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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: KMt]
#21235321 - 02/06/15 01:44 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: The point is that the races aren't different branches of the tree. They're different colored leaves on the same branch. The classic races are just as similar, or different, as slavs and italians. But we choose to distinguish based on skin color because it's easier to identify than the angle and height of your cheek bones.
Then why did Europeans decide to create the whole race thing in the first place?
Tribalism, same as anyone else.
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: Mike_yy]
#21235327 - 02/06/15 01:46 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: It's more accurate to say "Race isn't a science word". than "There is no such thing as race".
True.
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Mike_yy said: Yeah not different species. I'm not saying that one's better than another, just that we are physically different. I've had to fill out forms asking my ethnicity for loads of different things and they list a load of races to choose from. I'm Caucasian.
Right. And all I'm saying is there's a reason it's boiled down to 6 generic groups instead of German, French, slavic, Russian, Arab, etc, and that's because it's easy.
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#21236089 - 02/06/15 04:54 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: It's more accurate to say "Race isn't a science word". than "There is no such thing as race".
Well of course it exists, because we made the shit up unfortunately lots of dumb things exist in this world it is just unfortunate that what defines the essential character of a person in so many people's minds comes down to what is some made up bullshit.
It is a self-serving concept employed by the insecure and ignorant. This thread is bordering on racism from the start because the obvious implications it is trying to make i.e. these people are undeveloped and primitive, which is actually the case with racists moreso than Africans of any color.
If you think that racism is valid then please give me a solid definition of a specific race, not some geographical label that says nothing specific about personal qualities.
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#21236308 - 02/06/15 05:51 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Didn't some anthropologists famously say there are 'gloomy prospects in sub-Saharan Africa' due to the IQ being much lower due to genetics? It was in a documentary on race which I didn't finish because it was probably just going to be liberal drivel after a while. lol. I'm lazy too.
You just have to look at Africans to see they are not genetically endowed. That should include intelligence. No intelligence, no way you're running a modern nation. 
These poor races have been told by Christian liberals they're equal to all others, then they try and live in our societies and just fail due to not having the hardware.
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#21236318 - 02/06/15 05:54 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Race to me can only mean Quote:
moonrockmushy said:
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Baby_Hitler said: It's more accurate to say "Race isn't a science word". than "There is no such thing as race".
Well of course it exists, because we made the shit up unfortunately lots of dumb things exist in this world it is just unfortunate that what defines the essential character of a person in so many people's minds comes down to what is some made up bullshit.
It is a self-serving concept employed by the insecure and ignorant. This thread is bordering on racism from the start because the obvious implications it is trying to make i.e. these people are undeveloped and primitive, which is actually the case with racists moreso than Africans of any color.
If you think that racism is valid then please give me a solid definition of a specific race, not some geographical label that says nothing specific about personal qualities.
See this right here is the types of discussions this thread needs to be having. Old paradigms like tribelism, racism, communism etc all these 'isms! All they do is divide and seperate people who are of the same species, and same genus.
Sure there are some different types of sapien strains just as there are different psilocybe cubensis. Some have more potency then others. Some grow larger then others. But they are all still part of the same species! A great movie that can make you think it's epic would be the same way I think it is epic.
If I lift weights to grow muscle so will you if I eat soemthing and not die then so can you!
In this day and age I find old paradigms a waist of time. Racism has no benefit to anyone it's just poison and keeps people trapped in the Stone Age.
Race has also changed in definition through the years. This thread also shows that we've got a long way to go as long as backwardness and ignorance are still prevailing at the moment. With Internet knowledge is literally every where updating itself every second and to me it's shameful that people here still have 30 year old mentalities when new knowledge is literally passed within there hands.
The problem with this thread is that it believes that africa is not developed and insinuates that America and the west have are fully developed but it's far from it. The implication of that being that nowhere is really developed and humans will always be in a state of evolution.
