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Ok Violet, you're next * 1
    #21248965 - 02/09/15 03:04 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I'll document this a lot better, start a grow log etc.
Don't know if I'll mess with fert this go 'round, but went and ahead and picked it up, 18% nitrogen, 24% phosphate.

Containers are different, but they're pp5 and were on sale.
Plan on 4 brown rice and 4 rye grass.

Thanks again!

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
    #21248981 - 02/09/15 03:08 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Get jars, scrap the fertilizer. What tek are you trying to follow?

I'd get a bag of verm, a dozen 1/2 pint jars, and grind that brown rice into flour then follow the PF-Tek


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Bugler Boy] * 1
    #21249001 - 02/09/15 03:11 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Gonna try my best to follow Violets container tek (Vtek) to a t, just slightly different containers

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
    #21249032 - 02/09/15 03:15 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Never heard of that. Just skimmed it. Why not just do one mono instead of a bunch of little containers? Unless you have a GH you'll probably have to put them in a tub for fruiting anyway


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble] * 1
    #21249053 - 02/09/15 03:19 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

The basic theory behind the fertilizer is that in cow fields.. they piss everywhere. It's not just cow poo. The urine has ammonia in it... ammonium nitrate i believe. And if you look at the main ingredient that they derive the nitrogen from... it's urea... at least with miracle grow.

Hydrate the grains with the fertilizer mix... It's pasteurized basically to kill off a bunch of critters so that the thermophiles left (heat loving enzymes/bacteria) eat the fertilizer converting it into a form of nitrogen that the mushrooms can consume.

Kinda the same process that's used to make compost for portobellos.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21249920 - 02/09/15 06:19 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

a dome will turn any tray into a mono. :shrug:
Also allows you to test diff spawns isolates on a smaller scale before you commit to a larger bulk grow.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: X0cyris]
    #21250683 - 02/09/15 08:27 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Violet!!
Lord have mercy...bear with me on this rant.
When I first started reading all of the teks here, I read everything I could...I'm obsessive-compulsive so trust me, I left nothing to chance, I read and read and read...ad nauseam.
Your teks and information in general excited me and inspired me.
...enter today when I got a bug up my ass to finally try some Vtek, but not only Vtek, but throw in some fertilizer info.
Well...
Please do not take this personally, but you need a fucking editor.
Unless you are trying to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak, and trying to make it as difficult as possible for noobs to try your teks, which I get if that's the case, an initiation if you will.
I get your Philosophy behind what you do, I get your passion, I get you (I think), but the same diatribes that excited me to try your methods when I was chilling on my couch with A Nightmare on Elm Street on the television had me in a corner of lowes today, desperately searching my phone for info while sobbing like a child and getting elbowed away from the fertilizer section by a couple of granny's and soccer moms.
...anyway...I figured out what I needed to start your VTek, I'm doing 4 containers of fertilized rye grass and 4 of fertilized brown rice, they're soaking.
Deep breath

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: X0cyris]
    #21250749 - 02/09/15 08:40 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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a dome will turn any tray into a mono. :shrug:
Also allows you to test diff spawns isolates on a smaller scale before you commit to a larger bulk grow.




Not everyone needs monos.
They output a lot in one go. More than i could use in 2 years.
Which means I wouldn't need to grow anymore for a long time and i like to fuck around.
For me, this tek is for people who want personal stashes but at the same time advanced techniques. It's also scalable so it can be done in bulk.
I could do cakes, but this is way more fun and has a lot of different uses.
You learn more. All of it can be applied if you decide to go another route.

Show a noob how to do cakes. Then hand em everything for a bulk grow with no directions.

Show a noob these techniques and they can easily figure out traditional bulk methods quickly. I think for someone interested in mycology as a whole, this is a better starting point.

It's more of a complete grow system rather than a "tek"

The ferts are optional...expermental.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21250804 - 02/09/15 08:53 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21250825 - 02/09/15 08:57 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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The basic theory behind the fertilizer is that in cow fields.. they piss everywhere. It's not just cow poo. The urine has ammonia in it... ammonium nitrate i believe. And if you look at the main ingredient that they derive the nitrogen from... it's urea... at least with miracle grow.





First off, horse shit is what we want

second, they don't piss on their shit

third, we let the shit age for months before using it, long enough that any piss present is long gone

fourth, mushrooms are decomposers, you don't feed them the way you feed plants

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Fuzz-nutter]
    #21250859 - 02/09/15 09:04 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Fuzz-nutter] * 2
    #21250869 - 02/09/15 09:06 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

Mushroom_J said:
The basic theory behind the fertilizer is that in cow fields.. they piss everywhere. It's not just cow poo. The urine has ammonia in it... ammonium nitrate i believe. And if you look at the main ingredient that they derive the nitrogen from... it's urea... at least with miracle grow.





First off, horse shit is what we want

second, they don't piss on their shit

third, we let the shit age for months before using it, long enough that any piss present is long gone

fourth, mushrooms are decomposers, you don't feed them the way you feed plants




I'm talking about the natural habitat.
In nature they more often than not grow in cow pastures.
They piss all over the fields and shit everywhere too.
The patties don't need to age for months outdoors in nature.
Bacteria and other mold compost both the patties and the piss.
The mycelium will work it's way into the ground searching for water if it needs to. The generally fruit after a rain.
I'm well aware how cubes "eat"
That's why the ferts are bacterially treated to convert them and also infuse them into the grains... which the myc eats.

Ever wonder how and why mushrooms are being used in bio-remediation?
Why they can "eat" toxins and convert them into fruit body tissue?

I'm sorry these concepts are above you.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J] * 1
    #21250874 - 02/09/15 09:07 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Also from having worked in horse stables and out in horse pastures... they do piss on their shit. It's why fresh horse manure wreaks of ammonia :tongue:


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21250921 - 02/09/15 09:18 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Fuck an A
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
    #21250967 - 02/09/15 09:32 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Fuck an A
:wink:





Sometimes I do lol

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21250972 - 02/09/15 09:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm sorry these concepts are above you.



:gaystapo:


OP I'm interested to see them shrooms, I'm following

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Fuzz-nutter]
    #21251033 - 02/09/15 09:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Just skimmed some of violets teks and im impressed. I Will have to go back and read further:rockon:

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Fuzz-nutter]
    #21251035 - 02/09/15 09:46 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe a slight detour...I'll keep you posted

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Fuzz-nutter]
    #21251157 - 02/09/15 10:15 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Fuzz-nutter said:
Quote:

Mushroom_J said:
I'm sorry these concepts are above you.



:gaystapo:


OP I'm interested to see them shrooms, I'm following




Lol. I'm just being retarded. I don't mean to offend you. I know you can grow. I was going to make a joke about athletes foot being a pinning trigger from your shoe grow lol.

It's just a theory. It's the same reason we can add coffee to soak water.
Just in theory the ferts need to be treated with bacteria converting it to a useable form. Same concept. Just a different approach. That's all i'm arguing. I think the ferts being chemical is the problem with people not trying or thinking it can't work. Everything in this hobby is organic which i like. Bat shit is what i'm looking at to experiment with.

So just don't take what i say as if i'm pushing all this as fact and it does work. The whole idea comes from Anne Halonium. The cow pasture stuff is where her idea originates from. I was just repeating how the whole concept came about.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21251531 - 02/10/15 12:18 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Mushroom_J said:
Not everyone needs monos.
They output a lot in one go. More than i could use in 2 years.


For me, this tek is for people who want personal stashes but at the same time advanced techniques. It's also scalable so it can be done in bulk.
I could do cakes, but this is way more fun and has a lot of different uses.
You learn more. All of it can be applied if you decide to go another route.

Show a noob how to do cakes. Then hand em everything for a bulk grow with no directions.

