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Breath stops while tripping
    #21252718 - 02/10/15 10:29 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Hello there,

on my last trip, which was the 5th or so, i recognized that i stopped breathing for a while and i often had to remind myself to take in breath again. It was like my mind was so far away and so interested in what was happening that my body just forget about that breathing thing!
My Body always gets very relaxed while tripping, so i was guessing that maybe also the muscles for respiration where getting so relaxed that they just didnt move anymore.

I took 2.2 g of Psilocybe Cubensis. I was lying on the bed with eys closed and some Psytrance on my ears!  Over-all The Trip was challenging but still very nice, I just got a bit worried at one point that i will suffocate !

did anyone had that same experience of the breath just stopping? or an idea why that happens?

I know about people who are meditating and get into high states of concentration who are also reporting about the fear of suffocating coz they dont feel their own breath anymore!

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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: Nirodha]
    #21252724 - 02/10/15 10:30 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe you were just tripping and didn't notice that you were breathing? Some times a second feels. Minute


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21252749 - 02/10/15 10:38 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

My breathing always barely exists when I'm tripping, I used to freak out about it years ago, now I just enjoy my trip and my health is in perfect state.


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #21252796 - 02/10/15 10:52 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

the breath has a lot to do with our behavior. it changes when we are angry, when we are relaxed.... your still breathing during sleep too. so leaving the lungs without air for a moment or two while your on mushrooms isnt a huge deal. i sometimes do that unconsciously if im holding onto a feeling or sensation

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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #21252826 - 02/10/15 11:00 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Have forgotten to breath while listening to music even on small doses, but I only skip a few breaths, then I'm back to normal.  Has something to do with anxiety.  With higher doses, breathing can be totally depressed...
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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: Nirodha]
    #21252836 - 02/10/15 11:04 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Has something to do with anxiety.




I think so too.

I usually only notice my breathing, or lack thereof, when I catch myself thinking about something intensely.


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: The Lizard King]
    #21252925 - 02/10/15 11:25 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

uh if you don't breathe you die. You don't need to remind yourself lol, you'll eventually notice


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: theBitterBuffalo00]
    #21252943 - 02/10/15 11:30 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Haha trust you were breathing it's just that sometimes people will notice their breathing and think they need to breathe manually.
It even happens when you're sober if you try breathing manually you're gonna think you can no longer breathe automatically but you can.
Just chill when that happens you'll be good.


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: aler]
    #21253179 - 02/10/15 12:39 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

thanks for ur input!

When i was on that trip and i noticed that the breath had stopped i tried to remember since how long it stopped, but of course it was not possible. Than thoughts came up like:" hmm is that dangerous? maybe i should try to breath intentionally, hmm wait im still not breathing, i should do something about it...." than my mind went on to something else and after a while it came back to the breathing issue: " ok im  not breathing again, since how long did that went on? ..." eventually i tried let go of that topic with more or less sucess and the trip was fine!  But im still worried that with higher doses (this time it was 2.2 g)  the breathing thing will become more intense.

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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: Nirodha]
    #21253252 - 02/10/15 12:55 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

sometimes on dxm it seems as if i were in a vast trance and did not need to breathe, then i take a conscious breath. on one trip i was convinced the cia was watching my breathing to make sure i breathed properly, breathing through my own body with technology lol.

there is a yogic state called nirvikalpa samadhi, it is total suspension of breathing for an indefinite period of time as the body is in such a state of relaxation that it does not need oxygen. one way to train that is 2 hours a day of alternate nostril breathing followed by practice *comfortably* holding the breath until the slightest bit of discomfort comes, then resuming breathing. this purifies our energy body completely to the level of kundalini waking up but it is a 2 hour a day commitment !

on LSD twice i felt that i had absolute peace and could choose whether to live or not, and at that moment i chose to live both times and took what felt like the first breath in a long w hile. I had read of some other people having this LSD moment too <3 

i would not worry about it, mushrooms of the psilocybic variety are probably quite benevolent and will look out for your body's health.


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: Nirodha]
    #21253261 - 02/10/15 12:57 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Haha man I just took 1.5mg of 25i now this post got me thinkin bout my breathin haha!
But don't worry about a higher dose if anything at a higher dose it'll become less noticable.


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: Nirodha]
    #21253829 - 02/10/15 03:22 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

When you think something is true (in regards to a bad thought) it turns into a hallucination with LSD in my honest opinion and experience. I was getting a job the other day, and when the person called me while peaking on potent cid, it turns out they didn't. Even when I looked at the recent call list I swear I saw his name on my caller ID. Turns out the next day no such thing happened, just had a visual memory of seeing his caller id in my phone and a negative thought triggered a hallucination.

Another example is I rubbed my hand on a piece of wood fence that was very splintery. I thought I must have hurt my hand, and when I lifted my hand, I saw the patterns in the wood grain on my hand in blood. When I would go outside in the cold on LSD, I feel normal until I start thinking about how cold it is. Then I start to freak out and freeze.

My guess is you had a crazy idea that made you think you weren't breathing, and the psychedelic make that thought a reality.