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: circastes] 1
#21236327 - 02/06/15 05:56 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: circastes] 4
#21236344 - 02/06/15 06:01 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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circastes said: Didn't some anthropologists famously say there are 'gloomy prospects in sub-Saharan Africa' due to the IQ being much lower due to genetics? It was in a documentary on race which I didn't finish because it was probably just going to be liberal drivel after a while. lol. I'm lazy too.
You just have to look at Africans to see they are not genetically endowed. That should include intelligence. No intelligence, no way you're running a modern nation. 
These poor races have been told by Christian liberals they're equal to all others, then they try and live in our societies and just fail due to not having the hardware.
See this is that backward thinking I'm talking about. Some anthropologist who's name you don't even know said something you can't even confirm.
But wait you can actually! I'm an African and I'm using the Internet far better then you can clearly! does this make me smarter then you? Do you even know the first thing about genetics and how there passed down how recessive and dominant ones are choesn! Do you really?
Can you even produce the name of this documentary?
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: point5wonder]
#21236355 - 02/06/15 06:04 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#21236373 - 02/06/15 06:08 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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You just have to look at Africans to see they are not genetically endowed. That should include intelligence. No intelligence, no way you're running a modern nation. 
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: point5wonder]
#21236456 - 02/06/15 06:25 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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point5wonder said: Race to me can only mean Quote:
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Baby_Hitler said: It's more accurate to say "Race isn't a science word". than "There is no such thing as race".
Well of course it exists, because we made the shit up unfortunately lots of dumb things exist in this world it is just unfortunate that what defines the essential character of a person in so many people's minds comes down to what is some made up bullshit.
It is a self-serving concept employed by the insecure and ignorant. This thread is bordering on racism from the start because the obvious implications it is trying to make i.e. these people are undeveloped and primitive, which is actually the case with racists moreso than Africans of any color.
If you think that racism is valid then please give me a solid definition of a specific race, not some geographical label that says nothing specific about personal qualities.
See this right here is the types of discussions this thread needs to be having. Old paradigms like tribelism, racism, communism etc all these 'isms! All they do is divide and seperate people who are of the same species, and same genus.
Sure there are some different types of sapien strains just as there are different psilocybe cubensis. Some have more potency then others. Some grow larger then others. But they are all still part of the same species! A great movie that can make you think it's epic would be the same way I think it is epic.
If I lift weights to grow muscle so will you if I eat soemthing and not die then so can you!
In this day and age I find old paradigms a waist of time. Racism has no benefit to anyone it's just poison and keeps people trapped in the Stone Age.
Race has also changed in definition through the years. This thread also shows that we've got a long way to go as long as backwardness and ignorance are still prevailing at the moment. With Internet knowledge is literally every where updating itself every second and to me it's shameful that people here still have 30 year old mentalities when new knowledge is literally passed within there hands.
The problem with this thread is that it believes that africa is not developed and insinuates that America and the west have are fully developed but it's far from it. The implication of that being that nowhere is really developed and humans will always be in a state of evolution.
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: point5wonder]
#21236477 - 02/06/15 06:30 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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circastes said: Didn't some anthropologists famously say there are 'gloomy prospects in sub-Saharan Africa' due to the IQ being much lower due to genetics? It was in a documentary on race which I didn't finish because it was probably just going to be liberal drivel after a while. lol. I'm lazy too.
You just have to look at Africans to see they are not genetically endowed. That should include intelligence. No intelligence, no way you're running a modern nation. 
These poor races have been told by Christian liberals they're equal to all others, then they try and live in our societies and just fail due to not having the hardware.
See this is that backward thinking I'm talking about. Some anthropologist who's name you don't even know said something you can't even confirm.
But wait you can actually! I'm an African and I'm using the Internet far better then you can clearly! does this make me smarter then you? Do you even know the first thing about genetics and how there passed down how recessive and dominant ones are choesn! Do you really?
Can you even produce the name of this documentary?
You claim I can use the internet, yet the spell check and grammar function escape you.
I already gigged your shitty spelling, now we move to grammar. You never begin a sentence with a conjunction.
