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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J] * 1
    #21361973 - 03/04/15 04:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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if you dont want more than a couple grams why would you invest in a pc and a blender just for vtek/mudabottles?

cakes to coir in a mini/shoe box would suffice then IMO :shrug:

it would be like buying a gamer pc just to browse the shroomery..




If you just want to grow to trip cakes would be fine. There's no reason to really even move to other techniques if you only want to trip.
For someone who likes mycology, and wants to learn/experiment... you need a PC... agar etc.

You guys seem to forget there's different people and different growers. every method has +/-. They're all worth learning.

If you live on the 4th floor of a 20 floor apartment building...
hauling 50 lbs of bird seed, a big bag of verm, shit tons of jars etc... It's kinda suspicious.

a bag of rice and pp5 cups would be more ideal in a circumstance like that. It's fun too and lends to small scale experimenting.

If you need lbs of shrooms... go with monos
if you have no interest in mycology and just want to trip... go with cakes
if you like to fuck around find a method that allows you to without being knee deep in fruits. I personally like Violets teks. It's a grow system. It allows me to do things the way I want.
It's not for everyone. It's more involved which is why I like it.

I started with cakes,then moved to monos... I find it boring.
I've had more fun doing agar in my SAB. The fun is just beginning.
Since Violet did some nice write ups, I now have some pretty cool methods to fuck around with.

Now that I've seen poms 1.0... Knowing what i can do with it...it'll take my growing to a new level.




I'm a little offended by some of these comments. I enjoy growing mushrooms with BRF cakes....I don't do it just to trip and it doesn't mean I love mycology any less than you.  Am I going to try other methods sure but I will probably always have some cakes going lol....I don't know I just don't like the hate against the cake!!!!

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362145 - 03/04/15 04:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Oh yeah? What do I "make up", troll.

You're wrong, and apparently you're proud of it. I water my cakes no more than twice per flush which translates to about once per week.  In good fruiting conditions, I barely have to mist. In my GH I didn't have to mist at all.

You're a fool to place a blanket statement like that, especially a wrong one, which is only true for people who suck at providing half-decent conditions for their casing layers.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21362167 - 03/04/15 04:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I understand you're defending yourself, and I still don't get why you take so much flack on this forum, but you're "feeding the trolls" when you jump into such a defensive stance.

Not calling anyone a troll and just offering my advice without it being asked for :crazy2:

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Guardian187]
    #21362182 - 03/04/15 04:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Spacechildo, after almost 2 years trashing my tek, apparently still doesn't know anything about it. He clearly hasn't done it or he would have an idea of how ridiculously stupendously wrong he is. "Several times a day"?  He clearly is speaking from inexperience just to misinform people and cause conflict, which is just about the biggest crime here on the forum.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21362197 - 03/04/15 04:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Just read your own comments in this very thread about it then. contam resistant, less work, just pick one or any :shrug:

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troll.




Well look who's talking :lol:



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Don't listen to him, he is lying.

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his clique

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shit-talk from vendetta- and bias-laden haters.


opening your big mean mouth as if your opinion matters?
"I personally think" you of all people needs to stay away from these topics, like you have been told.

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Nobody listen to Bodhisatta about these methods.

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He's been such a jerk and a troll about it  - you couldn't take worse advice about it.  He doesn't care that you want to try this, he wants you to do what he wants you to do.





look who's trolling. I'm discussing cult methods like the rest of us,
you are the only one attacking the people here and not being able to just discuss the case!

if your grains dont dry out you arent providing proper fae. as shown on your fruits.
Or maybe you think a GH setup is easier than a sgfc for noobs too? :rolleyes:

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo] * 1
    #21362289 - 03/04/15 05:08 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

When you talk down something you haven't done... for no real reason...
That's trolling. When you don't do the whole process, or skip steps and talk bad about it... that's also trolling, but more dishonest than anything.

No one has has done v-tek from start to finish as far as I've seen.
Not from spore. Not doing the culturing tek.
When someone takes the time to do it right and find a suitable culture for this grow method... when you do all that, then voice your opinion. No one wants to put in the effort. That reflects on you, not the methods involved.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362292 - 03/04/15 05:09 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

^^^^^ that.
Although really, culture tek is an optimization thing, not entirely necessary.


Read again, child. I did no such "trolling", as you're forcing the term, until the exact two people dedicated to trolling me (by their own admission) stepped in this thread and started their usual tired bullsht.

I'm protecting against false claims like yours and bod's, and deflecting hateful attacks of technique and character like yours and bod's.  Well, I say "like", but frankly yours are the only ones of which to speak.  Which says something, since apparently you have no clue about the real dynamic of the tek, since you think for some reasons that casing layers will dry out if you don't bottom water "several times a day", which is a complete crock, and clearly wrong to anyone who knows more than half a thing about home cultivation.

"As shown on your fruits", what stupid baseless nonsense.  The "unhealthy fruits" claim only works when fruits are actually unhealthy - or are you not aware of common sense like this?
  You should be saying that to Bod too about his invitro cakes, which have far more FAE lack than my chamber-fruited cakes. But if course you won't do that, you would NEVER avoid a double standard when it comes to me - you will ignore any real truth and consistency in favor of being a prick and a troll.


