill, not having a dig.
I have seen some serious tests where intensity does play a big role in the results, but angle to a greater extent, too. Where fantastic results were achieved with 4500k lights at greater intensity than is required with 5500k lights. At some point the lumens do become pointless... that was one of the conclusions.
There's a lot to it. That's why we're talking about it.
ps: absorb wasn't your word in your post, just something bandied about from someone else.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21267903 - 02/13/15 07:57 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe light is not needed, especially a 12hr on/off cycle. Mushrooms would be happy with the flash from a cellphone camera once a day. Fae, humidity, and temp are the key ingredients to growing mushrooms, cubensis anyhow. The most healthiest mushrooms I've grown were without light besides an occasional camera flash and we quick turning on of the basement light to get something or toss some laundry in the washer. Here is the progress of a tub I grew in condition I just described
  
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mustangbob3
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sorry i stole your pic above just wanted show what you did  after the people expecting thin shrooms with pencil sharpner rubbers for caps. pics worth a thousand words!!
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PinPornProducer said: I believe light is not needed
I agree. We are talking about optimal though, I think?
Aren't we?
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Northerner]
#21268036 - 02/13/15 08:42 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think PPP's tubs are the exception. A ton of tests/research has already been done on lighting and people have been doing it for years. Sure mushrooms will grow in the dark without even being in fruiting conditions, they will grow on money, they will grow anywhere lol. For the majority though the best results are achieved with proper lighting.
Check this.
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elasticaltiger said: Interesting to me how the ones closer to the light opened their caps first.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Northerner]
#21268053 - 02/13/15 08:47 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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northener with the cfl chart i posted above do you see how most lumens are wasted and most who use cfls are probably only getting a small amount of lumens to reaching substrate surface- quite similar to shady conditions under bushes/trees/vegetation in the wild being lit by the sun 
EDIT: wowimflabbergasted- i wonder if the increase of light intensity was a signal the mushrooms and tells them they would have grown above the height of say grass in the wild and at a good height to open caps and release spores into now available air currents. just guessing but would love to know
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Yeah... that's why I use LED's
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Re: If light is so important [Re: mustangbob3]
#21268065 - 02/13/15 08:51 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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The chart you posted was from HPS light systems not CFLs. Also I'd have to look into it more, but I'm pretty sure unless you're talking about deep shade, the sun will outshine any bulb.
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wowimflabbergasted said: I think PPP's tubs are the exception. A ton of tests/research has already been done on lighting and people have been doing it for years. Sure mushrooms will grow in the dark without even being in fruiting conditions, they will grow on money, they will grow anywhere lol. For the majority though the best results are achieved with proper lighting.
Check this.
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Violet said:
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elasticaltiger said: Interesting to me how the ones closer to the light opened their caps first.
So then the ones with less light would have grown largest before tearing veil right?
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mustangbob3
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Re: If light is so important [Re: MrGiraffe]
#21268079 - 02/13/15 08:55 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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oops will dig out a cfl one lol the same holds true for cfls still just different figures as cfl do a worse job than hps as their wattage is lower but cfls have better spread of light when compared to the arc of hps.
EDIT; i think penetration of hps and cfl may be will be the same if wattage was the same
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Edited by mustangbob3 (02/13/15 09:18 AM)
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PinPornProducer said:
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wowimflabbergasted said: I think PPP's tubs are the exception. A ton of tests/research has already been done on lighting and people have been doing it for years. Sure mushrooms will grow in the dark without even being in fruiting conditions, they will grow on money, they will grow anywhere lol. For the majority though the best results are achieved with proper lighting.
Check this.
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Violet said:
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elasticaltiger said: Interesting to me how the ones closer to the light opened their caps first.
So then the ones with less light would have grown largest before tearing veil right?
Good question. It would appear that way.
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Re: If light is so important [Re: MrGiraffe]
#21268091 - 02/13/15 08:58 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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lightless ones searching for light, grow longer. Common trait. (theory)
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Re: If light is so important [Re: Northerner]
#21268098 - 02/13/15 09:00 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right but I wonder what the weight difference between them are.
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