Show a noob these techniques and they can easily figure out traditional bulk methods quickly. I think for someone interested in mycology as a whole, this is a better starting point.

It's more of a complete grow system rather than a "tek"

The ferts are optional...expermental.





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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21251670 - 02/10/15 01:26 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

You're welcome.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21259451 - 02/11/15 04:28 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Ok...it ended up being a bastardization of VTek and Muda's bottle tek, with the added fertilizer.
I had two half MS syringes left, one Mazatapec, one Mexi Albino.

I used both to noc some Pasty Plates, but I'm seeing zero growth on them, I used water, potato flakes, and a touch of sorghum molasses, no growth on 2 different batches, 5 days apart from each other...sucks on one hand because I was really excited to get my feet with agar, but on the other hand, I didn't grow contams with 10 containers, so I'm happy about my sterile tek that go 'round.

Soooo...with the remaining MS solution, I noc,d 4 of the small containers pictured and 1 small mini round per strain...5 total containers Mazatapec, 5 Mexi.

The 2 mini rounds are 100% rye grass seed soaked in mild fertilizer solution, 2 microwave heat treats, then pc'd, then inoculated, one Mazatapec, one Mexi, I'm hoping these do well specifically for master cultures to put to agar and/or g2g

The rectangular containers are prepped basically according to MudaFuka's bottle tek, however, for each container, I used fertilizer treated grains, basically 50/50 rye grass seed to brown rice...and 2/3 coir to 1/3 verm.
Ratio per container was 50% grains to 50% "substrate", give or take...these will be fruited in their containers if we get to that point, and bottom watered per Violet.

Anyway, that's where I stand at the moment...in addition to the afore mentioned, I have 2 qt jars of Mazatapec WBS ready to tub, and 2 qt jars of Mexi Albino ready to tub.
Tubs are mini monos, hopefully will get to that tomorrow.

Again, thanks for everything.

Edited by MBabble (02/11/15 04:35 PM)

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
    #21354267 - 03/02/15 10:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

following


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: smegzilla69]
    #21354288 - 03/02/15 10:35 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I think violet's stuff is badass for breeding purposes. Yield, not so much, but I've never seen a better method to test the gene pool and get clean prints.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: NumeroEno]
    #21354308 - 03/02/15 10:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I think violet's stuff is badass for breeding purposes. Yield, not so much, but I've never seen a better method to test the gene pool and get clean prints.




Also a decent way to get rid of the extra grain left over after a G2G, although I know Violet doesn't like that.  I liked V-tek because the casing and bottom watering make it able to be fruited in just about anything, but I agree that it doesn't scale as well as bulk.

I'm a bulk guy, through and through.  But I recommend everyone try everything that isn't stupid and risky and unsterile, and Violet's method is none of these.  It's sound and will produce mushrooms, period.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Psilicon]
    #21354314 - 03/02/15 10:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Exactly. When I start messing with selective breeding I'll probably be using violet's methods.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: NumeroEno]
    #21355827 - 03/03/15 10:58 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry I haven't replied back, I aborted this mission, had zero luck with colonization...did some research and the rye grass seed I used appears to be heavily chemically treated, no one has had luck with the brand.

I'm having luck with my monos, but will revisit this soon with organic seed and proper technique.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: NumeroEno]
    #21356084 - 03/03/15 12:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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I think violet's stuff is badass for breeding purposes. Yield, not so much, but I've never seen a better method to test the gene pool and get clean prints.




violet says good bulk cultures dont do good on her type of grows,
so using these methods to test your clone/isos meant for bulk grows might not be the best idea.

Rather look into a mini mono/shoe box/muda bottle grow for testing the genetics!

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21356257 - 03/03/15 12:45 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I wanna see what happens next

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: pyrojew666]
    #21356265 - 03/03/15 12:47 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: pyrojew666]
    #21356289 - 03/03/15 12:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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violet says good bulk cultures dont do good on her type of grows,
so using these methods to test your clone/isos meant for bulk grows might not be the best idea.





Violet does say that, but I think the major issue is actually the fact that bottom watering by her method is still insufficient moisture for a really large pinset from a good culture, and that's where bulk substrates win out for production.  IMO V-tek would work great for testing cultures, as long as you know what it looks like when a flush nopes out because of water problems.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21356322 - 03/03/15 01:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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:popcorn:






PLEASE post progress.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Psilicon]
    #21356327 - 03/03/15 01:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I remember solid members used to say cultures (or actual strains) grown on a certain substrate
doesnt necessarily do as well on another type of substrate.

and since ms is such a crapshoot, once you take a  well-performing clone from a ms grow to say straw,
it doesnt necessarily do as well on another sub f.ex. cvg.

But I do agree with you you gotta be a real vigilante nanny to keep moisture levels up to par by (bottom) watering grains!

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
    #21356329 - 03/03/15 01:04 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

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:popcorn:






PLEASE post progress.




I already did, as have a lot of us. all of the methods never caught on for some pretty obvious reasons. cus even when it does work you just have a cup of shrooms. A monotub would yield me a years worth of shrooms. I like to fuck around too. I just like to fuck around with things that work well all the time.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21356363 - 03/03/15 01:09 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)





out of the 6 I did. I got one "success" and the first picture is the next best performer.

here's a neglected PF cake on it's 3rd flush with no special care or attention


:shrug:

I've always gotten better results from cakes in comparison.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21356471 - 03/03/15 01:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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PLEASE post progress.




I already did, as have a lot of us. all of the methods never caught on for some pretty obvious reasons. cus even when it does work you just have a cup of shrooms. A monotub would yield me a years worth of shrooms. I like to fuck around too. I just like to fuck around with things that work well all the time.




I should have specified, I'm interested more on your opinion of adding fertilizer...that and adding Supercake to the sub are on my to do list of new things to try.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
    #21356502 - 03/03/15 01:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'd suggest picking a tek and following it to the T. Then when you have a grasp on cultivation experiment around. My 2 cents :smile:

I relate to reading every damn thread I could find, but honestly you learn the most just doing it. I know, cliche advice haha

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble] * 1
    #21356504 - 03/03/15 01:39 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I personally think the fertilizer hypothesis is complete bullshit. Founded on imagination, supported by 0 evidence, not even correlational anecdotes.

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    #21358858 - 03/03/15 11:11 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

*sigh*

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PLEASE post progress.



I already did, as have a lot of us.



Don't listen to him, he is lying.

"A lot" of "us", as it was said, certainly didn't post PROGRESS of all things.  2 people from his clique have posted a SINGLE first-try run of the technique
He didn't PROGRESS with the technique one bit before bashing it senseless.
I have seen the results of people that LEARN the tek and combine it with proper culture.  It's formidable.

Indeed, the technique hasn't grabbed on a lot *HERE* (keyword: HERE) for some "pretty obvious reasons" - if you take a look, it's obvious that the main reason is shit-talk from vendetta- and bias-laden haters.

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I personally think the fertilizer hypothesis is complete bullshit. Founded on imagination, supported by 0 evidence, not even correlational anecdotes.



You're still ignoring the evidence and anecdotes and opening your big mean mouth as if your opinion matters?
"I personally think" you of all people needs to stay away from these topics, like you have been told.

It's fairly known, outside of psilocybe cultivation apparently, that the urea content of manure (i.e. stable manure) is a major contributor to the nitrogen content, and a known contributor to the presence and activity of nitrobacter and nitrosomonas (i.e. pasteurization).  I read some about this while reading some about shaggy mane I think it was.


