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Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it?
    #21243272 - 02/08/15 11:27 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Just wondering. I want to take up violin again. I did it in middle school. I really want to learn to p.ay an instrument but I don't want to be a cliche and pick up the guitar or something.. Violin seems a lot cheaper to get into than piano. Those are really the only two instruments who I see value in. I mean sure, I love guitar, but everyone and their mother can bust one out and start playing like Jemi Hendrix or some shit. I don't want to be that. I want everyone to step back and go "wow".. I realize these statements are sure to grant me ire and all I can offer is I don't intend them to be. Growing up in my circle, people would often show you what they could play, and as always it was on guitar. Whipping out a violin here would leave  everyon stumped.

That said I don't want to learn for anyone but me. I'd like something to focus my energy on and I feel there is no better instrument to bare your soul on, than a violin. so much meaning and sadness can be tied on those simple strings in a way I've never really seen another instrument able to compare.

Anyways I'm rambling. I'm trying to build a realistic picture here.. What have you learned to do in 2 years. I'd really like to see videos of people playing. Personal videos not shit I'd google. Your pauses, your off keyness, your mistakes. Id' like to see it all. Can PM it if you want and I will not disclose it to this thread.  I really want to do this and now I have issues following through in doing it. If my concerns are warratned, then I can move on, and if they aren't (which I suspect they're not) I can put a lot of the worry to bed and move fourth.

I'm sure there's more than one of you that will read this thread and I urge you to take a few minutes out of your day to show me.. You should substantially change a life by doing so.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

Edited by Shroomslip (02/08/15 11:31 AM)

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21243295 - 02/08/15 11:34 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

how well do you play with other things?  that is all you be doing is playing.  have fun with it.  you can meet other fiddlers and get tips and such if want to progress quickly in that direction.  you can play for own fun and understanding.  have fun.


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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #21243307 - 02/08/15 11:38 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

i would recommend anyone to get a instrument to play.  very much a gift to this life that is of great nature, music.


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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #21243316 - 02/08/15 11:39 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

It'd be a mostly solitary endeavor. I don't even plan to pay for a teacher, at lest not right away. I'll find something torrenting that will teach me the basics.

I don't play anything well. I've wanted to play an instrument my entire life but it has never worked out. I'm in a position to finally make it work out and I want to pursue it.

Basically my question is, what I learn in 2 years, will it be as useless s what I do after a week. If I dedicated myself o learning, will I be able to be reasonably decent. Will I be able to create beautiful music that people look upon with admiration, or will it still sound like nails on a chalk board.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

Edited by Shroomslip (02/08/15 11:43 AM)

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #21243329 - 02/08/15 11:43 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Violin is a very respectable instrument but i'm not sure if it would be ideal to learn music on. Little variations in finger placement can totally change the sound and to a newbie could be very discouraging and confusing. Violins don't have frets and the bow is very variable.

Maybe a synth might be something you're interested in? It's very open and easy to get a hold of. Learning theory is a breeze when you can look at the keys and octaves like that.

If you are sure violin is for you, don't let anyone deter you. Music is about passion and determination, it's good for the soul. Just don't get caught up in exercises and forget about theory. Theory first if you can. And you can basically skip modes and understand chord structures(first). Modes can complicate things. Just ask Marty Friedman.

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21243333 - 02/08/15 11:44 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I am not in the exact situation you describe, but violin is the kind of instrument that a lot of people sound pretty rough on even after a few years. Making a nice sounding tone is non-trivial, and with no frets it's an added challenge to play in tune compared to a fretted instrument. Getting to the point where other people will be wowed by your playing will probably take a while.

There are a number of picked instruments tuned in the same intervals, mandolin for example. Personally I found it much easier to make headway on a picked instrument (mandolin and later tenor banjo), never got too far with fiddle.

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21243338 - 02/08/15 11:44 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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It'd be a mostly solitary endeavor. I don't even plan to pay for a teacher, at lest not right away. I'll find something torrenting that will teach me the basics.

I don't play anything well. I've wanted to play an instrument my entire life but it has never worked out. I'm in a position to finally make it work out and I want to pursue it.

Basically my question is, what I learn in 2 years, will it be as useless s what I do after a week. If I dedicated myself o learning, will I be able to be reasonably decent. Will I be able to create beautiful music that people look upon with admiration, or will it still sound like nails on a chalk board.



To answer your question, 2 years means nothing. It depends on your ambition. If you really feel the music then it's a lifetime affair.

