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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21236696 - 02/06/15 07:15 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Cool man, I can get dung. I'll have to look into getting some spores. I like the way the fruits look, like the sclerotia variety fruits sorta. Maybe not a skinny.


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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21236767 - 02/06/15 07:31 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Yes, dude, I've answered you repeatedly. They can be grown indoors like regular cubes, the difference is, they need some type of dung. I'm also sure they require a casing layer, unlike most cubes. And I also told you there's a video Tek on YT of someone growing them. Go look it up and do some research.





sorry, I thought you said I needed to grow them outdoors

im an idiot I totally read your post wrong...I thought you said "get a pan, a syringe...and so on


so yeah, you did answer my question...:lol:


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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21236776 - 02/06/15 07:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Yes, dude, I've answered you repeatedly. They can be grown indoors like regular cubes, the difference is, they need some type of dung. I'm also sure they require a casing layer, unlike most cubes. And I also told you there's a video Tek on YT of someone growing them. Go look it up and do some research.





When you say they need some type of dung...so will injecting a sterilized rye berry jar then spawning to Compost work?

then just fruit like I would a cube?


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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21236784 - 02/06/15 07:36 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I've never grown them, but I believe you'd be spawning your grains to a sub like pasteurized CVG+HPoo and then fruiting like normal cubes, but adding a casing layer. I'd search the site for pan cyan Teks and check out that video I'm telling you about.

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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21236800 - 02/06/15 07:41 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

whats CVG?


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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21236807 - 02/06/15 07:43 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

coir verm gypsum?


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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21236818 - 02/06/15 07:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see why compost wouldn't work :shrug:


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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21236850 - 02/06/15 07:54 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Have you ever grown cubes? I was under the impression you knew that process relatively well. CVG is coir, vermiculite and gypsum and is a very common and popular substrate. They don't need to be pasteurized, but horse poo definitely does.

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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21236879 - 02/06/15 08:04 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah sorry, I figured it out quite quickly. Read a couple posts up.


I have grown cubes about 6 or 6 times now. I just always used the same method, which doesn't include verm, coir or gypsum :shrug:


I just harvested 23 grams of B+. A month ago I harvested 14 grams of APE.


my method, like I said, is always the same.

Inject the jars of rye with spores, then break the cakes up and spawn to compost, then fruit in a humidity dome.



I know the bulk doesn't NEED to pasteurized, but its much safer than just sterilization :shrug:


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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
    #23144780 - 04/22/16 03:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have a quantity of healthy Azurescens & Cyanescens mycelium going, but I missed the outdoor season so am considering trying to get them to fruit in a fridge.

Is the community consensus still that woodlovers indoors is unlikely to succeed?

Just take them outdoors and get them thru the summer?

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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: art_shaman]
    #23145031 - 04/22/16 05:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

As someone who currently has some pans colonizing some WBS, I highly recommend using agar first to transfer. Sometimes the spores don't germinate in the jar, at least in my past experiences. If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure they need a casing as well.

I plan on spawning to pasteurized manure into pans and putting it in a tub with water, to keep the humidity high. A SGFC will work as well.


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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: FeedYourMind]
    #23145173 - 04/22/16 06:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I believe art shaman is talking about psilocybe cyans and not pan cyans like the OP was.


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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Grey]
    #23159214 - 04/26/16 09:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I believe art shaman is talking about psilocybe cyans and not pan cyans like the OP was.




Yes, psilocybe cyans. Sorry for the confusion.

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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: art_shaman]
    #23159440 - 04/26/16 09:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Psilo Cyan are a pain in the ass to fruit.  Have an outdoor patch but I'm quite a few hardiness zones off... and most people typically want to be low-key with their hobby.  Indoor woodlover's sub stage isn't a big deal, but that doesn't get you too far.

So you are definitely looking at a Panaeolus strain.  Well aged poo is the bulk sub of choice, with grain spawn giving all the early nutrition.
Since you've grown cubes, the main other change would be a SGFC instead of a humidity dome for fruiting. And very thin 1/4" casing

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22216410

^ Official Copelandia / Panaeolus Thread

PS  I'm surprised you have never got a bag of gypsum.  Fungi use a ton of calcium and sulphur.  Verm will be a very important addition to lower substrate density for Panaeolus Cyans. They don't like a heavy sub due to the physiological make-up vs cubensis rhizos

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