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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23419043 - 07/07/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I think he was talking about my graft. :wink:

Just because I can, here are the other grafts I made, all several weeks old now:

They are two small tubercles with no visible areole grafted to Pereskiopis and the areole bearing tip of the split-tubercle grafted to Eriocereus jusbertii. Nothing happened so far to any of them.


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23419922 - 07/07/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

XD, I was replyng to Lsoares, "Sprouting in new growth" talkinga about the tubercle grafts


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #23432405 - 07/11/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the advicw Zed. Watering made these buds elongate. Soon,hopefully they will open.



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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23433944 - 07/12/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

De nada. :wink:


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: LSoares]
    #23435227 - 07/12/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There they go.


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Re: Astrophytum Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23436859 - 07/13/16 02:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Nice!


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Seeds [Re: LSoares]
    #23436940 - 07/13/16 04:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Two of my Astros producing seed at the moment.



A. myriostigma stacks of fruit bursting open all round the crown - trouble is they will mostly be hybrid.



Two fruits open on my A. myriostigma var. nudum var. quadricostata..  Again mostly hybrid, but it might be interesting to see if the sprouts have 4 or 5 ribs.


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A. capricorne [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23437365 - 07/13/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)



Astrophytum capricorne - cannot see the plant, but I love the red throats on these.


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Re: A. capricorne [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23437756 - 07/13/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Astrophytum capricorne - cannot see the plant, but I love the red throats on these.




:datass:


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Re: A. capricorne [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23452751 - 07/18/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Success! :excited: 2 seed pods.


Since the tubercules are so bendy, i bent them inwards and pollinated the heck out of them.


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Re: A. capricorne [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23454889 - 07/19/16 02:19 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

:kaneclap:


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Re: A. capricorne [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23454963 - 07/19/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Success! :excited: 2 seed pods.


Since the tubercules are so bendy, i bent them inwards and pollinated the heck out of them.




What did you pollinate them with??


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Re: A. capricorne [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23456145 - 07/19/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Success! :excited: 2 seed pods.


Since the tubercules are so bendy, i bent them inwards and pollinated the heck out of them.




What did you pollinate them with??




I just put the 2 flowers face to face and rubbed them together. Making sure the little thing in the middle of the flower was covered in pollen. The next day the flowers refused to open.

Anyone have an idea as to how long they take to mature? I got beat the ants to them.


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A. caput-medusae [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23456167 - 07/19/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

So you are hoping that they are self-fertile?  Well a significant minority of cacti are.

But I find reliable information on this is hard to find.  Lophophora williamsii certainly is - I know that from my own experience, and that one seems to be well known. 
So is Pelecyphora strobilifirmis - I know that from my own experience as well - but have yet to find anybody else at all confirm that.


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Re: A. caput-medusae [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23456232 - 07/19/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thw thing is that when i first got it i noticed it to be 2 plants grafted to the same stock.



Thats what i think. I couldnt really see any part of the tubercule. I assumed it was 2 plants. So one flower was on one side and the other on the other. I dont know if that made sense but i do know for sure those are seed pods. My myriostygma will often set seed if i mess with it a little but never fat like these.

I hope that made sense as this coffee im drinking is revving up my brain and thoights.


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Re: A. caput-medusae [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23456370 - 07/19/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)



Zed and Fly, please Scrutinize these pics.


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Re: A. caput-medusae [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23456463 - 07/19/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, ferrel, I see you could have two different grafts on the same stock. 
The typical hairy Astrophytum fruit can be empty, but fruits on my myriostigma and ornatum often have seeds - invariably hybrid on the odd occasions I have germinated them.

Last year I got 20 seeds from my A. caput-medusae - from just one fruit. I germinated some and have some tiny sprouts which I am about to introduce to daylight - hopefully I will soon know more about them.  Sadly Mama was a casualty last winter - I think I let her get dryer than she wanted.


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Re: A. caput-medusae [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23456487 - 07/19/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

20 seeds? :eek: hopefully i get a good amount too. Im gonna water her on friday. So the seeds mature. Thanks man. :awethumb:


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Re: A. caput-medusae [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23458295 - 07/20/16 02:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

There are indeed two main "bodies" there, but if they are two grafted seedlings, a single graft that pupped, a split tubercle that sprouted from both halves, or whatever else is anybody's guess. It may also happen that the fruit will bear no seeds or the seeds will be duds or something else: I once lived in a house with a big garden where I kept two different Cereus species; they would rarely overlap in flowering time, but in one particular year they did and set fruit. I collected the seeds from the fruits (a nasty job in itself) and duly sowed them, but then something odd happened: germination rate was amazing, but once the seedlings got to the point of showing the first true areole, they would refuse to grow and die off. Hundreds of them! Didn't get a single plant and eventually tossed the seeds, something in the particular genetic makeup of those two species made it impossible for their offspring to grow. Very weird.

Now, as you and Fly have noticed, it sometimes happens that even diehard self-sterile species are fooled into self-pollination, so it may have happened just that. Just be thankful and collect those seeds (and wrap the fruit in cotton when the it nears splitting if you can't be sure you'll get them before the ants. Last year I saw a swarm of argentine ants dismount and take away an entire fruit of Frailea asterioides - and mind you, the seeds were easily 4-5 times as big as any single ant! I had to collect them from beneath the pots on the staging).


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Re: A. caput-medusae [Re: LSoares]
    #23458333 - 07/20/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I hope thats not the case. I hope he who grafted thwm grafted 2 in hopes of having at least one of them stick.


Now wouldnt there be remnants of the tuburcule? I dont think it exactly dissappears. Ok If i add anymore to this it may make me sound like i want to be more itelligent than i really am.

Im going to hope for the best and thanks for the tip of putting cotton around the fruit. Sounds like a solid tip.


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