Nobody listen to Bodhisatta about these methods.  He has long since vocalized, self-admitted, a bias against me and my methods and a conviction to attack me and bring them down just because he doesn't like me.  He's been such a jerk and a troll about it that it's even noted on his ban-o-matic.  He is literally the LAST person to listen to about this - you couldn't take worse advice about it.  He doesn't care that you want to try this, he wants you to do what he wants you to do.



It's true that bottom-watering doesn't supply the moisture that would allow mycelium to expend the majority of grain nutrition as fruits in one flush.  I'll "concede" that.
When you have a strong culture that can make the most of the grain alone, however, using the bulk substrate doesn't increase your yield-per-grain in a noteworthy amount if at all.  It does however increase your expense, labor, energy expenditure, contam chance, total substrate mass, while reducing your division of substrate, and ease of disposal for most people, and more.

There are perceived advantages to various teks. For some people's situations, and preferences, some perceived advantages can become more important than others.  My perceived advantage is in getting my full yield with fewer contams and waste while doing less work by watering over 4-6 flushes instead of taking extra steps to do it in 2 flushes with a big waste pile to deal with.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21359672 - 03/04/15 06:58 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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When you have a strong culture that can make the most of the grain alone, however, using the bulk substrate doesn't increase your yield-per-grain in a noteworthy amount if at all.  It does however increase your expense, labor, energy expenditure, contam chance, total substrate mass, while reducing your division of substrate, and ease of disposal for most people, and more.




I don't agree at all, but nevertheless I think it's a cool method that's got real applications and that everyone should try. :thumbup:


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Psilicon]
    #21359726 - 03/04/15 07:21 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'm just giving my 2cents. I'm still waiting for someone other than violet to post some nice results. pastywhyte had the best results out of anyone other than violet who has tried

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19219682#19219682

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21359785 - 03/04/15 07:40 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm just giving my 2cents. I'm still waiting for someone other than violet to post some nice results. pastywhyte had the best results out of anyone other than violet who has tried





Nah, mine was better than Pasty's.  It was in the original V-tek post, but I think Violet got pissed at me and took it down. :lol:



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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Psilicon]
    #21359810 - 03/04/15 07:46 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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    #21359908 - 03/04/15 08:10 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Nice fruits!

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    #21359911 - 03/04/15 08:10 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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The basic theory behind the fertilizer is that in cow fields.. they piss everywhere. It's not just cow poo. The urine has ammonia in it... ammonium nitrate i believe. And if you look at the main ingredient that they derive the nitrogen from... it's urea... at least with miracle grow.





First off, horse shit is what we want

second, they don't piss on their shit

third, we let the shit age for months before using it, long enough that any piss present is long gone

fourth, mushrooms are decomposers, you don't feed them the way you feed plants





:whathesaid:

And may add..... you do NOT want ammonia! That is one of the reasons we utilize aged (leached & dried) manure. The aging process allows the ammonia to leach out and evaporate away. The ammonia content would surely throw the PH way off and burn everything up....:thumbup:

I've heard of people using cow shit, but horse & sheep manure work so well I wouldn't bother with cow shit. JMO


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21359914 - 03/04/15 08:12 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

cow shit is like "the" substrate for cubes.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21359994 - 03/04/15 08:38 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I wish poo was readily available here :frown:

Edit: I didn't realize how inexpensive cow dung is online.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21360021 - 03/04/15 08:47 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I think some of the vtek stuff has some merit . Particularly for testing cultures and such  and violet you seem like a genuine sweet person.So please simply take this as constructive criticism and not as a bash because it is sincerely not meant to bash you ....but your means of delivery sound like a shady infomercial. Just sounds like you're trying too hard and I personally (as is human nature )automatically assume that someone is bullshitting me ( and that is usually the case) when they use hard sales tactics.

The bottom line is ,the effort and materials that are used in "bulk" methods are really minimal considering the eventual rewards ,your tek doesn't hold a candle compared to bulk methods as far as real production goes. And no amount of clouding the matter with nonsense facts and statistics is going to change that...no one cares about spending an extra three dollars on grains...or spending an extra three bucks on coir when they are looking for bulk production.

You would be way better off ( and get way better response) if you "sold" your tek as what it is....a GREAT way to test cultures....a GREAT way for the home hobbiest to try a bunch of different genetics.

The folks who make Honda civics aren't trying to take over the truck market..." but look you can fit a bale if hay in the back seat!" They know that truck people drive trucks because they love trucks...they focus their energies on the crowd that drives cars...civics are great cars!!!! But they aren't trucks...ya dig?


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21360099 - 03/04/15 09:08 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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cow shit is like "the" substrate for cubes.




I know brother...:thumbup:

Hence people picking wild ones from pastures.

I assume the ammonia has either broken down to nitrogen or evaporated off when considering a dry cow pie...lol.

I was just referring more to the ease of use of h-poo and sheep-poo. Every county fairground and local horse stable usually has all the horse shit a person could want free for the taking.

Sorry for the confusion. I honestly believe that wet, ammonia laden manure was in itself, bad for use as a substrate until thoroughly leach and preferably sun dried (to dissipate the ammonia)...

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    #21360100 - 03/04/15 09:08 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

the 1 person you really cant trust when he's talking about the cased grains is violet.
less work, less contam prone etc etc is just whack!
bodhi knows what he's talking about, it isnt fair to say he's talking bad about violet
he's simply stating whats wrong with the tek and/or reasoning behind hit!

And there's a good reason why there arent many if any good pics of grows
like this by newbs
and there's tons of newbs with beautiful pristine brf cake grows!

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21360104 - 03/04/15 09:09 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

yes cpoo and hpoo and any other grass eating animal poo needs to be aged properly.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21360133 - 03/04/15 09:19 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

it's a lot more work to do the cased grain cups just because you want to keep a culture sterile all the way to fruiting and not "interrupt" the mycelium network.

if interrupting the mycelium network was so detrimental to performance I would think every single farm on the planet would be reconsidering the use of spawn.

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I'm not ashamed of having a 35-50% contam rate with bulk because it is proven to not have been my fault.




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nobody else here would seriously claim that I am a poor enough grower to not be able to spawn to bulk right, especially if they really knew how much I have grown and still do.  I have too many successful grows under my belt.  Likely more than you, even for all my struggles before I mastered vtek (if I even have mastered it yet, sometimes I think not)




If you need to do cups to keep your media sterile through to fruiting because you get a lackluster success with bulk then maybe that's what you have to do. I'm guessing it was an act of god since it wasn't the cultivators fault. I investigated myself and found no wrongdoing.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Psilicon] * 1
    #21360201 - 03/04/15 09:32 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm just giving my 2cents. I'm still waiting for someone other than violet to post some nice results. pastywhyte had the best results out of anyone other than violet who has tried





Nah, mine was better than Pasty's.  It was in the original V-tek post, but I think Violet got pissed at me and took it down. :lol:






No, I don't think I've seen that picture before.  It's a pretty good one.

I do think I had pictures by other growers in one of the tek posts, including one of yours, but changed some out in revisions somewhere along the way. Kinda recall the one I had of yours was fruiting in a converted aquarium or something?
I don't remember being pissed at you although I have been irked at you before, however even so that wouldn't make me take down a good picture.
In fact, I think I might even add that one.
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    #21360233 - 03/04/15 09:41 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The bigger reason you shouldn't is that it's MS, and you're pretty passionate about your clones.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet] * 1
    #21360235 - 03/04/15 09:41 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

as for testing cultures quickly.
make brf cake mix.
put about 1/2 pint into a quart or pint wide mouth
sterilize
let it cool down
inoculate
wait a week
fruit in-vitro

stays sterile the whole time too. but the turn around is way faster and they pin faster and the yields are the same


fruited in-vitro

little 3rd flush ape cubes

From start to finish about two weeks til you can harvest.

tell me again how making a vtek cup to test strains is easier way of testing cultures than a simple cake.

mind you these are never broken up or exposed to air either and you can get sterile or more clean spore prints/swabs doing this too.

best part about it is you still don't need a SGFC either just because their cakes doesn't mean you need a special fruiting chamber.

pint wide mouths containers are just as easy to harvest from or use like the pp5 cups. if you put cake mix into your test jars it sterilizes quicker and you skip grain prep which adds a day onto the time it takes to have everything ready to test your cultures.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #21360338 - 03/04/15 10:05 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Bod that's essentially like my vtek invitro but with a pf substrate and in glass.  Really it's not any easier.

