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"Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ"
    #21253511 - 02/10/15 02:08 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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"Marijuana smokers have long been characterized as dimwitted and slow. They tend to shrug off these stereotypes as artifacts of how they are when they’re on the drug. If you’ve ever had the misfortune of enduring a pot smoker who takes you through the “beneficial” effects of marijuana on the brain, then you’ve likely wondered if the stereotype is true. As it turns out, it is.

A study more than thirty years in the making found that smoking marijuana permanently lowers intelligence, or IQ.  Frequent pot smokers (even those who had given up marijuana) tended to have deficits in memory, concentration, and overall IQ. The reduction in IQ for those who smoked pot heavily prior to age 18 was most pronounced: an average of eight points. An eight point reduction in IQ is enough to have a significant, negative impact upon your life. To put it into context, consider that individuals with an IQ of 110 have an average net worth of $71,000 and individuals with an IQ of 120 have an average net worth of $128,000. It looks like smoking pot can lower your tax bracket.

What’s significant about this research is that it was a longitudinal study: researchers followed and tested subjects from birth through to age 38, noting when and how frequently they picked up habits like drug use. Previous studies scrutinized marijuana use at a single point in time, which failed to eliminate the possibility that people with lower IQs are more likely to smoke pot. The longitudinal research provided a baseline IQ score for all subjects, which revealed changes in IQ scores as they picked up new habits, such as smoking pot.

By following subjects for decades, the researchers were able to measure the lasting effects of adolescent marijuana use (even after subjects gave up smoking pot). These effects last because the teenage brain is still developing at a rapid pace; myriad new pathways for thinking are formed during this period while others are weeded out. When teenagers expose their brains to a damaging substance like marijuana, the effects aren’t just drastic…they’re permanently etched into the brain. Indeed, the reduction in IQ from smoking marijuana regularly was much greater for those who started smoking as teenagers than those who started in adulthood.

While the study didn’t measure the effects of marijuana upon teenagers’ emotional intelligence, it’s likely they are dire. Emotional intelligence (EQ) in teenagers lags behind their cognitive development. This explains why teenagers are so impulsive, emotional, and prone to risky behavior. Since teenagers’ EQ develops much later than their IQ, this area of the brain is even more susceptible to the negative influences of marijuana."

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I hate the way they worded this article so much, such a piece of shit. The part where the author tries to insinuate that a 10 point IQ difference will make a 60,000$ salary difference... So much

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I can't take much more articles like this, I may just stop reading news entirely. Or Start writing all the authors so I can point out all the bias BS in their "articles", if you can call them that.

I am not arguing smoking pot doesn't lower the IQ, that doesn't necessarily surprise me at all. But I think summing up intelligence to someones IQ is incredibly narrow minded and stupid though, as clearly everyone learns differently and handles different information better. Plus how you are using cannabis makes a huge difference too, I wouldn't be surprised if smoking it was what caused many of the negative effects. Or just "abuse" and or regular use. Anyways just thought I would share this steaming pile of propaganda and see what others thought.


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: musiclover420]
    #21253544 - 02/10/15 02:16 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yea IQ tests are bullshit. People can be smart in a myriad of ways. Whether it's musically. Or better with their hands and all that. There seems to be a lot of scholarly articles arguing the opposite. I agree there is a memory problem but as for feeling dumber no I do not feel dumber from using weed. Articles that use IQ as a basis for intelligence are already biased.the tests are made by western culture. I heard something in class in a study that Australians are all considered mentally retarded by the IQ tests standards but we know this is not true.

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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: musiclover420]
    #21253551 - 02/10/15 02:18 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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To put it into context, consider that individuals with an IQ of 110 have an average net worth of $71,000 and individuals with an IQ of 120 have an average net worth of $128,000. It looks like smoking pot can lower your tax bracket.




Jesus Christ, that is some grade-A snake talk right there! I can not begin to express how wrong any of that is.
But I'll try anyway.

1. IQ does not equal a higher income. All right? All right. We all know this really intelligent co-worker who makes the same as you do, and a lot less then your idiot psycho manager, so fuck-a-doodle-doo!