You are wrong again! Oh so wrong, once again, as usual.
If the grains don't dry out, that doesn't mean you're not providing proper FAE. It means you're retaining proper RH, and that you used a casing layer (for christs sake, DUH!)
But I'm not surprised you are under that wrong impression, seeing as your knowledge is clearly pigeon-holed to bulk sub techniques and bad grain techniques.
These cakes need but a fraction of the air that the same amount of grain mixed with so much more bulk sub would need.  Doubling the sub mass with bulk substrate actually involves like triple or more te mycelium because the mycelium would only cover the outside of grains but grow's densely thru every tiniest bit of bulk sub.  This is why mono tubs have FAE problems even with holes yet I put cakes in unmodified containers with no problems, and why Bod seems surprised that invitro conditions don't have big FAE problems.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21362299 - 03/04/15 05:11 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So my grows failed because I didn't microwave the casing layer?
that's crazy talk! :crazy:

If no one has done it "properly" that simply tells me its waaaaay to much hassle
to even be called noob friendly in any way!
that's like saying no one has been using franks teks because they havent used his cultures :shrug:

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362304 - 03/04/15 05:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

.... Wow.  That post was 100% spin, straw-man, redirection, and cherry-picking... by the book.
You sure aren't doing your credibility any favors.  I'd quit while you're behind if I were you - thank glad I'm not. Having motivations and mindset like yours is a nightmare to me.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362356 - 03/04/15 05:29 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not going down this road with you again, you're simply confirming what
I've said all along that you're not able to discuss the case itself but rather the people discussing it :shrug:

OP can have his thread back...

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362376 - 03/04/15 05:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I stated my opinions everyone was told not to listen to me by the only troll here. I presented my case if you're going to talk about ease of culturing then :shrug: try it both ways you'll see for yourself. I do my culturing work on agar and test it out on cakes, if you want to do grain petris and grain cakes to test cultures go for it have fun with all that extra PC time, grain prep time, etc..

over a year and I've got a list of noobs that have went from knowing dick to having something to show for themselves, and can contribute even back to me as a cultivator.

over a year and the culturing tek and the cased grain cups have an avid following with lots of people recommending it :blush:. In an effort to be as kind as possible some people just say well it's certainly a method that can get you shrooms but not what I personally do.

and you can call me dogmatic etc.. but I rarely do things the status quo way. I just do them the I'm not wasting my time way

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362424 - 03/04/15 05:39 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

It's always been you doing that, though, child.  I have no issue doing so except with you and bod who repeatedly come in on threads I'm in or that are related to my methods and trash it up.  All I ever do along these lines is defend against your nonsense which isn't based on facts about the grow.

What do I say about "the people discussing it"? That they aren't knowledgeable about that which they speak, as you clearly aren't?  That relevant advice should only be taken from unbiased people who actually know about the regards?  That these conflicts only come as a result of the hateful biased and vendetta-laden campaigns of people who baselessly attack me, and can only attack the techniques themselves in their complete ignorance of that which they attack?

See, you come in starting shit, but NEVER confront the parts of my post that have proven you wrong.  YOU keep making it about that bull every time you avert away from your ignorance of the tek and make a post only about the nonsense, like your post RIGHT THERE.
Even Bodhisatta is leaps and bounds above you in that regard.  Compared to your junk his posts are respectable and appreciable.

You clearly don't know about the tek and have no right to speak. You're like a noob trying to give advice to an already-growing poster - you simply have no qualifications.
Yet for some reason you are ALWAYS here to do this mess.  And you blame it on me?  Nobody believes you. You're in your own little foolish world.


I challenge you to prove you right - about bottom-watering, about drying and FAE, about ANYTHING you say even the personal slanders.  You can't.  You will ignore this challenge and make another post about trivial personal bullshit that YOU start and perpetuate.

Go on.  Post about cultivation, back your wrongness up!
That, or it is obvious you are conceding your inability to do so and embarrassment thereof, thus the attempt to re-direct and cover-up with this baseless nonsensical banter so it doesn't look like you just gave up and essentially admit you are wrong.  You can't do that, your ego is too big!
Well wouldn't it be the biggest boost to your ego to prove your claims right? Yeah! Then why don't you?! Go on!


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21362474 - 03/04/15 05:46 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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It's always been you doing that, though, child.  I have no issue doing so except with you and bod who repeatedly come in on threads I'm in or that are related to my methods and trash it up.  All I ever do along these lines is defend against your nonsense which isn't based on facts about the grow.

What do I say about "the people discussing it"? That they aren't knowledgeable about that which they speak, as you clearly aren't?  That relevant advice should only be taken from unbiased people who actually know about the regards?  That these conflicts only come as a result of the hateful biased and vendetta-laden campaigns of people who baselessly attack me, and can only attack the techniques themselves in their complete ignorance of that which they attack?





this was as far as I bared to read your rant, there is no vendetta laden campaigns against
you or anyone baselesly attacking you, its a lot of people who have tried
your ways and dont share your results or affection for this way of growing.

all we do is state why and how it isnt the best thing since sliced bread as you seem to think.