Go smoke some AZT you illiterate.
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: myc_check1212] 1
#21236633 - 02/06/15 07:01 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ad hominem attacks to not change the substance of what is being said. If you believe in racism I don't really expect to be able to change your mind just don't try to pretend you aren't racist because you are afraid of what people will think of you.
It is pretty obvious that IQ tests are culturally biased. Again it comes down to what you and your culture decides is "developed". Some might say that a developed culture is one that is growing fast, some might base it on school grades and IQ scores, some might say it is one where human rights and living in harmony with the Earth is prioritized, all of which are based on opinions and subject to personal and cultural bias. To me a culture that relies on race supremacy is primitive, and alot of people in "socially developed" circumstances agree.
There are differences between cultures, there are differences between individuals. It is not white people or black people that come to any understanding by themselves. We understand the world as individuals in a community. If we respected Africans as equals and for what they can teach us about ourselves rather than what they can do for us in a material sense, Africa would benefit and the western world would benefit.
If this was actually the case people would want to come to the table and take part in building their nations in a way they can be proud, but this just isn't the case. Leaders who do not tow the line for western powers have reason to fear for their life, and they have reason to fear that their people will be exploited if they put their country in the hands of foreigners. Big business and imperialists governments obviously likes to have countries that are below them, but any person with half a social conscience can see that it is wrong. It is one thing to be realistic about the situation, it is another to be willfully ignorant.
The majority of people in Africa are people like you and me with the same sort of hopes and dreams, deserving of the same basic rights. Until western foreign policy fully reflects this and is willing to make material sacrifices for the good of everyone, the struggle will continue.
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21236677 - 02/06/15 07:11 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey I was just courageously speaking the truth mmmkay.
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: circastes]
#21236707 - 02/06/15 07:17 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not trying to attack anyone. I try to stick to staying impersonal and just attack the ideas rather than the person. I don't even really pay a ton of attention to who is saying what unless I really like what a person has to say. Like I said I don't really expect to change the opinion of the people who already are committed to these ideologies, so I'm speaking more to the uninformed readers and just getting my take on things out there for the record.
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21236739 - 02/06/15 07:22 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Ad hominem attacks to not change the substance of what is being said. If you believe in racism I don't really expect to be able to change your mind just don't try to pretend you aren't racist because you are afraid of what people will think of you.
It is pretty obvious that IQ tests are culturally biased. Again it comes down to what you and your culture decides is "developed". Some might say that a developed culture is one that is growing fast, some might base it on school grades and IQ scores, some might say it is one where human rights and living in harmony with the Earth is prioritized, all of which are based on opinions and subject to personal and cultural bias. To me a culture that relies on race supremacy is primitive, and alot of people in "socially developed" circumstances agree.
There are differences between cultures, there are differences between individuals. It is not white people or black people that come to any understanding by themselves. We understand the world as individuals in a community. If we respected Africans as equals and for what they can teach us about ourselves rather than what they can do for us in a material sense, Africa would benefit and the western world would benefit.
If this was actually the case people would want to come to the table and take part in building their nations in a way they can be proud, but this just isn't the case. Leaders who do not tow the line for western powers have reason to fear for their life, and they have reason to fear that their people will be exploited if they put their country in the hands of foreigners. Big business and imperialists governments obviously likes to have countries that are below them, but any person with half a social conscience can see that it is wrong. It is one thing to be realistic about the situation, it is another to be willfully ignorant.
The majority of people in Africa are people like you and me with the same sort of hopes and dreams, deserving of the same basic rights. Until western foreign policy fully reflects this and is willing to make material sacrifices for the good of everyone, the struggle will continue.
"deserving of the same basic right. Until western foreign policy fully reflects this...the struggle will continue."
What a bunch of nonsense, that's the responsibility of people that live and govern in Africa, it has nothing to do with the West.
Guess what determines the destiny of Africa? AFRICANS!!!
This idea that if only the whites people in power were to have a change of heart, then blacks can have a decent life is bullshit.