2. Where on earth did they get these stats? As there has never been any evidence between IQ and average income, I am seriously wondering. Who did this, Fox News? The Daily Mail? De Telegraaf? Some other disgusting devil-worshipping news agency? Who knows.

3. Smoking pot lowers your tax bracket? Now that is some fine snake talk, no doubt about it. It is so devious that it works on multiple levels.
First it reinforces the idea they keep repeating that smoking weed=less income, but they phrase it in just the right way to make Mr. Hard-Ass-Rightwinger go: "Blahrgblahrg! Now dey be paying less taxes too? Filthy moochers!"

Astonishing. I don't want to read this crap ever again, and put LSD in the coffee at the office this was written.
Good going, YOUUUUU FUUUUUUCKS!


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #21253619 - 02/10/15 02:32 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I could not get past the first paragraph...

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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: tacodude] * 6
    #21253656 - 02/10/15 02:38 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I could not get past the first paragraph...




This is proof weed makes you retarded. If this guy didn't smoke pot, he would have been able to read it all.


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: Distorted Vision] * 2
    #21253678 - 02/10/15 02:44 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Albert Einstein — 'Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.'

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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: Faustoid] * 1
    #21253716 - 02/10/15 02:50 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

wait wait wait. They chose people as infants and let them get on drugs periodically during their lifetime simply so they could measure the negative effects of one of the myriad of substances potentially being put into their bodies? This sounds like a really fucked up study.

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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: Faustoid]
    #21253719 - 02/10/15 02:51 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Trying to correlate IQ with net worth? I hope nobody takes this shit seriously, considering IQ's are kind of bullshit to begin with :lol:


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: Eminence]
    #21253783 - 02/10/15 03:07 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Seeing as how cannabinoids promote neurogenesis and have so many beneficial reactions in the brain, I'm calling bullshit on that one.

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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: musiclover420] * 2
    #21253805 - 02/10/15 03:12 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

One study says one thing, another says another....


Lots of variables to make such claims IMO....it just depends on how one wants to construe, or make a story out of the results.



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Moderate Pot Use By Adolescents Doesn't Hurt IQ


A paper presented at the annual congress of the European College of Neuropsychopharmacology (ECNP) in Berlin says that moderate cannabis use by adolescents does not lead to educational or intellectual decline, but that heavy cannabis use is associated with slightly poorer exam results at age 16.

The results come from the Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children (ALSPAC, also known as "Children of the 90's") a long-term study that follows the health of children born in the Bristol area (UK) in 1991 and 1992. They analyzed data from 2,612 children who had their IQ tested at the age of 8, and again at the age of 15. These children's examination results were then factored in via the National Pupil Database. At the age of 15, each person in the study completed a survey on cannabis use.

Their method has some limitations: cannabis use was self-reported and the measure of IQ taken at age 15 was an abbreviated version of the standard Wechsler IQ test, among other things. 

The researchers used regression analysis to look at how cannabis use affected both intellectual and educational performance. A number of children could not be included in the final analyses (for example because they had experienced a head injury), leaving a total sample size of 2,235.




The researchers found two main points

-Cannabis use appeared to be associated with decreased intellectual performance. Cannabis use was, however, highly correlated with other risky behaviours such as alcohol, cigarette and other drug use. When the researchers took these other behaviours into account, they found there was no relationship between cannabis use and lower IQ at age 15.

-Heavier cannabis users (at least 50 times by age 15) however, did show marginally impaired educational abilities. These children tended to have poorer exam results (3% lower) on compulsory school exams taken at age 16, even after adjusting for childhood educational performance, as well as alcohol, cigarette and other drug use.




According to lead researcher, Claire Mokrysz (University College London), "Our findings suggest cannabis may not have a detrimental effect on cognition, once we account for other related factors- particularly cigarette and alcohol use. This may suggest that previous research findings showing poorer cognitive performance in cannabis users may have resulted from the lifestyle, behavior and personal history typically associated with cannabis use, rather than cannabis use itself.