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cow shit is like "the" substrate for cubes.



GRAIN is like "the" substrate for Cubie.
We can grow with only grain. Not so only manure. We effectively always grow with grain.
Cubensis is a grass lover; our grows pretty much prove that too. Manure is partially digested grass/grain mixture.  If you substitute a grow's manure for an equal dry weight of straw, do you think the straw would yield less?



For those of you on about ammonia being bad (well of course if you hydrate your substrate with it it will be, does that make it bad on a bio level? No) and about how urine is "aged out" before use...  (For starters, I challenge anyone to prove that cows somehow specifically avoid altogether urinating on the shit paddies that litter their fields)
I clearly have never claimed that adding animal piss to substrates would be a good idea. The natural bacterial flora of nitrobacter and nitrosomonas have converted useful materials in all natural elements (which includes urea) into forms that can bustle along the metabolic cycle, just another stage of nature's reallocation of resources.  Nature always has a way to convert wastes into forms usable for something else, and comes around full circle.
I have consistently agreed that mycelium cannot use the same/similar elements in fertilizer. I have always stated that we count on life's ability to process wastes into re-usable forms to increase the content potential of our substrates, like is done with stable manure for the betterment of fungi such as shaggy mane.

It's not hard to find connections between urea and mushrooms, especially where composting (using the natural bacterial bio conversion that occurs in nature including the pasture), with simple google searches.

Just 10 seconds doing one search and finding a first result...
From OSU: http://extension.oregonstate.edu/gardening/mushroom-compost-use-carefully
The recipe for mushroom compost varies from company to company, but can include composted wheat or rye straw, peat moss, used horse bedding straw, chicken manure, cottonseed or canola meal, grape crushings from wineries, soybean meal, potash, gypsum, urea, ammonium nitrate and lime.
"Each mushroom growing facility has its own recipe," explained John Stout, general manager of PictSweet Mushrooms in Salem. "It's very precise. The compost ingredients are weighed out, then mixed in."
At the PictSweet mushroom farm, huge piles of mushroom compost sit for about 30 days and do what compost does - heat up. The straw provides the structure and some food for bacteria, and the urea, cottonseed meal and chicken manure provide most of the nutrients.
The bacteria multiply, forcing the temperature inside the pile up to more than 160 degrees F, killing any weed seeds or pathogens that might have been present in the straw or animal wastes. The result is mushroom compost, ready to grow a crop of commercial table mushrooms.

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    #21360366 - 03/04/15 10:10 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Bod that's essentially like my vtek invitro but with a pf substrate and in glass.  Really it's not any easier.





yes it is that's why I test my cultures like that.

1. it takes less than 8 hours to actually get around to inoculation to test your culture
you make the cake mix load sterilize cool down and inoculate. boom less than 8 hours. grain prep you add at least a whole day, and besides grass seed is expensive. ferts if you use them support bad companies with bad practices, and the yields are the same as you get from grain cups anyway but it's easier and less finicky to get those yields since all you have to do is wait for the fruits to pop up harvest your first flush then hydrate the cake for the second flush.

no microwave, no PC(unless you want to PC your cakes), way less energy, less money, less time, less maintenance, less hassle, more results, faster turn around.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #21360401 - 03/04/15 10:18 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Any ease differences are far more minimal than you'd like to imply.  It's the difference between grinding grain and mixing it with wet verm, and simply boiling grain.

Besides. You'll never convince me that you can get 20+ grams from one of those. "Yields the same" is either a bold claim or a bold-faced lie.  I get 13-19 per container typically from grass seed, 15-26 from brown rice. And I believe more is possible.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21360415 - 03/04/15 10:21 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I've pulled more off of a modest test cake than all 6 of my v cups put together. sure that's just one example and my first run with the cups but it was enough to make me not look back on culture testing methods.

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    #21360457 - 03/04/15 10:29 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I would go into what that REALLY says about you, but we've been there enough times already.

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The bigger reason you shouldn't is that it's MS, and you're pretty passionate about your clones.



That I am.  Results with multi-spore vary even moreso with this method.  Until I found my best cultures by following my culture tech, it does so happen that my largest first-flush yield came from multispore PE6:

But past that, multi spore is unreliable and not worth expanding, especially when it comes to a method like this.  Multispore great grows are a bit of a fluke.

Your cake is especially good for being from spore variety then. Perhaps you can imagine then what a consistent boss culture could do, lining a tote with them and occasionally watering. My grows look little different than monotubs do when the canopies come in.


Some comments were made about cultures and my techniques relative to bulk ones.
Yes I have definitely said before that clone isolates I took from bulk grows, which did quite well on bulk grows, were shown to be far less awesome than I thought when used for my cases grain cakes.
This is why I think vtek can show a culture's true potential more easily. Fewer cultures may prove to excel in all circumstances when put to a grow condition like these.  Using vtek for culture tests puts them to a more grueling comparison.  The ones that make it thru the crucible after tests with my teks have proven themselves to be gems worth keeping.

Cultures from bulky grows didn't show to do well with the vtek-style methods, but the cultures I obtain with my culture tech do great with them - and prove to be incredibly badass on bulks as well!


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    #21360479 - 03/04/15 10:33 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes I have definitely said before that clone isolates I took from bulk grows, which did quite well on bulk grows, were shown to be far less awesome than I thought when used for my cases grain cakes.
This is why I think vtek can show a culture's true potential more easily. Fewer cultures may prove to excel in all circumstances when put to a grow condition like these.  Using vtek for culture tests puts them to a more grueling comparison.  The ones that make it thru the crucible after tests with my teks have proven themselves to be gems worth keeping.

Cultures from bulky grows didn't show to do well with the vtek-style methods, but the cultures I obtain with my culture tech do great with them - and prove to be incredibly badass on bulks as well!




I'd like to see this.  You were promising a side-by-side grow for a while.

What do you think are the reasons a culture would do well in bulk but not in V-tek?


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    #21360484 - 03/04/15 10:34 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I think the big advantage to v tek is the undestroyed colony. The big drawback is water supply.  For some its easy, for me it wasn't.  Pans did good for me with v tek, I would recommend it for anyone wanting a first crack at em. Mudas pans in v tek were fucking awesome. I gonna try my pan cambo clone in v tek here soon.

For the water guzzling cubes muda bottles have been really good to me. They can support a big pinset and still have the upside of extra fruiting energy. In tall pp5 they are really something.

People need to try everything they can and stop taking peoples word for it. Its all opinion at the end of the day anyway. I hope that if I came out with a new method, people would give it a try before forming an opinion.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21360492 - 03/04/15 10:36 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

70g wet about 7g dry first flush. fuck 7-10g first flush isn't out of the ordinary for a test cake doing really well.

try out test cakes in the plastic containers for culture selection some time.

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    #21360531 - 03/04/15 10:43 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'm only on my first few tubs, but adding urine was a success for me already, I'll be doing some side by side comparisons with small container grows, keep a journal and post findings as I have them.

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    #21360593 - 03/04/15 10:57 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

No 7g first flush isn't totally rare for other cakes.  But the flush curve for future flushes, and the total yield, Is.  Pf cakes have less of a limitation by water because they need less water total over time to deliver the lesser yield that is capable from the lesser nutrition.

