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Titus_Pullo


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There is no war on drugs
#21240886 - 02/07/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lets be real. We are all here discussion, taking, growing, and baking up drugs to use and sell. If there was a war on drugs this website would have been shut down ages ago.
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Re: There is no war on drugs [Re: Titus_Pullo] 1
#21240941 - 02/07/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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No there is a war on people that make money selling drugs.
We're all a bunch of broke asses that can't afford shit.
Not worth their time to come after us
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Re: There is no war on drugs [Re: DrRedBush]
#22227921 - 09/12/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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DrRedBush said: No there is a war on people that make money selling drugs.
We're all a bunch of broke asses that can't afford shit.
Not worth their time to come after us
Not sure Pfizer would agree with you on that first point.
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Re: There is no war on drugs [Re: Wah]
#22231666 - 09/13/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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not sure the folks locked up on misdemeanor marijuana charges would agree with you
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Re: There is no war on drugs [Re: airclay]
#22300494 - 09/27/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The war on drugs is much like the war on poverty, something politicians paid lip service to but never really took seriously...
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just because some small victories and freedoms exist, doesn't mean it's not a totalitaian world.
of course there's a war on drugs, they're illegal aren't they.
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Re: There is no war on drugs [Re: visitors]
#22775215 - 01/13/16 04:23 PM (8 years, 16 days ago) |
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visitors said: just because some small victories and freedoms exist, doesn't mean it's not a totalitaian world.
of course there's a war on drugs, they're illegal aren't they.
its not a war on drugs, its a war on personal freedom, keep that in mind at all times...
democrats originally started this war as a way to oppress the minorities, blacks specifically, and like most govt programs, once instituted, almost impossible to roll back
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i'd agree yes that is what's behind it.
but - the people who continue to push for their illegality, believe all the lies about the drugs / consciousness. their campaigns and so forth focus on things like drug traffiking being linked to lots of other highly questionable and unsavory activities - none of which come close to being exercises of true personal freedom.
granted, such peoples are usually sheeples - ie, they believe a load of rubbish and haven't started paying attention to their own conscience which must inform them on some level that they need to start thinking. i think people find it too hard to think it all through, because to do so properly means you do have to accept you live in a fucking totalitarian world run by total psychos and most of what you are taught is deliberately knowingly a load of crap, and that society has been that way for seemingly ages.
some of them probably are just evil on purpose and know they are going along with lies. but a lot are just mind-controlled and programed with lies their whole lives.
also, legit concerns about drugs do reflect how lots of people do use them. because they are branded as bad, the type of idiot who does things just because they are considered to be bad, they are not the kind of person anyone wants to live beside, you know? so when people who push for drugs to keep being illegal do so, often it's because they see with their own eyes how drug abuse causes problems. yes, they don't look at it truly correct as then they'd see the drug abuse only happens because society is built on evil to begin with. so as i'm sure we all can see - a world built on lies that forces you to go along with lies to be in it, if you are good and you hear that drugs can show the truth behind all that. then you are probably going to take them too. so what i suppose i'm saying is - to get them proper legal, means people having to realise that their societies are corrupt, and why they are corrupt. cause the problem is, lots of what the anti-drugs people say about drug abuse is true! it does ruin lives. it makes poor places even worse to live in. it is associated with so much stupid stuff that treats others like crap, has no conscience. but - that isn't what taking inebriants is about. it's perfectly possible to get completely wrecked and bother nobody else at all while you live in your head happy.
so they also need to learn the difference. it isn't about drugs. it's about people who take them and act like an idiot on them - and the true reasons they do so. and that lots of people take them and don't bother anyone, you wouldn't even know there is anyone there high on anything.
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Re: There is no war on drugs [Re: visitors]
#22781321 - 01/15/16 07:06 AM (8 years, 15 days ago) |
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oh also - the anti-drugs campaigns often wear the 'we care about health' lies. so you have to watch that one.
of course they don't care about health really. if they did they'd ban most toxic chemicals they let be sold in nearly every shop and have adverts telling you to douse yourself and your house with. they wouldn't allow biocides. they'd change all agriculture and horticulture to at the least organic. they would incorporate 'alternative' health into their usual medicine. they wouldn't urbanise. ecetera. but that is a card they play over and over again - lies that they care about health. lies that cannabis makes you mentally ill. lies. so again, to win against them means making them admit to all the lies their societies run on, which actually are truly unhealthy.
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Re: There is no war on drugs [Re: visitors]
#22781369 - 01/15/16 07:44 AM (8 years, 15 days ago) |
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and we also need to address or watch out for this one -
not everyone will think along these lines, but those of us that know it's sacred or sacramental or whatever should be able to understand,
we can't demand rights for ourselves when we take away or diminish rights for other species. lots of drug production treats nature like shit. like a commodity. as it does with a lot of types of farming generally. there is no recognition of the soverignity of the plant.
so when we demand the right to smoke weed for example, we need to bear in mind that isn't the same as saying - yeah i can just use plants as slaves to get high from. like they just exist for you to use. as then, i'd say anyway, you have lost all insight into what drugs teach to begin with.
as an aside i do get the impression that a lot of trips or drug experiences are actually about the plant telling you the story of how it came to be killed and then eaten or smoked by you..
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Re: There is no war on drugs [Re: visitors]
#22781861 - 01/15/16 11:13 AM (8 years, 15 days ago) |
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there is no recognition of the soverignity of the plant.
plants have feelings too...
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as an aside i do get the impression that a lot of trips or drug experiences are actually about the plant telling you the story of how it came to be killed and then eaten or smoked by you..
let the rabbits wear glasses!
