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Mushroom_J
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
#21251670 - 02/10/15 01:26 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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You're welcome.
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MBabble
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
#21259451 - 02/11/15 04:28 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok...it ended up being a bastardization of VTek and Muda's bottle tek, with the added fertilizer. I had two half MS syringes left, one Mazatapec, one Mexi Albino.
I used both to noc some Pasty Plates, but I'm seeing zero growth on them, I used water, potato flakes, and a touch of sorghum molasses, no growth on 2 different batches, 5 days apart from each other...sucks on one hand because I was really excited to get my feet with agar, but on the other hand, I didn't grow contams with 10 containers, so I'm happy about my sterile tek that go 'round.
Soooo...with the remaining MS solution, I noc,d 4 of the small containers pictured and 1 small mini round per strain...5 total containers Mazatapec, 5 Mexi.
The 2 mini rounds are 100% rye grass seed soaked in mild fertilizer solution, 2 microwave heat treats, then pc'd, then inoculated, one Mazatapec, one Mexi, I'm hoping these do well specifically for master cultures to put to agar and/or g2g
The rectangular containers are prepped basically according to MudaFuka's bottle tek, however, for each container, I used fertilizer treated grains, basically 50/50 rye grass seed to brown rice...and 2/3 coir to 1/3 verm. Ratio per container was 50% grains to 50% "substrate", give or take...these will be fruited in their containers if we get to that point, and bottom watered per Violet.
Anyway, that's where I stand at the moment...in addition to the afore mentioned, I have 2 qt jars of Mazatapec WBS ready to tub, and 2 qt jars of Mexi Albino ready to tub. Tubs are mini monos, hopefully will get to that tomorrow. Again, thanks for everything.
Edited by MBabble (02/11/15 04:35 PM)
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smegzilla69
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
#21354267 - 03/02/15 10:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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following
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EVERYTHING I SAY IS A LIE!!! N ALL MY PICS R STOLEN
WORTH EVERY PENNY!!!!watch it pay for it self in # of high yield flushes!
SO DOPE
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination. " Albert.
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NumeroEno
I come from the land of lizards



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I think violet's stuff is badass for breeding purposes. Yield, not so much, but I've never seen a better method to test the gene pool and get clean prints.
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Let it grow! Let it grow! Greatly yield!
What shall we say, shall we call it by a name
As well to count the angels dancing on a pin
Water bright as the sky from which it came
And the name is on the earth that takes it in
DOG FOOD AGAR
MY ELECTRIC INOCULATION LOOP
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Psilicon
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: NumeroEno]
#21354308 - 03/02/15 10:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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NumeroEno said: I think violet's stuff is badass for breeding purposes. Yield, not so much, but I've never seen a better method to test the gene pool and get clean prints.
Also a decent way to get rid of the extra grain left over after a G2G, although I know Violet doesn't like that. I liked V-tek because the casing and bottom watering make it able to be fruited in just about anything, but I agree that it doesn't scale as well as bulk.
I'm a bulk guy, through and through. But I recommend everyone try everything that isn't stupid and risky and unsterile, and Violet's method is none of these. It's sound and will produce mushrooms, period.
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NumeroEno
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Psilicon]
#21354314 - 03/02/15 10:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Exactly. When I start messing with selective breeding I'll probably be using violet's methods.
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Let it grow! Let it grow! Greatly yield!
What shall we say, shall we call it by a name
As well to count the angels dancing on a pin
Water bright as the sky from which it came
And the name is on the earth that takes it in
DOG FOOD AGAR
MY ELECTRIC INOCULATION LOOP
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MBabble
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: NumeroEno]
#21355827 - 03/03/15 10:58 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry I haven't replied back, I aborted this mission, had zero luck with colonization...did some research and the rye grass seed I used appears to be heavily chemically treated, no one has had luck with the brand.
I'm having luck with my monos, but will revisit this soon with organic seed and proper technique.
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spacechildo
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: NumeroEno]
#21356084 - 03/03/15 12:10 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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NumeroEno said: I think violet's stuff is badass for breeding purposes. Yield, not so much, but I've never seen a better method to test the gene pool and get clean prints.
violet says good bulk cultures dont do good on her type of grows, so using these methods to test your clone/isos meant for bulk grows might not be the best idea.
Rather look into a mini mono/shoe box/muda bottle grow for testing the genetics!
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pyrojew666
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I wanna see what happens next
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: pyrojew666]
#21356265 - 03/03/15 12:47 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psilicon
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: pyrojew666]
#21356289 - 03/03/15 12:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
violet says good bulk cultures dont do good on her type of grows, so using these methods to test your clone/isos meant for bulk grows might not be the best idea.
Violet does say that, but I think the major issue is actually the fact that bottom watering by her method is still insufficient moisture for a really large pinset from a good culture, and that's where bulk substrates win out for production. IMO V-tek would work great for testing cultures, as long as you know what it looks like when a flush nopes out because of water problems.
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MBabble
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta]
#21356322 - 03/03/15 01:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:


PLEASE post progress.
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spacechildo
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Psilicon]
#21356327 - 03/03/15 01:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I remember solid members used to say cultures (or actual strains) grown on a certain substrate doesnt necessarily do as well on another type of substrate.
and since ms is such a crapshoot, once you take a well-performing clone from a ms grow to say straw, it doesnt necessarily do as well on another sub f.ex. cvg.
But I do agree with you you gotta be a real vigilante nanny to keep moisture levels up to par by (bottom) watering grains!
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
#21356329 - 03/03/15 01:04 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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MBabble said:
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bodhisatta said:


PLEASE post progress.
I already did, as have a lot of us. all of the methods never caught on for some pretty obvious reasons. cus even when it does work you just have a cup of shrooms. A monotub would yield me a years worth of shrooms. I like to fuck around too. I just like to fuck around with things that work well all the time.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta]
#21356363 - 03/03/15 01:09 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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out of the 6 I did. I got one "success" and the first picture is the next best performer.
here's a neglected PF cake on it's 3rd flush with no special care or attention


I've always gotten better results from cakes in comparison.
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MBabble
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta]
#21356471 - 03/03/15 01:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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MBabble said:
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bodhisatta said:


PLEASE post progress.
I already did, as have a lot of us. all of the methods never caught on for some pretty obvious reasons. cus even when it does work you just have a cup of shrooms. A monotub would yield me a years worth of shrooms. I like to fuck around too. I just like to fuck around with things that work well all the time.
I should have specified, I'm interested more on your opinion of adding fertilizer...that and adding Supercake to the sub are on my to do list of new things to try.
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Guardian187
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
#21356502 - 03/03/15 01:38 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd suggest picking a tek and following it to the T. Then when you have a grasp on cultivation experiment around. My 2 cents 
I relate to reading every damn thread I could find, but honestly you learn the most just doing it. I know, cliche advice haha
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble] 1
#21356504 - 03/03/15 01:39 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I personally think the fertilizer hypothesis is complete bullshit. Founded on imagination, supported by 0 evidence, not even correlational anecdotes.
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Violet



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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#21358858 - 03/03/15 11:11 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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*sigh*
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bodhisatta said:
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MBabble said: PLEASE post progress.
I already did, as have a lot of us.
Don't listen to him, he is lying.
"A lot" of "us", as it was said, certainly didn't post PROGRESS of all things. 2 people from his clique have posted a SINGLE first-try run of the technique He didn't PROGRESS with the technique one bit before bashing it senseless. I have seen the results of people that LEARN the tek and combine it with proper culture. It's formidable.
Indeed, the technique hasn't grabbed on a lot *HERE* (keyword: HERE) for some "pretty obvious reasons" - if you take a look, it's obvious that the main reason is shit-talk from vendetta- and bias-laden haters.
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bodhisatta said: I personally think the fertilizer hypothesis is complete bullshit. Founded on imagination, supported by 0 evidence, not even correlational anecdotes.
You're still ignoring the evidence and anecdotes and opening your big mean mouth as if your opinion matters? "I personally think" you of all people needs to stay away from these topics, like you have been told.
It's fairly known, outside of psilocybe cultivation apparently, that the urea content of manure (i.e. stable manure) is a major contributor to the nitrogen content, and a known contributor to the presence and activity of nitrobacter and nitrosomonas (i.e. pasteurization). I read some about this while reading some about shaggy mane I think it was.
Nobody listen to Bodhisatta about these methods. He has long since vocalized, self-admitted, a bias against me and my methods and a conviction to attack me and bring them down just because he doesn't like me. He's been such a jerk and a troll about it that it's even noted on his ban-o-matic. He is literally the LAST person to listen to about this - you couldn't take worse advice about it. He doesn't care that you want to try this, he wants you to do what he wants you to do.
It's true that bottom-watering doesn't supply the moisture that would allow mycelium to expend the majority of grain nutrition as fruits in one flush. I'll "concede" that. When you have a strong culture that can make the most of the grain alone, however, using the bulk substrate doesn't increase your yield-per-grain in a noteworthy amount if at all. It does however increase your expense, labor, energy expenditure, contam chance, total substrate mass, while reducing your division of substrate, and ease of disposal for most people, and more.
There are perceived advantages to various teks. For some people's situations, and preferences, some perceived advantages can become more important than others. My perceived advantage is in getting my full yield with fewer contams and waste while doing less work by watering over 4-6 flushes instead of taking extra steps to do it in 2 flushes with a big waste pile to deal with.
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Psilicon
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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Violet]
#21359672 - 03/04/15 06:58 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Violet said: When you have a strong culture that can make the most of the grain alone, however, using the bulk substrate doesn't increase your yield-per-grain in a noteworthy amount if at all. It does however increase your expense, labor, energy expenditure, contam chance, total substrate mass, while reducing your division of substrate, and ease of disposal for most people, and more.
I don't agree at all, but nevertheless I think it's a cool method that's got real applications and that everyone should try.
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