Show me a half-pint cake that gets 10g dry first flush. For that matter, show me one that yields 14 or more total, much less a number of them consistently.  Frankly I doubt I'll see 12 common even under great conditions and culture.

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Yes I have definitely said before that clone isolates I took from bulk grows, which did quite well on bulk grows, were shown to be far less awesome than I thought when used for my cases grain cakes.
This is why I think vtek can show a culture's true potential more easily. Fewer cultures may prove to excel in all circumstances when put to a grow condition like these.  Using vtek for culture tests puts them to a more grueling comparison.  The ones that make it thru the crucible after tests with my teks have proven themselves to be gems worth keeping.

Cultures from bulky grows didn't show to do well with the vtek-style methods, but the cultures I obtain with my culture tech do great with them - and prove to be incredibly badass on bulks as well!




I'd like to see this.  You were promising a side-by-side grow for a while.

What do you think are the reasons a culture would do well in bulk but not in V-tek?



I don't remember promising a side-by-side, just a short grow log with grass seed which I did. I did grow both methods side-by-side while I still grew bulks and had my greenhouse up.  I am growing cubes less these days and getting into the swing of Shiitake and Kings.  I likely won't revisit Cubie outside of a few poms and invitro-vteks for personal sharing supply until Anne FINALLY (read: eventually) *sigh* starts showing poms 2-4.


Honestly I'm not really sure about that.  For all my discerning and observational ability, I haven't put my thumb in it for sure, but I do have some thoughs.

One little thought is that culture variety may be more or less picky/needy/finicky about fruiting from a low-/no-nutrient site. Bulk subs surround the nutritious grain with such a condition and may pretty much take that variable out of the equation.
I suppose that thought is hand-in-hand with how a culture might handle fruiting from extreme nutrient density, as my experiments have shown somewhat better multi-spore results with grass seed than with brown rice. (Am I right in guessing that your pictured cake is gs?)

My main thought about it is another culture variable that bulk subs mostly remove from perspective - water handling.
Briefly worded:  "Weaker" cultures in this regard may effectively yield little differently when they have 100% of the fruits' water on-hand from start to finish, but a truly aggressive fruiter may plunge into heavy fruiting regardless and allocate such resources on the fly as they may come.

I'm proposing that the qualities of a culture's prolific disposition may expand beyond what bulk substrates give the opportunity to indicate.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21361075 - 03/04/15 12:45 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Who needs mono's other than drug dealers or the easily impressed?
What reason would I need 2 lbs of fruits for a personal stash?
What about people that like to experiment or grow more than once a year?
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    #21361119 - 03/04/15 12:54 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

pf cakes :shrug:

No need for a big ass PC if you cant even give away a couple oz of fruits to friends...

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    #21361175 - 03/04/15 01:06 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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as for testing cultures quickly.
make brf cake mix.
put about 1/2 pint into a quart or pint wide mouth
sterilize
let it cool down
inoculate
wait a week
fruit in-vitro

stays sterile the whole time too. but the turn around is way faster and they pin faster and the yields are the same


fruited in-vitro

little 3rd flush ape cubes

From start to finish about two weeks til you can harvest.





This thread got intense...

Bod, how do you get enough FAE to fruit in-vitro with this method? Are you using a SFD and just loosening the lid? Wouldn't you need to case or bottom water?

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21361194 - 03/04/15 01:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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pf cakes :shrug:

No need for a big ass PC if you cant even give away a couple oz of fruits to friends...





PF cakes are a PITA doing them the RR video way IMO once you've figured out how to do some different styles of grow. I'd rather do muda bottles or vtek than PF cakes by far.

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    #21361237 - 03/04/15 01:20 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

if you dont want more than a couple grams why would you invest in a pc and a blender just for vtek/mudabottles?

cakes to coir in a mini/shoe box would suffice then IMO :shrug:

it would be like buying a gamer pc just to browse the shroomery..

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21361282 - 03/04/15 01:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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if you dont want more than a couple grams why would you invest in a pc and a blender just for vtek/mudabottles?

cakes to coir in a mini/shoe box would suffice then IMO :shrug:

it would be like buying a gamer pc just to browse the shroomery..




I actually do a lot of canning, pressure prepping beans and speed cooking of chickens for my meals :shrug:

It's either shrooms or bombs, eh? Guess it is rare these days to actually use a PC for what it was intended?

Also if you want to grow any edibles you are kinda out of luck sticking to the old PF tek, I mean it can be done but you are barely ever going to get a whole meal off them. As for actives, I only take like 0.25 grams at a time for my headaches but I still go through them since I take them daily or every couple of days for weeks at a time. Even so, growing a couple of grams doesn't go far when you want to trip with some friends. PF tek wouldn't be worth my time and honestly doesn't scratch the hobby itch very well for me personally. I like tinkering with my agar plates. It relaxes me. Now I clone grocery store shrooms all the time just for shits and giggles but I wouldn't if I didn't have a PC.

It's not just about whether you need to grow a lot of drugs or not, it's about whether you like the hobby enough to go beyond an intro tek like PF tek and geek out a bit for your own pleasure. You can't put a price on the things you enjoy. :thumbup:


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    #21361517 - 03/04/15 02:23 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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as for testing cultures quickly.
make brf cake mix.
put about 1/2 pint into a quart or pint wide mouth
sterilize
let it cool down
inoculate
wait a week
fruit in-vitro

stays sterile the whole time too. but the turn around is way faster and they pin faster and the yields are the same


fruited in-vitro

little 3rd flush ape cubes

From start to finish about two weeks til you can harvest.





This thread got intense...

Bod, how do you get enough FAE to fruit in-vitro with this method? Are you using a SFD and just loosening the lid? Wouldn't you need to case or bottom water?



surprisingly they fruit eventually with just the SFD lid on after reaching full colonization. after loading the PF mix I usuually sprinkle some straight verm on top. the cake sill colonizies if you throw a wedge in but it helps with getting fruiting from the top. for whatever reason cubes fruit well in-vitro even though it has a surprisingly low FAE

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    #21361528 - 03/04/15 02:25 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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if you dont want more than a couple grams why would you invest in a pc and a blender just for vtek/mudabottles?

cakes to coir in a mini/shoe box would suffice then IMO :shrug:

it would be like buying a gamer pc just to browse the shroomery..



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    #21361622 - 03/04/15 02:49 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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if you dont want more than a couple grams why would you invest in a pc and a blender just for vtek/mudabottles?

cakes to coir in a mini/shoe box would suffice then IMO :shrug:

it would be like buying a gamer pc just to browse the shroomery..




If you just want to grow to trip cakes would be fine. There's no reason to really even move to other techniques if you only want to trip.
For someone who likes mycology, and wants to learn/experiment... you need a PC... agar etc.

You guys seem to forget there's different people and different growers. every method has +/-. They're all worth learning.

If you live on the 4th floor of a 20 floor apartment building...
hauling 50 lbs of bird seed, a big bag of verm, shit tons of jars etc... It's kinda suspicious.

a bag of rice and pp5 cups would be more ideal in a circumstance like that. It's fun too and lends to small scale experimenting.

If you need lbs of shrooms... go with monos
if you have no interest in mycology and just want to trip... go with cakes
if you like to fuck around find a method that allows you to without being knee deep in fruits. I personally like Violets teks. It's a grow system. It allows me to do things the way I want.
It's not for everyone. It's more involved which is why I like it.

I started with cakes,then moved to monos... I find it boring.
I've had more fun doing agar in my SAB. The fun is just beginning.
Since Violet did some nice write ups, I now have some pretty cool methods to fuck around with.