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yeah i can just use plants as slaves to get high from
fuckin a rights! top 'o the fucking food chain baby, yeah!
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We can not really say there is a war on drugs, at least not drugs in general, just some drugs.Actually I would call it a war on human freedom and human nature, before I would call it a war on drugs.
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no see that is amoral and incredibly wrong. and it's the opposite view of the world and our place in it that (what you can read or view*) those who live directly off the planet have. *i don't know them personally, but tonnes of what i read and viewed re. 'undeveloped' cultures and peoples, is of the opposite opinion when it comes to how people should behave and their place in the ecosystems)
when you think of yourself as superior to other species in that false interpretation of darwinian ways, then you haven't learned anything of worth from plants or anyone else either.
people are not top of the food chain anyway. in nature people can be preyed upon by quite a lot of predatory mammals and reptiles, in the past birds also, and of course there's a whole host of far smaller creatures that can kill us easily or make us very ill, for a variety of reasons. i really don't think the 'conventional' explanations of how humans came to make weapons and develop all that side of things is very true. if it were true then why would only the white races in some areas have gone down that route (or indeed, why are the ruins of ancient civilisations ruins - and the languages have to be guessed at as to what they mean. and they are all city-building agriculturals, who either built so far from natural water sources they all died off, or they deforested & unfertiled their land to dust and desert). the reason that matters is that it's only because of alchemists and metalworkers originally - a small number of humans by comparison to those who used the weapons and had others armed by them - that anyone else has tools, and is then able to fight loads of other animals in various ways or control them. without those blacksmiths and so forth, no you as a human are not well equipped to fight most predators. yes there do seem incidences of large groups of people using just sticks and stones to hunt with (in terms of bringing down a larger stronger animal) - but that wouldn't have come to All This. cause no metal tools.
top of the food chain - but can't even chase down and bite most other predators to death?! come on now. we're artificially enhanced and that is being kind about it.
and anyway that is terrible to think you have the right to enslave another living being. you don't, nobody does. thinking like that (survival of the fittest kind of thing, and the definiton of 'fittest' = beats up all the others) when extrapolated out to its only logical conclusion - sooner or later someone comes along and they have the nukes and they have the superweapons and they just endgame it boom. narrowing things down to that way of thinking invites anyone who can to stomp all over everyone else, it just becomes a race to see who can build the ultimate weapon that vetos or (excuse the term here given what may happen, which is relevant to my point) trumps all the rest.
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Re: There is no war on drugs [Re: visitors]
#22901095 - 02/13/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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The war on drugs was never about drugs, it served it's purpose- to erode and circumvent constitutional liberty. It is now largely irrelevant for that purpose since all of BIG brother tech is in place.
Once they do away with cash currency, one of the few good things that will come of it is that they will likely legalize most of the illegal drugs. This is because they will essentially have absolute control at that point and can tax drug users insanely wile the drugs themselves provide a temporary escape from the slave lifestyle that will ensue. The drugs will help keep people in line exactly like soma from the book "Brave new world".
We are finally seeing the end of marijuana prohibition so at least that's a start to the phase out of the drug war.
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visitors said: just because some small victories and freedoms exist, doesn't mean it's not a totalitaian world.
of course there's a war on drugs, they're illegal aren't they.
its not a war on drugs, its a war on personal freedom, keep that in mind at all times...
democrats originally started this war as a way to oppress the minorities, blacks specifically, and like most govt programs, once instituted, almost impossible to roll back
Bingo! This is all about limiting personal freedoms and making sure the governments stay on top. Seems like the internet spreading advanved topics may be outpacing these governments at an alarming rate.
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its not a war on drugs, its a war on personal freedom, keep that in mind at all times...
democrats originally started this war as a way to oppress the minorities, blacks specifically, and like most govt programs, once instituted, almost impossible to roll back
Have you ever said anything factually accurate ? Nixon started the drug war. He declared it in a speech in june of 1971. In 1977 Carter was inaugurated on a campaign platform of marijuana legalization.In October 1977 the Senate Judiciary Committee voted to decriminalize possession of up to an ounce of marijuana for personal use. then guess what happened? Reagan !!!! What you said is so fucking far from reality dude.
See this quote, its very similar to what you said. It was Nixon's fucking campaign manager that said it.
"""" "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.""""
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Re: There is no war on drugs [Re: psilynut]
#23062583 - 03/30/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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So all drugs were legal before the 70's? LMFAO!
I hope you have charts and graphs to prove that!
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No there were drug laws starting with opium in the 1860s. It was the Harrison tax act .But regulations and an all out war on drugs are two completely different things. You said the war on drugs. It changed everything. Nixon made marijuana schedual 1. He started no knock raids. the DEA was created while he was president. Everyone knows Nixon and Reagan made the drug war what it is today. It led to skyrocketing incarceration rates. You don't even know your own partys history? I have to post charts for you?
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Re: There is no war on drugs [Re: psilynut]
#23062664 - 03/30/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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psilynut said: I have to post charts for you?
haven't you heard, you have to post charts or graphs, otherwise your arguments are considered "straw man" just ask BBW and Fal and Ecstatic, they told me them are the rules
but yeah, if you wanna refer to the start of the modern era "war on drugs" then I suppose you'd be correct, but drug prohibition, started long before then, that was my point,
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There's no point in partisan finger pointing if it happened before ww2 . The parties weren't the same . You were blaming liberals for modern drug policy . Nixon and Reagan started it ,the bushes supported it, and Clinton didn't help at all . Things have moved in very positive direction while Obama has been president though . Those guys don't make rules but if you want people to take you seriously it helps if what say matches up with evidence you can find on the Internet .
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