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Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction?
    #21248837 - 02/09/15 02:41 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

My babies are pushin out some beautiful huge mushrooms, but they are growing in strange and seemingly counterproductive directions.  One of them is sprawling out along the perlite and another is a fat bulbous nub.  A third is driving its cap right into another shroom's stem. Is it possible to influence them to grow in a direction more favorable to well-formed mushies? or should i just take em as they are?
the ground shroom

the ingrown shrooms


The better looking, but still sideways growing shrooms


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: ShulginsLostSon]
    #21248894 - 02/09/15 02:51 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Are you misting/fanning? How often? Do you run a 6500k light on a 12/12 schedule? 3rd and 4th cakes look like they're bruising blue pretty bad, think that happens when they are too dry...


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: saintburger]
    #21248918 - 02/09/15 02:55 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, that blue myc indicates overdryness.  So does the splitting stem...


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21249267 - 02/09/15 04:07 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yea I am fanning several times per day and misting.  I lightened up on the misting because people seemed to say evaporation off of the cake is a trigger for mushroom growth.  My FC always stay 90-97% RH, more toward 90 during the day and toward 97% at night.  Im running a 5000k light on a 12/12 cycle that seems to be working since the mushrooms are fat, is the 6500k a major difference? My light is coming in from the side of the chamber since I have a translucent container with a solid-colored lid.  I'm considering trying to find a clear lid so I can have the light coming in from the top.


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: ShulginsLostSon]
    #21249305 - 02/09/15 04:16 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

First flush how lone did you dunk for


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: ShulginsLostSon]
    #21249320 - 02/09/15 04:20 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah don't stop misting the cakes as far as I know. Those cakes look dry you may want to dunk them after you harvest, and keep up the misting/fanning... evaporation is a pin trigger, but the cake has to drink too.


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: saintburger]
    #21250007 - 02/09/15 06:32 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Alright i gave them a nice misting when I got home.  I read that it is best not to mist directly on cakes but spray the sides of the chamber so I had been doing that for a while.  Today I sprayed just above the cakes and let the mist fall down.  I dunked the cakes for 24 hours after birthing and this is their first flush.  I had another cake produce 2 but only two huge mushrooms on its first flush and it became very blue by the end.  I dunked for 20 hours and it is already putting out pins for its second flush.  I have also since found that these "mutant blobs" are a somewhat normal occurence and might just be a genetic mutation.

I'm still concerned as two why they aren't growing towards the lid but sprawling along the perlite.  Has anyone else experienced this?


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: ShulginsLostSon]
    #21250060 - 02/09/15 06:40 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Spray the cake directly.
They're on the perlite 'cause they can't hold themselves up, it's normal for long-skinny shrooms.

Cut your foil down so it surrounds your cake and only your cake, pic two is showing extreme signs of Oxygen deprivation and humidity. This means you're not getting enough Fresh Air Exchange.

Take a pic of where your SGFC is located.

Take out the hygrometer, it doesn't work and never will for our purposes.


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: taGyo]
    #21250197 - 02/09/15 07:03 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

updated pics after getting home



looks like the veils have broken on several so I'm going to pick them and possibly make a spore print from the good looking one.
This is my SGFC setup.  It is in my closet in a room with balcony access.  I live in San Diego so I just leave the door open during the day to maintain temperature and get fresh air flow into the room.  I am running an aquarium pump through the perlite, I have a fan on the shelf above the FC and on dry days I run that humidifier to keep the RH of my room up.  I have tried placing the fan on top of my FC to increase FAE but then the humidity drops too low.  Why doesn't the hygrometer work? Would analog be better? My roommate uses an analog hygrometer for his bud and they seem consistent in measurements.


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: ShulginsLostSon]
    #21250213 - 02/09/15 07:06 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Take it out of the closet. It's not getting proper airflow.

Get 5" of perlite in there.

A fan is the worst thing you can do for an SGFC. Fans are for monotubs and they're optional. Fans are forced air, not natural air currents, drying out your perlite and shrooms quickly and causing very low RH which is why you have mutants.

Analog is better because digital doesn't read correctly, especially not for an SGFC which is not really at 100% humidity 24/7. Because of the way air moves your SGFC is constantly fluctuating just like Cubensis likes. Stale air at 100% humidity doesn't evaporate water which is what the holes are for. Don't even use an analog, just trust your mushrooms.

Note I KNEW you were doing something wrong just by looking at your fruits and your cake and not your hygrometer.


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: ShulginsLostSon]
    #21250284 - 02/09/15 07:19 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for the advice.  I had them next to the window before but I experienced trich so I moved it to the closet, the trich probably didnt come from the window though.  This strain is interesting.  I got the syringe from a friend and it was only labelled "Rambo".  This was off the first flush of my first cake (done in the closet) and weighed 36g wet.  We ate it fresh and it was unbelievably potent.  The cake only produced one other small shroom on that flush.  Should I keep the fan on in another part of the room to get airflow through the room or is an open window enough? I'm also gonna try adding more damp perlite tonight and see if that boosts humidity, but humidity does not seem to be an issue as it's always super dank when I open to fan them, drops during fanning, and restores right after.
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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: ShulginsLostSon]
    #21250293 - 02/09/15 07:22 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Dank?

5" is recommended. You mean when you lift the top you can feel the humidity come off? That's good but your fruits tell me otherwise.

Remember to cut the foil down too.

As long as it has open space it will perform, in a closet you can try a fan but fans are really for montubs. Try it on low pointing somewhere away from the FC just to get air moving as you said but if you notice more bluing from some of those cakes I'd cut it.


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: taGyo]
    #21250405 - 02/09/15 07:40 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

The cakes took a while to colonize, and I'm still waiting for my last jar to produce primordia before putting it in the FC.  Is it possible my substrate was a too dry and the cakes are runnning out of water?  I did a 24 soak after birthing and rolled in dry verm casing which they happily conquered.


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: ShulginsLostSon]
    #21250423 - 02/09/15 07:44 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

If you followed the BRF formula no.

What are your temperatures?


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: taGyo]
    #21250499 - 02/09/15 07:56 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

fluctuates between 19-24 degrees celcius so 66-74 degrees F.  I was actually a noob and was in a hurry to get substrate once my friend gave me the spores so I got them off Midwest grow kits. Definitely going to prepare my own for the next round, but these ones have been pretty satisfactory.  I'm gonna try moving the whole setup back over near the window, I think the previous problem was that I had it on the floor without holes under the perlite (noooob mistake).  This has definitely been a 4 month learning process so far and I'm continuing to learn every day.


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: ShulginsLostSon]
    #21250508 - 02/09/15 07:57 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Those are pretty low,

Your colonization times are right on point for those temps.


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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: taGyo]
    #21251266 - 02/09/15 10:44 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Update- I sprayed the cakes directly with my mister like recommended and went back this evening to collect fruit and to my unpleasant surprise it has turned a dark purple gray color, whats up with that?



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Re: Strange mushroom growth. Can I nudge them in the right direction? [Re: ShulginsLostSon]
    #21251309 - 02/09/15 10:57 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

It continues to mist the cakes directly or else it gets the hose again

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