Now that I've seen poms 1.0... Knowing what i can do with it...it'll take my growing to a new level.


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    #21361652 - 03/04/15 02:56 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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There's different people and different growers. every method has +/-. They're all worth learning.





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    #21361657 - 03/04/15 02:58 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Agar is by far my favorite part :smile:

I prefer mini-monos over doing cakes, but my only experience was using a large SGFC with cakes.

I do have leftover pf tek ingredients, so makes sense for me to do it the way bodhisatta recommends.

It's cool to learn different techniques though, but I'm one of the "loves mycology" folks :wink:

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    #21361660 - 03/04/15 02:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'd love to see some of your pics of these cased grains
or even better a pom grow that doesnt just look like a pinning pasty plate!

You'd need use more grains if you dont spawn them to bulk so I dont get your "bag of wbs" comment?

also most people dont have the time to babysit those cased grains which needs watering almost constantly.

but each to his own :shrug:

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    #21361823 - 03/04/15 03:34 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd love to see some of your pics of these cased grains
or even better a pom grow that doesnt just look like a pinning pasty plate!

You'd need use more grains if you dont spawn them to bulk so I dont get your "bag of wbs" comment?

also most people dont have the time to babysit those cased grains which needs watering almost constantly.

but each to his own :shrug:




When i have pics to share I will.



The wbs comment... no one except bird nerds need wbs on the 4th floor. When your neighbors see you hauling in 50 lb bags of wbs.. but never hear chirping, it's a little suspicious.

It would take all of 2 minutes to water 12 pp5 cups. Plus it's actually something to do... being involved in the grow instead of just... standing there.


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    #21361842 - 03/04/15 03:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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also most people dont have the time to babysit those cased grains which needs watering almost constantly.



Ignorant idiocy. You officially know nothing about this tek.  Known and established.


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    #21361901 - 03/04/15 03:49 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

"this tek" :rofl:

its cased grains. grains dont hold much water. grains must therefore be watered several times a day.

You make up BS about "this tek". Known and established.

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    #21361973 - 03/04/15 04:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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if you dont want more than a couple grams why would you invest in a pc and a blender just for vtek/mudabottles?

cakes to coir in a mini/shoe box would suffice then IMO :shrug:

it would be like buying a gamer pc just to browse the shroomery..




If you just want to grow to trip cakes would be fine. There's no reason to really even move to other techniques if you only want to trip.
For someone who likes mycology, and wants to learn/experiment... you need a PC... agar etc.

You guys seem to forget there's different people and different growers. every method has +/-. They're all worth learning.

If you live on the 4th floor of a 20 floor apartment building...
hauling 50 lbs of bird seed, a big bag of verm, shit tons of jars etc... It's kinda suspicious.

a bag of rice and pp5 cups would be more ideal in a circumstance like that. It's fun too and lends to small scale experimenting.

If you need lbs of shrooms... go with monos
if you have no interest in mycology and just want to trip... go with cakes
if you like to fuck around find a method that allows you to without being knee deep in fruits. I personally like Violets teks. It's a grow system. It allows me to do things the way I want.
It's not for everyone. It's more involved which is why I like it.

I started with cakes,then moved to monos... I find it boring.
I've had more fun doing agar in my SAB. The fun is just beginning.
Since Violet did some nice write ups, I now have some pretty cool methods to fuck around with.

Now that I've seen poms 1.0... Knowing what i can do with it...it'll take my growing to a new level.




I'm a little offended by some of these comments. I enjoy growing mushrooms with BRF cakes....I don't do it just to trip and it doesn't mean I love mycology any less than you.  Am I going to try other methods sure but I will probably always have some cakes going lol....I don't know I just don't like the hate against the cake!!!!

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    #21362145 - 03/04/15 04:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Oh yeah? What do I "make up", troll.

You're wrong, and apparently you're proud of it. I water my cakes no more than twice per flush which translates to about once per week.  In good fruiting conditions, I barely have to mist. In my GH I didn't have to mist at all.

You're a fool to place a blanket statement like that, especially a wrong one, which is only true for people who suck at providing half-decent conditions for their casing layers.


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    #21362167 - 03/04/15 04:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I understand you're defending yourself, and I still don't get why you take so much flack on this forum, but you're "feeding the trolls" when you jump into such a defensive stance.

Not calling anyone a troll and just offering my advice without it being asked for :crazy2:

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    #21362182 - 03/04/15 04:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Spacechildo, after almost 2 years trashing my tek, apparently still doesn't know anything about it. He clearly hasn't done it or he would have an idea of how ridiculously stupendously wrong he is. "Several times a day"?  He clearly is speaking from inexperience just to misinform people and cause conflict, which is just about the biggest crime here on the forum.


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    #21362197 - 03/04/15 04:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Just read your own comments in this very thread about it then. contam resistant, less work, just pick one or any :shrug:

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troll.




Well look who's talking :lol:



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opening your big mean mouth as if your opinion matters?
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He's been such a jerk and a troll about it  - you couldn't take worse advice about it.  He doesn't care that you want to try this, he wants you to do what he wants you to do.





look who's trolling. I'm discussing cult methods like the rest of us,
you are the only one attacking the people here and not being able to just discuss the case!

if your grains dont dry out you arent providing proper fae. as shown on your fruits.
Or maybe you think a GH setup is easier than a sgfc for noobs too? :rolleyes:

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    #21362289 - 03/04/15 05:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

When you talk down something you haven't done... for no real reason...
That's trolling. When you don't do the whole process, or skip steps and talk bad about it... that's also trolling, but more dishonest than anything.

No one has has done v-tek from start to finish as far as I've seen.
Not from spore. Not doing the culturing tek.
When someone takes the time to do it right and find a suitable culture for this grow method... when you do all that, then voice your opinion. No one wants to put in the effort. That reflects on you, not the methods involved.


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    #21362292 - 03/04/15 05:09 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

^^^^^ that.
Although really, culture tek is an optimization thing, not entirely necessary.


Read again, child. I did no such "trolling", as you're forcing the term, until the exact two people dedicated to trolling me (by their own admission) stepped in this thread and started their usual tired bullsht.

I'm protecting against false claims like yours and bod's, and deflecting hateful attacks of technique and character like yours and bod's.  Well, I say "like", but frankly yours are the only ones of which to speak.  Which says something, since apparently you have no clue about the real dynamic of the tek, since you think for some reasons that casing layers will dry out if you don't bottom water "several times a day", which is a complete crock, and clearly wrong to anyone who knows more than half a thing about home cultivation.

"As shown on your fruits", what stupid baseless nonsense.  The "unhealthy fruits" claim only works when fruits are actually unhealthy - or are you not aware of common sense like this?
  You should be saying that to Bod too about his invitro cakes, which have far more FAE lack than my chamber-fruited cakes. But if course you won't do that, you would NEVER avoid a double standard when it comes to me - you will ignore any real truth and consistency in favor of being a prick and a troll.


You are wrong again! Oh so wrong, once again, as usual.
If the grains don't dry out, that doesn't mean you're not providing proper FAE. It means you're retaining proper RH, and that you used a casing layer (for christs sake, DUH!)
But I'm not surprised you are under that wrong impression, seeing as your knowledge is clearly pigeon-holed to bulk sub techniques and bad grain techniques.
These cakes need but a fraction of the air that the same amount of grain mixed with so much more bulk sub would need.  Doubling the sub mass with bulk substrate actually involves like triple or more te mycelium because the mycelium would only cover the outside of grains but grow's densely thru every tiniest bit of bulk sub.  This is why mono tubs have FAE problems even with holes yet I put cakes in unmodified containers with no problems, and why Bod seems surprised that invitro conditions don't have big FAE problems.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21362299 - 03/04/15 05:11 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So my grows failed because I didn't microwave the casing layer?
that's crazy talk! :crazy:

If no one has done it "properly" that simply tells me its waaaaay to much hassle
to even be called noob friendly in any way!
that's like saying no one has been using franks teks because they havent used his cultures :shrug:

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362304 - 03/04/15 05:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

.... Wow.  That post was 100% spin, straw-man, redirection, and cherry-picking... by the book.
You sure aren't doing your credibility any favors.  I'd quit while you're behind if I were you - thank glad I'm not. Having motivations and mindset like yours is a nightmare to me.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362356 - 03/04/15 05:29 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not going down this road with you again, you're simply confirming what
I've said all along that you're not able to discuss the case itself but rather the people discussing it :shrug:

OP can have his thread back...