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21243353 - 02/08/15 11:47 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

It'd be a mostly solitary endeavor. I don't even plan to pay for a teacher, at lest not right away. I'll find something torrenting that will teach me the basics.

I don't play anything well. I've wanted to play an instrument my entire life but it has never worked out. I'm in a position to finally make it work out and I want to pursue it.

Basically my question is, what I learn in 2 years, will it be as useless s what I do after a week. If I dedicated myself o learning, will I be able to be reasonably decent. Will I be able to create beautiful music that people look upon with admiration, or will it still sound like nails on a chalk board.

This is why I really wanna hear what people who've been doing it for a year or two is capable of producing now. If I could get 5-10 of these people, I could build a very strong picture. I can separate skill from my own personal tastes, I know enough to recognize the technical skill to play certain songs that I find repellant.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21243409 - 02/08/15 11:55 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I would put up a video for you but I'm neither technologically capable and after 7 years it wouldn't really gauge well for you what 2 years can do.

Honest answer? It depends on you, but if you keep at it, absolutely. By 2 years I had written plenty of good riffs, progressions, a solid song or two.

This song was written by a guy who had been playing 6 months.



Ah, the classics.

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21243416 - 02/08/15 11:56 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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It'd be a mostly solitary endeavor. I don't even plan to pay for a teacher, at lest not right away. I'll find something torrenting that will teach me the basics.

I don't play anything well. I've wanted to play an instrument my entire life but it has never worked out. I'm in a position to finally make it work out and I want to pursue it.

Basically my question is, what I learn in 2 years, will it be as useless s what I do after a week. If I dedicated myself o learning, will I be able to be reasonably decent. Will I be able to create beautiful music that people look upon with admiration, or will it still sound like nails on a chalk board.



To answer your question, 2 years means nothing. It depends on your ambition. If you really feel the music then it's a lifetime affair.



But that can be said of any instrument.

My question is if I devoted 2 years to to it, would it feel like waste? If I really dedicated myself to learning it, is 2 years enough to see significant growth? Is 2 years enough to make those who don't play step back and wonder at how I do it? I realize violin is a very difficult instrument to master, and I suspect that's why I'm so drawn to it.

The other option on the block is Cello. I'm not really opposed to that idea either, but, it just doesn't feel as noble for some reason.

I'm not looking to make music my life. I suppose I should make that clear. Music is a huge part of my life, but it's not all that is me. I would like a way to express myself and 'work out steam' and I remember what it felt like playing the violin.. It was a good feeling. I really want that again..

Soon, I don't know when, I'm going to pick an instrument and it has to (in my eyes)  hold value. AS of current the only three that fit the bill is Cello. piano and violin. Learning guitar is cool and all, but it just doesn't convey the emotion or release the stress. I played guitar and it wasn't te same. When I played violin my entire soul went into it, when I played guitar it was just a muscle memory of when to hit the strings.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

Edited by Shroomslip (02/08/15 12:01 PM)

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21243436 - 02/08/15 12:00 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

You'll get better faster if you learn a new instrument for yourself and not to make everyone go, "wow!" That second part will naturally come as you get better at playing it.

Choose the instrument you would enjoy the most. Don't avoid guitar or piano just because they're popular or "cliche." Moreover, piano is not that expensive or impractical to learn. You can buy a digital piano for a few hundred bucks with full-size keys. If you have the money you can even get one with weighted keys so it feels like the real deal.

I didn't start playing bass and piano until I was at least 21. I'm 30 now and I can read music and play both of them quite well. You're never too old to learn a new instrument!


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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21243452 - 02/08/15 12:04 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Basically my question is, what I learn in 2 years, will it be as useless s what I do after a week.



Almost certainly not, unless you don't put in any effort over that time span. You will make real progress if you put in the work.

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If I dedicated myself o learning, will I be able to be reasonably decent. Will I be able to create beautiful music that people look upon with admiration, or will it still sound like nails on a chalk board.



On violin in particular, you may find the results disappointing in the first few years if your expectations are that high. Or, it may turn out that you have a lot of natural talent for it and are able to make progress a lot faster than the average novice player, who knows.

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: mantis]
    #21243464 - 02/08/15 12:06 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not doing it to make them go wow, I'm merely using that as a gauge to how far I've progressed, because there's not really much to judge it by otherwise. I'm too shy to really play in front of others so it would never be a scenario I face honestly. I just want to know that in 2 years I won't be as terrible as if I started today, to that if someone walked in on me they'd be laughing at me. If someone did happen to catch me playing, I want them to be stunned. I don't think it takes 30 years to reach that potential, but I'm curious when that shift happens.