"People often believe that using cannabis can be very damaging to intellectual ability in the long-term, but it is extremely difficult to separate the direct effects of cannabis from other potential explanations. Adolescent cannabis use often goes hand in hand with other drug use, such as alcohol and cigarette smoking, as well as other risky lifestyle choices. It's hard to know what causes what- do kids do badly at school because they are smoking weed, or do they smoke weed because they're doing badly? This study suggests it is not as simple as saying cannabis is the problem. 


Moderate Pot Use By Adolescents Doesn't Hurt IQ












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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: Distorted Vision] * 2
    #21253806 - 02/10/15 03:12 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #21253848 - 02/10/15 03:26 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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tacodude said:
I could not get past the first paragraph...




This is proof weed makes you retarded. If this guy didn't smoke pot, he would have been able to read it all.




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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21253905 - 02/10/15 03:43 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I love how they immedately tie it to much much money you need to make in life. if you didnt smoke pot you would have more money. give me a break.


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21253906 - 02/10/15 03:43 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

MIND OVER MATTER !!!!!

it seems this concept is very loosely defined in the medical community

they say the mind has a huge role in maintaining the health of the body but they really struggle to define what its limits are.

why do they say attitude is everything in recovery?

is there really such thing as an IQ?

or are you just lazy and your brain is reflecting that reality :shrug:


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Re: [Re: SleepyE]
    #21253916 - 02/10/15 03:47 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

if dopamine is responsible for our pattern recognition abilities and weed increases your dopamine levels i.e pattern recognition abilities(get it? CEV/OEV:lol:) wouldnt it by default make you quicker at making connections.?

isn't IQ testing all about your ability to problem solve and recognize patterns?


dopamine levels seems to be related to the fine line of being genius and just schizophrenic.

because there is such a thing as too much pattern recognition where it becomes nonsensical.

think John Nash,

Genius, but really screwy


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    #21253946 - 02/10/15 03:58 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

and carl sagan smoked weed and he was still a badass scientist :yesnod:


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: SleepyE]
    #21254220 - 02/10/15 04:58 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

They feed the people shit, and shit they shall receive right back....


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: ChaliceGuru]
    #21254308 - 02/10/15 05:14 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Even if pot did lower my IQ (which is a statistical load of bullshit), I feel much happier knowing that I will be happier than my generic human counterparts...


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: ChaliceGuru]
    #21254442 - 02/10/15 05:35 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I second that. I almost felt bad sharing this article, especially labeling it as "news" but I figured at the least people would get some laughs from it. I am amazed thy are still spewing out propaganda like this, seems like they will never give up trying to convince people it is bad. Hopeful no on is taking this crap seriously.


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Re: "Study Shows Smoking Pot Permanently Lowers IQ" [Re: musiclover420]
    #21255167 - 02/10/15 07:33 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I hate average reporters reporting on scientific papers, they never seem to understand how to properly assess them, taking interesting but non conclusive data and presenting it as fact.
From the paper itself,
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"The study’s results must be interpreted in the context of its limitations. First, although we were able to rule out a set of plausible alternative explanations for the association between persistent cannabis use and neuropsychological functioning, such as premorbid neuropsychological deficit and hard-drug and alcohol dependence among persistent cannabis users, our data cannot definitively attest to whether this association is causal. For example, there may be some unknown “third” variable that could account for the findings.




As others have said, IQ is a pretty shaky test of intelligence.

Not included in the puff piece of an article was the fact that only ~1000 patients were used and of those only ~100 were considered regular users and labeled regular users by self reporting and not direct study.  Of those studied the heaviest pot smokers (those with the average of an eight point drop) were a total of 38 people.  While the 'journalist' who wrote the article started talking about IQ of 110 and above it should be noted most studied had starting IQs of 100 or lower and around 200 of them had High School or less levels of education.

And as with all of these studies, guess who helped them fund it, NIDA and NIMH which as everyone should know by now requires you to pre-conclude your paper will have a negative lean towards drugs or they won't give you funding.  The opinions of scientists doing studies funded by NIDA should be immediately suspect and you should always view the data yourself.

What we can conclude from this paper is that persistent abuse of cannabis for 30 years correlates to a single digit drop in their ability to take an IQ test and that drop is stronger when abused in early teens compared to later life.

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