Your thinking is the worst thing for blacks to listen to, you essentially tell them they're helpless and the only way life improves is if white man becomes a nice guy, that's pathetic.
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: circastes] 2
#21236743 - 02/06/15 07:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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circastes said: Didn't some anthropologists famously say there are 'gloomy prospects in sub-Saharan Africa' due to the IQ being much lower due to genetics? It was in a documentary on race which I didn't finish because it was probably just going to be liberal drivel after a while. lol. I'm lazy too.
You just have to look at Africans to see they are not genetically endowed. That should include intelligence. No intelligence, no way you're running a modern nation. 
These poor races have been told by Christian liberals they're equal to all others, then they try and live in our societies and just fail due to not having the hardware.
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circastes said: Hey I was just courageously speaking the truth mmmkay.
No. You were being racist as fuck.

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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: 404]
#21236805 - 02/06/15 07:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can spin the facts any way you like to make excuses for that which is inexcusable to all except those doing the spinning.
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: qman]
#21236865 - 02/06/15 07:58 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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"deserving of the same basic right. Until western foreign policy fully reflects this...the struggle will continue."
What a bunch of nonsense, that's the responsibility of people that live and govern in Africa, it has nothing to do with the West.
Guess what determines the destiny of Africa? AFRICANS!!!
This idea that if only the whites people in power were to have a change of heart, then blacks can have a decent life is bullshit.
Your thinking is the worst thing for blacks to listen to, you essentially tell them they're helpless and the only way life improves is if white man becomes a nice guy, that's pathetic.
Y'know who some of my biggest influences are in forming my ideas about race? Blacks. If they hear me say this it will be nothing new to them because in large part I learned this from the writing of black authors. The fact that we share a belief in the essential worth of a human being regardless of the labels put on them by society is what connects me to them, and separates me from you. To me the basic respect a person has for others says something about a person that is more important than where they were born, what color they are, or how much they have in the bank.
As I've said earlier I don't think that America is "developed" in the sense that it is at some remarkable level and is done developing. I think we could do alot better, and stubborn ignorant people are weighing us down much moreso than the so-called lazy poor. I'm not claiming to have all the answers, but it is just ridiculous when any person wants to take credit for all that is good in the world and distance themselves from everything that is bad. It is just ridiculous and pathetic and so obviously self-serving propaganda that I can't believe anyone would buy it.
If you think that America was "developed" in 1776 and that everything since then has been a step in the wrong direction then you are in fact a racist, because the US was a racist state back then. If you think that we are not still dealing with the aftermath of institutional and cultural racism today then I'd have to say you are blind to the world, you don't want to open your eyes because in your fantasy you are above everyone else. In my mind you are against the true spirit of America, which is that all people are equal and deserve an equal say. Someday I hope we will get there and that is when I will call the US "developed".
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Re: Why has Africa never developed??? [Re: moonrockmushy] 3
#21237791 - 02/07/15 01:08 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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myc no one cares about your grammar correction. It's all you have left after proving your shameful ignorance and stupidity numerous times. All It shows is that your still butthurt from me schooling your ass.
Africa does need to learn to stand on its feet by it self but that's exaclty what it's trying to do now. Africans send more money home then aid workers donate. That never used to be the case, and infrastructure is growing all over the place. So I can say to answer this thread properly Africa is developing and so is the rest of the world.
Moon rock mushy well said!!!
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point5wonder said: myc no one cares about your grammar correction. It's all you have left after proving your shameful ignorance and stupidity numerous times. All It shows is that your still butthurt from me schooling your ass.
Africa does need to learn to stand on its feet by it self but that's exaclty what it's trying to do now. Africans send more money home then aid workers donate. That never used to be the case, and infrastructure is growing all over the place. So I can say to answer this thread properly Africa is developing and so is the rest of the world.
Moon rock mushy well said!!!
God bless you Point5wonder, God Bless Africa and fuck the naysayers and negative nancies.
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