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InvisibleSwami
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Inciting with Words
    #2125074 - 11/20/03 02:42 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Mr. Mushrooms: Read Swami's posts carefully before you respond. He likes to incite people by playing with words.

I maintain that people incite themselves over another's words. If the words themselves had any power, they would affect most people in a similar manner in the way that being shot by a bullet would affect most people the same way. But they don't; so ALL power or lack thereof, is assigned BY THE READER.

If I say, "Today is Thursday," how can you take offence for it is factual?

If I say, "Today is Friday," how can you take offence for I am either lying or mistaken?

Easy enough?

If I say, "You are a fat slob," how can you take offence if it is factual and a condition that you created?

If I say, "You are a fat slob," how can you take offence if it is a lie, for it merely reflects on my character and has nothing to do with you?

More diffcult because the ego does not see the world as it is, only the way it wants to.

Yet, many here have NO CENTER and are easily tipped over by some black squiggles on their computer screen.

Hard to be advanced spiritually and essentially free from ego and yet be easily offended is it not?


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: Swami]
    #2125101 - 11/20/03 02:52 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

You do have the power of the argument and you do like to play with it.
Please be sincere with yourself :smirk:

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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: MAIA]
    #2125117 - 11/20/03 02:58 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

swami, swami, you're doing the exact thing mr mushrooms claims you do. See, you set yourself up behind this fortress of ideas that is easier to defend than attack and watch people run up on it and fall in the moat.

Basically what you're saying is that it's other people's problem because they get all huff and a puff and then because their minds are clouded with an emotional haze brought about by their unwillingness to accept the world as something other than they want it to be.. oh wait, it is their problem.


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2125155 - 11/20/03 03:13 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Thanks for reminding me. I DO need to clean the moat before the holidays if I want party guests. All those bloated bodies floating face down - and the stench *whew*.


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: Swami]
    #2125262 - 11/20/03 03:56 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Nah,

You like it, Swami. I have read your Reviews. Your known here as the Skeptic and Debunk Master. If that is your personality, so be it. You are you. I am I. We are as different as night and day.



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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: medicinebag]
    #2125285 - 11/20/03 04:14 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

What are we? We are individual people that come on here with our own perspective and knowledge and experiences. We all have some common interest. One topic is brought up and different personalities with different experiences (with some common experiences held by all, which keeps a specific focus, imagine talking about psychadelics with a Chinese politician) all contribute to flow the idea along.

I sincerely doubt that Swami comes here to just get off on playing with words to confuse and to just argue. It is just my impression, but I see him as being genuinely interested in what is discussed here and is exactly why he challenges, exactly why he will see an oppurtunity to unload the questioning and seize it with no relent.

No sense in having this place float into space. :grin:
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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2125351 - 11/20/03 04:56 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

FG, my man! Rumors of your retirement are premature, eh?


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2125352 - 11/20/03 04:56 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Just humor him ... and let Swami chase his windmills, and be content in his own illusion of superiority.

His ego games make things interesting sometimes, although it does get tiresome after a while.


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: guitarmon]
    #2125363 - 11/20/03 05:02 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Note to others: This is classically known as emotional residue. That is where you keep bringing forward old reactionary issues that color everything you say.

This thread was about the power of words and not about my personality. Can you add some of your insight into the topic at hand?



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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: medicinebag]
    #2125365 - 11/20/03 05:03 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Relevance?


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: Swami]
    #2125374 - 11/20/03 05:06 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Relevance?

What does that have to do with a thread?

No one likes it when someone argues pointless issues on their thread, huh.


Edited by medicinebag (11/20/03 05:08 PM)


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: Swami]
    #2125381 - 11/20/03 05:08 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

> I maintain that people incite themselves over another's words.

I hate to agree with you (just 'cause I hate to agree, not beacuse it is you), but I agree with you. What people hear is in the ear of the listener. Why are some words "bad"? If I tell somebody to fuck off, they get upset. If I tell them to uckfay offay, and they don't understand the language, then they go calmly on their way.


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: Swami]
    #2125411 - 11/20/03 05:21 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
FG, my man! Rumors of your retirement are premature, eh? 




Well, on the record, I was under the influence of a psychadelic drug at the time. I was thinking in ideals at the time. I was all like "really need to play more bass, craft more songs, full focus, also get into shape and learn Norwegian with drive".. and then a day or two later, when my wrist was aching enough to not be able to play, I was already all worked out, and learning Norwegian didn't appeal to me at the time, so there wasn't much left to do. hehe

So I started reading more posts, and I did not like the flow of them AT ALL without my words to move things along. It is like making tacos without the taco seasoning or something. :grin:

I find it humourus when people accuse Swami of playing ego games, of feeling superior. All that is, is an assumption. I myself find it extremely hard to pick up on someone's actual thoughts and intentions from only reading words in a forum. Over time, after reading what they decided to post in a variety of topics, I start to pick up some understanding as to the person that they are. However, I have to make the assumption that all of their words were typed as a true representation of what that person thought at the time.

Myself, I don't watch a movie and start making assumptions of who the actor really is based on how he moves and by what he says. I think con artists have really honed their acting skills as well. :grin:
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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2125455 - 11/20/03 05:40 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

> So I started reading more posts, and I did not like the flow of them AT ALL without my words to move things along.

*laugh*  Good to have you back.  :smile:


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: Seuss]
    #2125465 - 11/20/03 05:42 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

You gotta love a healthy ego.


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2125476 - 11/20/03 05:47 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

FG: Over time, after reading what they decided to post in a variety of topics, I start to pick up some understanding as to the person that they are.

Exactly.

FG: However, I have to make the assumption that all of their words were typed as a true representation of what that person thought at the time.

It's hard to bullshit that consistently... hell, I can't even do it. :wink: 


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: Swami]
    #2125477 - 11/20/03 05:47 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Far, far too often in this world problems arise from a misunderstanding of words.

So, Swami, with the understanding that you seem to have for language you must know something of how language effects the receiver. That being the case, you should know the effect your language will have upon its receiver(s). However, I do agree and understand that one cannot truely be held accountable for the way in which one's language is received - as the eventual meaning of the language is entirely up to the receiver.

This begs the question (to me, at least): why, then, do you organize your language the way you do? If it is unintentional (which, I must say, I doubt) it shows a basic lack of understanding for the language you are using. If intentional...well there's plenty of reasons there.

Instead of attempting to speculate on reasons I'll give my reasons for my intention (and yes, my language is very intentional).

As I said earlier, far too many problems arise from unintended meanings in language.

So I prefer to tailor, wherever possible, my language to the receiver(s). This gives a much higher and more detailed level of controlling the meaning created by the receiver. Being able to get my point accross unchanged at least 99% of the time has always been a strong goal of mine.

Why? Because why would I want to be misunderstood? If I am going to go through all the trouble of translating and organizing some of my thoughts into a verbal/written language I like to be damn sure that all my work doesn't go to waste.

I do not spend my days deep in thought to have someone misunderstand what I learn. That would be a waste of time :smirk: 


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: trendal]
    #2125490 - 11/20/03 05:51 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

Ah, trendal... apply what you just posted to math and science and put it in the FAQ as to why science isn't stupid.  :thumbup:  (of course, I would expect nothing less from you...)


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: trendal]
    #2125499 - 11/20/03 05:54 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

I do not spend my days deep in thought to have someone misunderstand what I learn. That would be a waste of time

What are you trying to say?


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Re: Inciting with Words [Re: Swami]
    #2125508 - 11/20/03 05:56 PM (13 years, 24 days ago)

It doesn't matter what I'm trying to say, it matters what you think I'm saying :wink:


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Driving you mad.


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