I havent seen you defend squat here either, only attack people :shrug:
I said I was done but this is just silly violet, get over yourself.

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362608 - 03/04/15 06:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

CALLED IT

Of course you say you didn't read the rest.  That way you can do exactly what I called without admitting it.  But we all know you wouldn't quote my post, trim part out, and reply to it without taking mere seconds to see the full content.
If there was more that suited your cherry-pick, you would have "only read" even further.

Well you sure as shit have read it by now and still can't bring yourself to address it.
And if not somehow (certainly by another lie), you're going to right now.

"See, you come in starting shit, but NEVER confront the parts of my post that have proven you wrong.  YOU keep making it about that bull every time you avert away from your ignorance of the tek and make a post only about the nonsense, like your post RIGHT THERE."
(Which is true AGAIN by the way)

"I challenge you to prove you right - about bottom-watering, about drying and FAE, about ANYTHING you say even the personal slanders.  You can't.  You will ignore this challenge and make another post about trivial personal bullshit that YOU start and perpetuate."

"Go on.  Post about cultivation, back your wrongness up!
That, or it is obvious you are conceding your inability to do so and embarrassment thereof, thus the attempt to re-direct and cover-up with this baseless nonsensical banter so it doesn't look like you just gave up and essentially admit you are wrong.  You can't do that, your ego is too big!"


You're wrong and you can't back yourself up.  You have inferior cultivation knowledge and want to wear big boy pants and pick at me.

Go on.
Avoid it one... more... time.

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its a lot of people who have tried your ways



Hahah, no it isn't.  That's just not even true.
Not a lot of people. 2 people actually, the same 2 Every Damn Time.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21362639 - 03/04/15 06:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

post about cult back up your wrongness" what the *** are you talking about?
I am talking and posting about cult.

2 people? :crazy: That may be because you call the shots and say everyone does
it wrong, just like the straw man/paper tiger argument you accused me of setting up when I'm infact just tearing it down.
You know a lot of people have done the v-tek, you even ruined the v-tek vs bulk thread pasty made,
you saw vans pic here, bodhi has showed pics that's 4 people right there :shrug:

If you just leave out the personal beef you have with people from your posts
maybe its easier to understand what you want. or what you believe you "called"..

edit saw this right here:
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Violet said:
You're wrong and you can't back yourself up.  You have inferior cultivation knowledge and want to wear big boy pants and pick at me.

Go on.
Avoid it one... more... time.





I have been backing up everything I've said with facts or cult wisdom.
FAE, grains moisture, fuzzy feet, v-tek being cased grains etc etc etc.
maybe you didn't see it because you're so focused on the personal attacks?

Give me a cult related and non personal answer and maybe we can keep a
convo going. if not, :bye:

Edited by spacechildo (03/04/15 06:21 PM)

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362648 - 03/04/15 06:20 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

What I'm talking about is how you fail to admit you're wrong about watering, drying, FAE, everything.
Prove you right.  I said you were wrong, and you are.  You're hiding from that and deferring to ad hominem.

Go on. Be right for once.  Try.

Try proving I have to "babysit" my cakes and water several times a day, as you so boldly claimed.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21362673 - 03/04/15 06:27 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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What I'm talking about is how you fail to admit you're wrong about watering, drying, FAE, everything.
Prove you right.  I said you were wrong, and you are.  You're hiding from that and deferring to ad hominem.

Go on. Be right for once.  Try.

Try proving I have to "babysit" my cakes and water several times a day, as you so boldly claimed.




I just did :shrug:

sure you can use a GH but you cant use all that equipment (gh, pc, humidifier, timers)
and claim you use LESS stuff than a simple brf grow.
your fruits are lacking in fae. anyone can tell. maybe you should be watering more often and give proper fae a try?

"go on be right" thats just silly. you know I'm right you're just making
BS statements about "your" way of growing because you try to have everyone do it.

edit; damn I'm feeling stupid when am I gonna learn not to engage in your trolling ways.
fuck me, I'm out. go on write your wall of flames text.

Edited by spacechildo (03/04/15 06:28 PM)

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: spacechildo]
    #21362715 - 03/04/15 06:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

What?  No the fuck you didn't.  You said these cakes have to be watered several times a day.  Nothing you said has proven you right.  You have ignored the defeating arguments about that, RH, co2 buildup from different subs, and deferred to ad hominem attacks.

I fruit these cakes in totes, bottles, sgfc, greenhouses, their own chambers, any and ALL fruiting methods.  Watering is the same regardless.

It's idiotic to pretend that saying that I (sometimes) use a greenhouse (not anymore btw) means that I somehow am an exception to your "watering several times a day" rule which you have recieved from an infallible myco-God that only you are in direct contact with.

My fruits are lacking in FAE? Anyone can tell? Then how come you're the only person who claims so?
Fruits lacking FAE are spindly with like no caps.  I don't have that problem and never have with this tek.

You're just making shit up to be a troll.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21362735 - 03/04/15 06:35 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Hey, Pasty.  VDG.  Chime in on this child's claims.  Did you have to water "several times a day"?


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
    #21362761 - 03/04/15 06:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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