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Ok Violet, you're next * 1
    #21248965 - 02/09/15 03:04 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I'll document this a lot better, start a grow log etc.
Don't know if I'll mess with fert this go 'round, but went and ahead and picked it up, 18% nitrogen, 24% phosphate.

Containers are different, but they're pp5 and were on sale.
Plan on 4 brown rice and 4 rye grass.

Thanks again!

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
    #21248981 - 02/09/15 03:08 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Get jars, scrap the fertilizer. What tek are you trying to follow?

I'd get a bag of verm, a dozen 1/2 pint jars, and grind that brown rice into flour then follow the PF-Tek


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Bugler Boy] * 1
    #21249001 - 02/09/15 03:11 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Gonna try my best to follow Violets container tek (Vtek) to a t, just slightly different containers

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
    #21249032 - 02/09/15 03:15 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Never heard of that. Just skimmed it. Why not just do one mono instead of a bunch of little containers? Unless you have a GH you'll probably have to put them in a tub for fruiting anyway


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble] * 1
    #21249053 - 02/09/15 03:19 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

The basic theory behind the fertilizer is that in cow fields.. they piss everywhere. It's not just cow poo. The urine has ammonia in it... ammonium nitrate i believe. And if you look at the main ingredient that they derive the nitrogen from... it's urea... at least with miracle grow.

Hydrate the grains with the fertilizer mix... It's pasteurized basically to kill off a bunch of critters so that the thermophiles left (heat loving enzymes/bacteria) eat the fertilizer converting it into a form of nitrogen that the mushrooms can consume.

Kinda the same process that's used to make compost for portobellos.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21249920 - 02/09/15 06:19 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

a dome will turn any tray into a mono. :shrug:
Also allows you to test diff spawns isolates on a smaller scale before you commit to a larger bulk grow.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: X0cyris]
    #21250683 - 02/09/15 08:27 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Violet!!
Lord have mercy...bear with me on this rant.
When I first started reading all of the teks here, I read everything I could...I'm obsessive-compulsive so trust me, I left nothing to chance, I read and read and read...ad nauseam.
Your teks and information in general excited me and inspired me.
...enter today when I got a bug up my ass to finally try some Vtek, but not only Vtek, but throw in some fertilizer info.
Well...
Please do not take this personally, but you need a fucking editor.
Unless you are trying to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak, and trying to make it as difficult as possible for noobs to try your teks, which I get if that's the case, an initiation if you will.
I get your Philosophy behind what you do, I get your passion, I get you (I think), but the same diatribes that excited me to try your methods when I was chilling on my couch with A Nightmare on Elm Street on the television had me in a corner of lowes today, desperately searching my phone for info while sobbing like a child and getting elbowed away from the fertilizer section by a couple of granny's and soccer moms.
...anyway...I figured out what I needed to start your VTek, I'm doing 4 containers of fertilized rye grass and 4 of fertilized brown rice, they're soaking.
Deep breath

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: X0cyris]
    #21250749 - 02/09/15 08:40 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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a dome will turn any tray into a mono. :shrug:
Also allows you to test diff spawns isolates on a smaller scale before you commit to a larger bulk grow.




Not everyone needs monos.
They output a lot in one go. More than i could use in 2 years.
Which means I wouldn't need to grow anymore for a long time and i like to fuck around.
For me, this tek is for people who want personal stashes but at the same time advanced techniques. It's also scalable so it can be done in bulk.
I could do cakes, but this is way more fun and has a lot of different uses.
You learn more. All of it can be applied if you decide to go another route.

Show a noob how to do cakes. Then hand em everything for a bulk grow with no directions.

Show a noob these techniques and they can easily figure out traditional bulk methods quickly. I think for someone interested in mycology as a whole, this is a better starting point.

It's more of a complete grow system rather than a "tek"

The ferts are optional...expermental.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21250804 - 02/09/15 08:53 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21250825 - 02/09/15 08:57 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Mushroom_J said:
The basic theory behind the fertilizer is that in cow fields.. they piss everywhere. It's not just cow poo. The urine has ammonia in it... ammonium nitrate i believe. And if you look at the main ingredient that they derive the nitrogen from... it's urea... at least with miracle grow.





