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OfflineSleepyE
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Re: [Re: SleepyE]
    #21261562 - 02/11/15 10:31 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

IQ tests state they don't take into account for creativity.

usually savants cant function in linear thought patterns and end up developing complex systems of understanding their world which transcends IQ in my opinion.

Creativity > IQ


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21261692 - 02/11/15 10:46 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Jesus Christ, that is some grade-A snake talk right there! I can not begin to express how wrong any of that is.
But I'll try anyway.

1. IQ does not equal a higher income. All right? All right. We all know this really intelligent co-worker who makes the same as you do, and a lot less then your idiot psycho manager, so fuck-a-doodle-doo!

2. Where on earth did they get these stats? As there has never been any evidence between IQ and average income, I am seriously wondering. Who did this, Fox News? The Daily Mail? De Telegraaf? Some other disgusting devil-worshipping news agency? Who knows.

3. Smoking pot lowers your tax bracket? Now that is some fine snake talk, no doubt about it. It is so devious that it works on multiple levels.
First it reinforces the idea they keep repeating that smoking weed=less income, but they phrase it in just the right way to make Mr. Hard-Ass-Rightwinger go: "Blahrgblahrg! Now dey be paying less taxes too? Filthy moochers!"

Astonishing. I don't want to read this crap ever again, and put LSD in the coffee at the office this was written.
Good going, YOUUUUU FUUUUUUCKS!




This post made me :rofl:




And as far as the weed = lower IQ scores or weed is for dumbass kids argument... see sig


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Re: [Re: SleepyE]
    #21261713 - 02/11/15 10:51 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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but if he took an IQ he'd score low i think. Most autistic savants do apparently.



Wtf?? Einstein did take an IQ test and it was ridiculously high, like 160+ when 130 is considered a very high and achieved by only the top 2% of the population. Apparently 160+ is at the lower end of genius level IQs. Some people have scored 180+.

You need to find an undisputed genius with a documented low IQ to prove your point. I think that'll be hard, especially as people won't boast about having a low IQ.

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Re: [Re: roquet]
    #21261803 - 02/11/15 11:22 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

There are people that developed formula's who were told they weren't goin to amount to shit in life due to low IQ scores.

i mean put simply the only thing I'm worrying about is getting in a car crash(i.e. bed ridden)

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    #21262260 - 02/12/15 03:23 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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SleepyE said:
but if he took an IQ he'd score low i think. Most autistic savants do apparently.



Wtf?? Einstein did take an IQ test and it was ridiculously high, like 160+ when 130 is considered a very high and achieved by only the top 2% of the population. Apparently 160+ is at the lower end of genius level IQs. Some people have scored 180+.

You need to find an undisputed genius with a documented low IQ to prove your point. I think that'll be hard, especially as people won't boast about having a low IQ.



aha yeah probably wouldnt be anything to brag about aha :smile:


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: SleepyE]
    #21263949 - 02/12/15 01:47 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Well seeing as how this study was started while Ford was in office (who was part of the Nixon administration) it is not surprising.

Besides? how could you ever tell what a persons IQ would have been if they never smoked pot if they always smoked pot? And if this is an average then their bit about following a person for 38 years is bullshit, and it is open to cherry picking subjects.


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: musiclover420]
    #21267191 - 02/13/15 12:36 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Got three sentences in....bullshit! ! !

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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: 420_shroomer]
    #21267202 - 02/13/15 12:38 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Goverment hackers "smoke pot"

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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: vladtepes]
    #21267565 - 02/13/15 04:35 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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vladtepes said:
how could you ever tell what a persons IQ would have been if they never smoked pot if they always smoked pot?



It sounds like they tested them before and after they started smoking weed. The article says:

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The longitudinal research provided a baseline IQ score for all subjects, which revealed changes in IQ scores as they picked up new habits, such as smoking pot.



I assume IQ scores for children change as they get older but if, for example, a 10 year old scores a certain number then you can predict what they should score at 15 years old. So if they score less than predicted, you could say their IQ has lowered.

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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: roquet]
    #21268493 - 02/13/15 11:01 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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They need to back off of trying to make up reasons that pot is bad, because this study is just as bad as the one that tries to say that pot enlarges your amygdala, when it is well-known that those persons with enlarged amygdalas have bipolar disorder.  I think the real truth with pot is that many pot heads are bipolar and just naturally gravitate towards weed/ can't be easily tricked into ignoring drugs because of the amygdala.  I think society can't stand the idea of being mentally 'ill' and this is the true reason that we don't allow altered consciousness.





Bingo! Lol they would rather blame their problems on weed. Altered consciousness typically doesn't match the social norms either so they stomp it out. Just like religious, sexual, and ethnic minorities. I have even had a discussion with a licensed drug therapist that agrees all drug related laws were created to target a specific minority to discourage their migration to the united states of racist, bible-thumping, fascists.

You have to take demographics into consideration too. More people from low-income areas smoke, they have less access to education, that doesn't mean smoking pot is going make you dumb.

But if you ask an irish cop that attends church...

Hell marihuana is from mexicans, its gotta make you dumb like those mexicans.

Crack is what makes poor people steal my stuff, it has nothing to do with opportunity, i have plenty!

When you take lsd and shrooms it makes you think crazy things, i dont do lsd or shrooms and i dont think crazy thoughts.

Its a bunch of racist B.S. :facepalm:


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: musiclover420]
    #21269582 - 02/13/15 03:59 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I agree the author is an ass but the important phrase here is "those who smoked pot heavily prior to age 18 ". Smoking pot, or using any other drug like alcohol or nicotine while your brain is still developing is going to have detrimental effects. This is why I didn't start using any mind-altering substances, including ADD medication, until I was 20. By then you're mostly developed and there isn't much growth that you can fuck up. But the author tries to make it seem like pot will lower anyone's IQ regardless of age...which just isn't true.


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