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362376 - 03/04/15 05:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I stated my opinions everyone was told not to listen to me by the only troll here. I presented my case if you're going to talk about ease of culturing then :shrug: try it both ways you'll see for yourself. I do my culturing work on agar and test it out on cakes, if you want to do grain petris and grain cakes to test cultures go for it have fun with all that extra PC time, grain prep time, etc..

over a year and I've got a list of noobs that have went from knowing dick to having something to show for themselves, and can contribute even back to me as a cultivator.

over a year and the culturing tek and the cased grain cups have an avid following with lots of people recommending it :blush:. In an effort to be as kind as possible some people just say well it's certainly a method that can get you shrooms but not what I personally do.

and you can call me dogmatic etc.. but I rarely do things the status quo way. I just do them the I'm not wasting my time way

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362424 - 03/04/15 05:39 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

It's always been you doing that, though, child.  I have no issue doing so except with you and bod who repeatedly come in on threads I'm in or that are related to my methods and trash it up.  All I ever do along these lines is defend against your nonsense which isn't based on facts about the grow.

What do I say about "the people discussing it"? That they aren't knowledgeable about that which they speak, as you clearly aren't?  That relevant advice should only be taken from unbiased people who actually know about the regards?  That these conflicts only come as a result of the hateful biased and vendetta-laden campaigns of people who baselessly attack me, and can only attack the techniques themselves in their complete ignorance of that which they attack?

See, you come in starting shit, but NEVER confront the parts of my post that have proven you wrong.  YOU keep making it about that bull every time you avert away from your ignorance of the tek and make a post only about the nonsense, like your post RIGHT THERE.
Even Bodhisatta is leaps and bounds above you in that regard.  Compared to your junk his posts are respectable and appreciable.

You clearly don't know about the tek and have no right to speak. You're like a noob trying to give advice to an already-growing poster - you simply have no qualifications.
Yet for some reason you are ALWAYS here to do this mess.  And you blame it on me?  Nobody believes you. You're in your own little foolish world.


I challenge you to prove you right - about bottom-watering, about drying and FAE, about ANYTHING you say even the personal slanders.  You can't.  You will ignore this challenge and make another post about trivial personal bullshit that YOU start and perpetuate.

Go on.  Post about cultivation, back your wrongness up!
That, or it is obvious you are conceding your inability to do so and embarrassment thereof, thus the attempt to re-direct and cover-up with this baseless nonsensical banter so it doesn't look like you just gave up and essentially admit you are wrong.  You can't do that, your ego is too big!
Well wouldn't it be the biggest boost to your ego to prove your claims right? Yeah! Then why don't you?! Go on!


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21362474 - 03/04/15 05:46 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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It's always been you doing that, though, child.  I have no issue doing so except with you and bod who repeatedly come in on threads I'm in or that are related to my methods and trash it up.  All I ever do along these lines is defend against your nonsense which isn't based on facts about the grow.

What do I say about "the people discussing it"? That they aren't knowledgeable about that which they speak, as you clearly aren't?  That relevant advice should only be taken from unbiased people who actually know about the regards?  That these conflicts only come as a result of the hateful biased and vendetta-laden campaigns of people who baselessly attack me, and can only attack the techniques themselves in their complete ignorance of that which they attack?





this was as far as I bared to read your rant, there is no vendetta laden campaigns against
you or anyone baselesly attacking you, its a lot of people who have tried
your ways and dont share your results or affection for this way of growing.

all we do is state why and how it isnt the best thing since sliced bread as you seem to think.

I havent seen you defend squat here either, only attack people :shrug:
I said I was done but this is just silly violet, get over yourself.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362608 - 03/04/15 06:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

CALLED IT

Of course you say you didn't read the rest.  That way you can do exactly what I called without admitting it.  But we all know you wouldn't quote my post, trim part out, and reply to it without taking mere seconds to see the full content.
If there was more that suited your cherry-pick, you would have "only read" even further.

Well you sure as shit have read it by now and still can't bring yourself to address it.
And if not somehow (certainly by another lie), you're going to right now.

"See, you come in starting shit, but NEVER confront the parts of my post that have proven you wrong.  YOU keep making it about that bull every time you avert away from your ignorance of the tek and make a post only about the nonsense, like your post RIGHT THERE."
(Which is true AGAIN by the way)

"I challenge you to prove you right - about bottom-watering, about drying and FAE, about ANYTHING you say even the personal slanders.  You can't.  You will ignore this challenge and make another post about trivial personal bullshit that YOU start and perpetuate."

"Go on.  Post about cultivation, back your wrongness up!
That, or it is obvious you are conceding your inability to do so and embarrassment thereof, thus the attempt to re-direct and cover-up with this baseless nonsensical banter so it doesn't look like you just gave up and essentially admit you are wrong.  You can't do that, your ego is too big!"


You're wrong and you can't back yourself up.  You have inferior cultivation knowledge and want to wear big boy pants and pick at me.

Go on.
Avoid it one... more... time.

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its a lot of people who have tried your ways



Hahah, no it isn't.  That's just not even true.
Not a lot of people. 2 people actually, the same 2 Every Damn Time.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21362639 - 03/04/15 06:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

post about cult back up your wrongness" what the *** are you talking about?
I am talking and posting about cult.

2 people? :crazy: That may be because you call the shots and say everyone does
it wrong, just like the straw man/paper tiger argument you accused me of setting up when I'm infact just tearing it down.
You know a lot of people have done the v-tek, you even ruined the v-tek vs bulk thread pasty made,
you saw vans pic here, bodhi has showed pics that's 4 people right there :shrug:

If you just leave out the personal beef you have with people from your posts
maybe its easier to understand what you want. or what you believe you "called"..

edit saw this right here:
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You're wrong and you can't back yourself up.  You have inferior cultivation knowledge and want to wear big boy pants and pick at me.

Go on.
Avoid it one... more... time.





I have been backing up everything I've said with facts or cult wisdom.
FAE, grains moisture, fuzzy feet, v-tek being cased grains etc etc etc.
maybe you didn't see it because you're so focused on the personal attacks?

Give me a cult related and non personal answer and maybe we can keep a
convo going. if not, :bye:

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362648 - 03/04/15 06:20 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

What I'm talking about is how you fail to admit you're wrong about watering, drying, FAE, everything.
Prove you right.  I said you were wrong, and you are.  You're hiding from that and deferring to ad hominem.

Go on. Be right for once.  Try.

Try proving I have to "babysit" my cakes and water several times a day, as you so boldly claimed.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21362673 - 03/04/15 06:27 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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What I'm talking about is how you fail to admit you're wrong about watering, drying, FAE, everything.
Prove you right.  I said you were wrong, and you are.  You're hiding from that and deferring to ad hominem.

Go on. Be right for once.  Try.

Try proving I have to "babysit" my cakes and water several times a day, as you so boldly claimed.




I just did :shrug:

sure you can use a GH but you cant use all that equipment (gh, pc, humidifier, timers)
and claim you use LESS stuff than a simple brf grow.
your fruits are lacking in fae. anyone can tell. maybe you should be watering more often and give proper fae a try?