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: aler]
    #21253837 - 02/10/15 03:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I notice myself doing that every once in awhile too but I know I'm not going to die or anything. Just relax man and enjoy.


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21253897 - 02/10/15 03:41 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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When you think something is true (in regards to a bad thought) it turns into a hallucination with LSD in my honest opinion and experience. I was getting a job the other day, and when the person called me while peaking on potent cid, it turns out they didn't. Even when I looked at the recent call list I swear I saw his name on my caller ID. Turns out the next day no such thing happened, just had a visual memory of seeing his caller id in my phone and a negative thought triggered a hallucination.

Another example is I rubbed my hand on a piece of wood fence that was very splintery. I thought I must have hurt my hand, and when I lifted my hand, I saw the patterns in the wood grain on my hand in blood. When I would go outside in the cold on LSD, I feel normal until I start thinking about how cold it is. Then I start to freak out and freeze.

My guess is you had a crazy idea that made you think you weren't breathing, and the psychedelic make that thought a reality.


interesting lsd has not been like that for me except i was talking to a friend on the phone going for a walk, it was a new apartment like my first day in it or something, i noticed while talking to him my mind had a long tangent of thoughts that would hypnotize me into thinking i was lost, and at a certain saturation of thinking i didn't know where i was.

i sat down by a tree at a peak ego loss moment then decided i'd best find my way back home, which i did.

Then on HBWR one time i was tapping my foot against my desk and thought someone was tapping my window, which was not possible since it was a third story apartment, i lay in bed frightened for a long while and had to listen to some good tunes to calm me down before i realized it was an auditory "hallucination" me hearing my foot tapping on loop.


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: gamesguru]
    #21255281 - 02/10/15 07:51 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Have forgotten to breath while listening to music even on small doses, but I only skip a few breaths, then I'm back to normal.  Has something to do with anxiety.  With higher doses, breathing can be totally depressed...
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On July 29, 1972 four women and four men ranging in age from 19 to 39 years were admitted to the emergency room at San Francisco General Hospital for drug overdose. Following a dinner party, they had "snorted" (inhaled through a straw placed in one nostril) a small amount of cocaine and a quantity of white powder believed to be cocaine. All eight were reported to have snorted at least two "lines" (rows of powder measuring approximately 3 x 4 x 30 mm) of the second substance. Within 5 min they experienced anxiety, restlessness, generalized parasthesias and muscle discomfort, vomiting, and physical collapse. Ten minutes later they were admitted to the emergency room in varying degrees of intoxication (Table 1 and Appendix). Five were comatose when first seen and most were extremely hyperactive with severe visual and auditory hallucinations at some point during their course. Three required endotracheal intubation. and ASSISTED VENTILATION and three aspirated vomitus. All had sinus tachyeardia, widely dilated and fixed pupils, emesis, flushing, and sweating. Fever developed in four and diarrhea in two. Transient hypertension was present in three patients and no patient had convulsions. All had coagulopathy as manifested by the inability to form firm clots and absence of clot retraction in the blood specimen tubes. Seven had guaiac-positive vomitus and four showed evidence of mild generalized bleeding (microscopic hematuria in two, gross hematuria in two, oozing at venipuncture sites in three and small amounts of blood in the vomitus or stool in four patients). Laboratory data showed normal or negative values (see Appendix) for the following: blood glucose and serum sodium, potassium, and bicarbonate levels, hemoglobin (13.0 to 16.4 gm/dl), platelet Count (186,000 to 458,000/pl), prothrombin time (11.0 to 12.5 sec) and partial thromboplastin time (19.3 to 38.7 see), chest roentgenograms, and electrocardiograms. Results of liver and renal function tests were within normal limits in the three patients studied. Direct examination of the blood clots and results of clot retraction tests on several patients showed friable clots that fell apart easily without dissection, and absence of clot retraction (Fig. 1). Supportive care included RESPIRATORY ASSISTANCE, use of hypothermic blankets, and administration of antibiotics and corticosteroids when indicated. Bleeding was mild and disappeared within 4 to 6 hr. Blood transfusions were unnecessary and all patients recovered completely within 12 hr. All were discharged or left the hospital within 48 hr of admission. No residua were observed in a year of direct follow-up of five patients.








I am not sure what the point of your quote is...

First of all, it sounds like these patients ingested something other than pure coke.  Second, all patients get intubated if they cant keep their air uncompromised.  The article states that they were vomiting, which is good enough reason to insert an oral airway if they cant keep it clear themselves.


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: Nirodha]
    #21255296 - 02/10/15 07:53 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Hello there,

on my last trip, which was the 5th or so, i recognized that i stopped breathing for a while and i often had to remind myself to take in breath again. It was like my mind was so far away and so interested in what was happening that my body just forget about that breathing thing!
My Body always gets very relaxed while tripping, so i was guessing that maybe also the muscles for respiration where getting so relaxed that they just didnt move anymore.