I:d still like to hear what people can do after only 2 years.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21243485 - 02/08/15 12:09 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Brains are capable of wrapping themselves around anything uncertainty and frustration make a brain less flexible if you want to play stick with it truly and wholeheartedly by that i mean play at least fourty minutes every day for at least a year thats about how long it took me to get really good with my bass i used to play hours just about every day one of the greatest feelings ever:grin: learning an instrument is a decision you cannot possible regret i support all of everyones musical endeavors

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: peaceisgreen419]
    #21243511 - 02/08/15 12:14 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

violin is quite hard and it cant play chords. Theres a reason why people pick guitar. You can play chords on a guitar and it sounds good by itself. Violin cant, really hold its own, have you ever listened to a single violin play anything for an extended piece of time?


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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21243525 - 02/08/15 12:17 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Basically my question is, what I learn in 2 years, will it be as useless s what I do after a week. If I dedicated myself o learning, will I be able to be reasonably decent. Will I be able to create beautiful music that people look upon with admiration, or will it still sound like nails on a chalk board.




If you want to pursue an instrument exclusively for the purpose of gaining admiration from other people you're off to a bad start.

Pursuing anything musical is a personal endeavour, if you want to do it for yourself then that's all the justification you need.

I'd start with percussion, way more easily accessible than any other instrument.


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Edited by Yukon Cornelius (02/08/15 12:18 PM)

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21243565 - 02/08/15 12:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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violin is quite hard and it cant play chords. Theres a reason why people pick guitar. You can play chords on a guitar and it sounds good by itself. Violin cant, really hold its own, have you ever listened to a single violin play anything for an extended piece of time?



Yep.. Am quite infatuated by it as well. Think that's why it holds my draw. Someone who can master the violin is just beautiful to me. I don't hear their music, I hear their soul.
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Basically my question is, what I learn in 2 years, will it be as useless s what I do after a week. If I dedicated myself o learning, will I be able to be reasonably decent. Will I be able to create beautiful music that people look upon with admiration, or will it still sound like nails on a chalk board.




If you want to pursue an instrument exclusively for the purpose of gaining admiration from other people you're off to a bad start.

Pursuing anything musical is a personal endeavour, if you want to do it for yourself then that's all the justification you need.

I'd start with percussion, way more easily accessible than any other instrument.



I have no one to admire it. I want to learn for me. I Just want to learn something so great and 'worthy' that if someone were to hear it, they'd have that admiration. Think of it simply as a gauge rather than a plan.

I really do want to learn for myself and that's it, though. I seek no approval or admiration.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21243606 - 02/08/15 12:27 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Just show me what you have after 2 years on any instrument. No judgement, I won't even respond if it makes it easier. I'm just trying to to get a basis here. PM a link and it will remain there. I won't berate you or anything. Even 3 years would be unacceptable. But no perfection. Start recording and show me exactly what you have. Not what you can do in the right state of mind, but what you can do on the spot. It will help. I'm sure there are no shortage of people who fit the bill.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

Edited by Shroomslip (02/08/15 12:28 PM)

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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
    #21243617 - 02/08/15 12:30 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I've been playing guitar for almost 9 years completely self-taught and the single most important thing I've learned is practice practice practice

That's the key when it comes to learning how to play an instrument you have to be very persistent and just play because in the beginning you will suck there's no way around that unless you're a prodigy or something it took me months of constant practice to really develop my skills and start to sound remotely good 

Violin is one of the most difficult instruments to learn just like with guitar there's lots of bad habits you can get yourself into without realizing the vast majority of people who play violin well have taken lots of lessons and gone through a painstaking amount of practice to reach that point

Cello is an easier instrument to learn IMO but I'd say guitar is a great place to start then again that's the only instrument I can play with any serious degree of skill


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Re: Who here as picked up an insturment in the last 2 years and gotten any good at it? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21243621 - 02/08/15 12:31 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)





I really do want to learn for myself and that's it, though. I seek no approval or admiration.




That's good, and honestly if you play any type of music there is someone to admire it regardless of genre or instrument.

After 3 years I finally got good at DJ/production technique, the time frame is irrelevant what matters is that you are ready and able to follow your passion.


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