"go on be right" thats just silly. you know I'm right you're just making
BS statements about "your" way of growing because you try to have everyone do it.

edit; damn I'm feeling stupid when am I gonna learn not to engage in your trolling ways.
fuck me, I'm out. go on write your wall of flames text.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362715 - 03/04/15 06:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

What?  No the fuck you didn't.  You said these cakes have to be watered several times a day.  Nothing you said has proven you right.  You have ignored the defeating arguments about that, RH, co2 buildup from different subs, and deferred to ad hominem attacks.

I fruit these cakes in totes, bottles, sgfc, greenhouses, their own chambers, any and ALL fruiting methods.  Watering is the same regardless.

It's idiotic to pretend that saying that I (sometimes) use a greenhouse (not anymore btw) means that I somehow am an exception to your "watering several times a day" rule which you have recieved from an infallible myco-God that only you are in direct contact with.

My fruits are lacking in FAE? Anyone can tell? Then how come you're the only person who claims so?
Fruits lacking FAE are spindly with like no caps.  I don't have that problem and never have with this tek.

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    #21362735 - 03/04/15 06:35 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Hey, Pasty.  VDG.  Chime in on this child's claims.  Did you have to water "several times a day"?


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    #21362761 - 03/04/15 06:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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    #21362940 - 03/04/15 07:14 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Hey, Pasty.  VDG.  Chime in on this child's claims.  Did you have to water "several times a day"?




Yes, I did.  I don't know how much climate has to do with it, since I didn't really nail that variable down, and I admit that I was babying it (with pretty good results, I feel).  But yeah, mine got watered probably 4x daily.  Morning, after work (around 4:30), dinner sometimes and then before bed.  I didn't really mind it, though.  :shrug:


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    #21362963 - 03/04/15 07:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Holey crap people, ain't we past this? To answer the question directed at me, no I did not bottom water several times a day. Perhaps that is why my culture was less successful in them. I still need to do a few more runs of cubes in them, I have a few cultures in mind that all behave very differently from each other. I still feel I have things to learn from this particular method.

Really people I think everyone needs to tone the butthurt down. This is foolish. I think cased grains taught me a lot. They also were not a replacement for my grow. Every method has its drawbacks and every method has its upside. Right now in spite of the drawbacks of needing a liquid inoculate, bulk bottles are doing better for me than any other method thus far. Yet there are still things they do not do well either. Blanket statements and narrow focus on things like expansion and fruiting substrates serve to get us nowhere in this hobby.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #21362989 - 03/04/15 07:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I like cakes. I have some going. Agar to sterilized water. Shook the shit out of it then dumped it on a mix of WBS flour/coir. Cup cakes :grin: Not a standard cake, but still a cake!

These are RGS master to rice in pp5's 3 days colonizing. 3 are lagging so I probably fucked them up. These are from 50%-95% done. 1 heaping tbsp per container. Each container of RGS did 6 rice cups. So 3 out of 12 might not make it. No biggie.

Everything I'm doing right now:


POM. 1 0f 5. Knocked em up last night. Made the mix with 3 g's agar, 500ml rice starch from my previous grain prep for the rice cups and some blue food coloring. Its like blue slime.



The mycelium seems to like blue food coloring. I mixed a batch of 8-10 plates and one test pom using 2 drops blue and 2 drops red food coloring. The myc would eat the blue color first, then go back to the red later.On the pom you could see Leaving a bit of red in the ez felt I use and especially in the agar at the base.
You can see in this pic on the left is the color of the agar when I made it and on the right is where the myc has eaten leaving red behind. I'm going to look into it more some other time. The red dye could just be heavier and settles deeper. Still looks cool though.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21362991 - 03/04/15 07:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

No, Pasty, because if you water more than the cakes absorb all that happens is you submerge or float the cakes.
You were doing that right. Your cultures just weren't doing it with it, that's all.

Point is, you weren't watering "several more times a day", more like once or twice a flush... And you fruited. No dried tops, no flush entirely befallen to aborted pins.

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Hey, Pasty.  VDG.  Chime in on this child's claims.  Did you have to water "several times a day"?




Yes, I did.  I don't know how much climate has to do with it, since I didn't really nail that variable down, and I admit that I was babying it (with pretty good results, I feel).  But yeah, mine got watered probably 4x daily.  Morning, after work (around 4:30), dinner sometimes and then before bed.  I didn't really mind it, though.  :shrug:



Holy crap! Why were you watering so much?! Did you not have good humidity? We're you open fruiting?
Like I said before, I add water once or twice per FLUSH, coming out to once a week or less.
And that's coming from someone who easily gets the full yields from them.

The only time I have watered more frequently is a few days after the time before, if the cake drew all of the initial water up.

If you have to water more than that, something is wrong.  Whatever is causing that is outside the tek. You should be providing mostly just the water needed for growing fruits.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21363015 - 03/04/15 07:25 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

At any rate I plan to revisit it soon. I am going to use millet, which is an expensive grain for me, I pay almost $0.75 a pound. But I feel that it should serve the tek well. I also have some cultures I am excited to try with it. One does fantastic when spawned to bulk, yet terrible when fruited in bulk bottles. I am really interested to see how it performs.

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    #21363027 - 03/04/15 07:26 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I did some math on it once, and I'm trying to remember it.  I think I pulled about 15g dry off that cake, which means about 150g wet fruit in total.  To keep the grain at the same level of hydration, that means it needed to be watered at least 135mL for the fruit alone--no evaporation from the water or substrate itself included.  So the water loss from the formation of the fruit alone was about 10mL per day, since I think it was over a two-week period.  Draw whatever conclusions you will about the rate of evaporation from the water, the block or evaporation out of the fruits.  I took good care of my sub and it worked well, as you can see.


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    #21363060 - 03/04/15 07:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Doing it math-style that way, and accounting for a margin of evaporation... 160mL over, say, 3 flushes, say, 5 weeks depending, is like 5mL a day... Which is realy more like 35mL a week, just about exactly what I would water after the first flush.

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    #21363065 - 03/04/15 07:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

5 weeks?  Mine was over like two weeks.  And I envy that you live in a place where you lose 5mL per week to evaporation, although I bet your towels reeks.


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    #21363073 - 03/04/15 07:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Nice, then.  I often have a flush take a week, then up to a week to start another.  Depends. It's different all the time.  I was just stabbing.


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    #21363092 - 03/04/15 07:34 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Like PW and I have both said in this thread, there are pros and cons to (almost) every method.  One of the pros to MS is a fruiting frenzy.  You can see parts of flush one, two and three in my pic.  The obvious con to that is that harvesting is more of a pain.


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    #21363139 - 03/04/15 07:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Oh that's right it was MS, that makes more sense then.  15g in 2 weeks is good, especially for MS.  I would say it's nearly top-notch but your container was over-loaded.  It was grass seed, right? Grass seed is lighter and has less yield-potential-per container for that reason.  It was overloaded, but I'd say that's one of the best posted containers I've seen.  I've been shown a few great ones in pm's though.


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    #21363157 - 03/04/15 07:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, it was RGS.  And I did overload it.  I followed your prep tek and my RGS came out with quite a bit of excess, so I spread it evenly between containers.  Increased consolidation by a day to account for it, which probably wasn't necessary because the amount of calories per cc of substrate doesn't change based on the size of the substrate, and that was pretty much the last of my deviations except for watering as needed.  I wasn't going to let that fucker dry out.


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    #21363173 - 03/04/15 07:47 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Violet,

Any input on humic acid? or other specialty ingredients for grows? :bow2:


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
    #21363180 - 03/04/15 07:47 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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