I took 2.2 g of Psilocybe Cubensis. I was lying on the bed with eys closed and some Psytrance on my ears!  Over-all The Trip was challenging but still very nice, I just got a bit worried at one point that i will suffocate !

did anyone had that same experience of the breath just stopping? or an idea why that happens?

I know about people who are meditating and get into high states of concentration who are also reporting about the fear of suffocating coz they dont feel their own breath anymore!





I have gone through the same exact trance like meditation as you.  The only difference is that I never thought about my breathing.  Only during a couple of bad trips have I ever thought I could not breathe.


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: Natures medicine]
    #21255364 - 02/10/15 08:04 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I am not sure what the point of your quote is...

First of all, it sounds like these patients ingested something other than pure coke.  Second, all patients get intubated if they cant keep their air uncompromised.  The article states that they were vomiting, which is good enough reason to insert an oral airway if they cant keep it clear themselves.


The unknown powder was lysergic tartrate: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1129381/.

It also says they were comatose, so maybe they really needed respiratory support.

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    #21255408 - 02/10/15 08:11 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Natures medicine said:
I am not sure what the point of your quote is...

First of all, it sounds like these patients ingested something other than pure coke.  Second, all patients get intubated if they cant keep their air uncompromised.  The article states that they were vomiting, which is good enough reason to insert an oral airway if they cant keep it clear themselves.


The unknown powder was lysergic tartrate: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1129381/.

It also says they were comatose, so maybe they really needed respiratory support.




Interesting... The 7000ug dose is close the the supposed lethal dose of LSD.  Comatose does require some kind of respiratory support most of the time.  I think that if you are take the LD50 of any substance, you should be safe.


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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: Nirodha]
    #21255919 - 02/10/15 09:44 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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thanks for ur input!

When i was on that trip and i noticed that the breath had stopped i tried to remember since how long it stopped, but of course it was not possible. Than thoughts came up like:" hmm is that dangerous? maybe i should try to breath intentionally, hmm wait im still not breathing, i should do something about it...." than my mind went on to something else and after a while it came back to the breathing issue: " ok im  not breathing again, since how long did that went on? ..." eventually i tried let go of that topic with more or less sucess and the trip was fine!  But im still worried that with higher doses (this time it was 2.2 g)  the breathing thing will become more intense.







My honest opinion, you're thinking about it too much ....maybe some underlying anxiety :shrug: .


Psychedelics will not cause respiratory depression and potentially stop one's breathe like opiates or benzo's can. Unless perhaps one takes a dose at & beyond the LD50, psychedelics are not going to cause one to stop breathing.....the body will do its thing.


Most of the time I'm not thinking about my breathe, it may very well become somewhat shallow at times when I'm really relaxed but breathing is something so far and distant from where I am that I let my body take care of that. There are points during trips that I like to focus on my breathe and my "physical self" for a while...and if things get a bit hectic, focusing and following my breathe is always something to come back to.



With higher doses, upon the so called "ego death", or when people start to lose touch over themselves and the who/what/when/where/why of what's happening....when that happens, sometimes people flip their shit because they feel like they're dying, then in a psychosomatic manner start feeling like they can't breathe (or feel like they have stopped breathing all together), then the feeling that they can't breathe reinforces the thought that they're going to die (or have died) and it all spirals out of control from there....I've read a handful of posts, trip reports, and various stories over the years where ^that^ plays out.



Read up on how safe mushrooms are, I have yet to hear a story about any of the classic psychedelics stopping one's breathe (when taken below the LD50, and not some absurd amount)....go with the flow, let the experience engulf you even if your feel/think you're dying, let it happen and don't flip out :shrug: :lol: .








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Re: Breath stops while tripping [Re: Nirodha]
    #21256066 - 02/10/15 10:08 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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thanks for ur input!

When i was on that trip and i noticed that the breath had stopped i tried to remember since how long it stopped, but of course it was not possible. Than thoughts came up like:" hmm is that dangerous? maybe i should try to breath intentionally, hmm wait im still not breathing, i should do something about it...." than my mind went on to something else and after a while it came back to the breathing issue: " ok im  not breathing again, since how long did that went on? ..." eventually i tried let go of that topic with more or less sucess and the trip was fine!  But im still worried that with higher doses (this time it was 2.2 g)  the breathing thing will become more intense.




Yup, this happened to me last trip as well!  This is a very normal experience and happens to a lot of people.  I was on 3 grams of PE, which is equivalent to 6 grams reg cubes when my suffocation feeling happened... it was pretty intense at the peak but your body will always remember to breath, so ignore this and learn from your last experience that this was nothing to worry about.  As long as you are just taking mushrooms and not mixing anything like opiates or speed! (those could be a problem in themselves), then you will be fine.  Remember, time slows down a lot when you are tripping.. so it will seem like your breath is also not coming as regularly because time is warped... also if you are anxious or off alittle then this might trigger it too.  Best thing to do before tripping is to go run on a treadmill and wear yourself out ragged, build up some endorphins from the workout so you feel good and relaxed after, take a hot shower, then drink some fluids, have a light meal of good nutritious foods, munch and let go of all your worries... The most important part for me is letting go completely and freely!

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