First off, horse shit is what we want

second, they don't piss on their shit

third, we let the shit age for months before using it, long enough that any piss present is long gone

fourth, mushrooms are decomposers, you don't feed them the way you feed plants

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Fuzz-nutter]
    #21250859 - 02/09/15 09:04 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Fuzz-nutter] * 2
    #21250869 - 02/09/15 09:06 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Fuzz-nutter said:
Quote:

Mushroom_J said:
The basic theory behind the fertilizer is that in cow fields.. they piss everywhere. It's not just cow poo. The urine has ammonia in it... ammonium nitrate i believe. And if you look at the main ingredient that they derive the nitrogen from... it's urea... at least with miracle grow.





First off, horse shit is what we want

second, they don't piss on their shit

third, we let the shit age for months before using it, long enough that any piss present is long gone

fourth, mushrooms are decomposers, you don't feed them the way you feed plants




I'm talking about the natural habitat.
In nature they more often than not grow in cow pastures.
They piss all over the fields and shit everywhere too.
The patties don't need to age for months outdoors in nature.
Bacteria and other mold compost both the patties and the piss.
The mycelium will work it's way into the ground searching for water if it needs to. The generally fruit after a rain.
I'm well aware how cubes "eat"
That's why the ferts are bacterially treated to convert them and also infuse them into the grains... which the myc eats.

Ever wonder how and why mushrooms are being used in bio-remediation?
Why they can "eat" toxins and convert them into fruit body tissue?

I'm sorry these concepts are above you.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J] * 1
    #21250874 - 02/09/15 09:07 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Also from having worked in horse stables and out in horse pastures... they do piss on their shit. It's why fresh horse manure wreaks of ammonia :tongue:


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21250921 - 02/09/15 09:18 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Fuck an A
:wink:

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: MBabble]
    #21250967 - 02/09/15 09:32 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

MBabble said:
Fuck an A
:wink:





Sometimes I do lol

Sorry though :crazy2:


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21250972 - 02/09/15 09:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm sorry these concepts are above you.



:gaystapo:


OP I'm interested to see them shrooms, I'm following

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Fuzz-nutter]
    #21251033 - 02/09/15 09:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Just skimmed some of violets teks and im impressed. I Will have to go back and read further:rockon:

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Fuzz-nutter]
    #21251035 - 02/09/15 09:46 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe a slight detour...I'll keep you posted

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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Fuzz-nutter]
    #21251157 - 02/09/15 10:15 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Fuzz-nutter said:
Quote:

Mushroom_J said:
I'm sorry these concepts are above you.



:gaystapo:


OP I'm interested to see them shrooms, I'm following




Lol. I'm just being retarded. I don't mean to offend you. I know you can grow. I was going to make a joke about athletes foot being a pinning trigger from your shoe grow lol.

It's just a theory. It's the same reason we can add coffee to soak water.
Just in theory the ferts need to be treated with bacteria converting it to a useable form. Same concept. Just a different approach. That's all i'm arguing. I think the ferts being chemical is the problem with people not trying or thinking it can't work. Everything in this hobby is organic which i like. Bat shit is what i'm looking at to experiment with.

So just don't take what i say as if i'm pushing all this as fact and it does work. The whole idea comes from Anne Halonium. The cow pasture stuff is where her idea originates from. I was just repeating how the whole concept came about.


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Re: Ok Violet, you're next [Re: Mushroom_J]
    #21251531 - 02/10/15 12:18 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Mushroom_J said:
Not everyone needs monos.
They output a lot in one go. More than i could use in 2 years.


For me, this tek is for people who want personal stashes but at the same time advanced techniques. It's also scalable so it can be done in bulk.
I could do cakes, but this is way more fun and has a lot of different uses.
You learn more. All of it can be applied if you decide to go another route.

Show a noob how to do cakes. Then hand em everything for a bulk grow with no directions.

Show a noob these techniques and they can easily figure out traditional bulk methods quickly. I think for someone interested in mycology as a whole, this is a better starting point.

It's more of a complete grow system rather than a "tek"

The ferts are optional...expermental.





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