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Bill_Oreilly
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Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens
#21234380 - 02/06/15 09:08 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Say you have a cyan spore syringe and a sterilized jar of grain.
Whats the difference in growing the 2?
do I have a chance of growing cyan indoor?
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21234552 - 02/06/15 10:05 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I too am curious
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: concrete_666]
#21234588 - 02/06/15 10:23 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cyans would be considered a outdoor wood lover mushroom.
You can grow cyans indoor, but you'll have some work to dial in the lower colonizing and fruiting temps. Not as "set and forget" easy as cubes.
Temperature during colonization: 21 – 25 ° C Temperature during cropping: 10 – 15 °C(day) & 5 – 10 °C (night) Humidity: > 90%
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Fungus Mountain]
#21234665 - 02/06/15 10:43 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank for the knowledge
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Fungus Mountain]
#21234675 - 02/06/15 10:47 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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It depends on the cyan as there are 2 species with that name.
Panoleus Cyanescens can be cultivated easily indoors, although their main difference from cubensis is they're dung lovers and require hpoo or something similar.
Psilocybe Cyanescens I haven't seen grown indoors. These are the wood lovers that need a cold, wet habitat and grow throughout the PNW and other areas with similar ecosystems.
Fungus Mountain,
Can you link me to any indoor psilocybe cyan grows?
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
#21234758 - 02/06/15 11:06 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know RR and Cronicr have talked extensively about the subject and you can find many threads on the issue. I've heard people have fridge cultivated them, but .. Trying to find a pic/proof seems to be another matter entirely.
Edit: http://www.shroomery.org/8702/Psilocybe-azurescens-indoor-cultivation
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Edited by Fungus Mountain (02/06/15 11:08 AM)
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Fungus Mountain]
#21234789 - 02/06/15 11:15 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah IIRC Chronicr was saying it's been done by a handful of people, but the yields were nothing to write home about. There was a recent thread on here were someone was about to try it out, or grow a patch. I can't remember that part.
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Fungus Mountain] 1
#21234802 - 02/06/15 11:17 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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RR:
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It will need to be grown on woodchips outdoors, and not every climate will support it.
Whether it's beneficial bacteria, the root/mycelium interface, soil fungi, whatever, azures and P cyanescens don't do well in sterile, or even pasteurized media.
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Better grow some plants. I've never seen an indoor grow worth a darn, including my own, and temperature appears to be only a minor factor. It seems the long life cycle prior to fruiting doesn't lend itself well to indoor growing with sterile culture. You either get molds, or if/when you do get fruits, they'll be few and far between.
I suspect the cyanescens/azures form a mycorrhizal relationship of some sort with the plants they grow with and around. Even outdoor beds spawned without suitable plants do poorly. The wall-to-wall flushes we see usually have shrubs or some type of woody-stemmed plants growing in the same bed. In Seattle, I used to look for Rhododendron beds as an indicator species, because I'd find 90% of the P cyanescens growing around their bases.
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I would not suggest attempting to fruit azures indoors. In addition to the cold temperatures, they require organisms in the soil to fruit, and once you bring unpasteurized topsoil indoors, green molds are going to be the culprit long before you can get the azures to fruit. I've succeeded with them outdoors, but even in my refrigerated mini-greenhouse, every indoor attempt has failed.
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
#21234811 - 02/06/15 11:20 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, that's the one.
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
#21234823 - 02/06/15 11:22 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Fungus Mountain] 1
#21234828 - 02/06/15 11:24 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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So doesn't really look possible to indoor fruit cyans, only to colonize and distribute later, which doesn't really seem that likely.
ing,
I found the recent thread. It culminated with the guy dropping a tub of cyan chips on his foot and breaking it and his outdoor patch not fruiting at all.
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
#21234858 - 02/06/15 11:30 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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The safe money is doing just what you said. Let the grain colonize indoor, then take it to the outdoor woodchip/mulch bed. Honestly, not a project I'm all that interested in screwing around with around with if it's that hard to replicated the environment needed, just grow them outdoor or pick another strain to work with.
That said, we don't even know if the OP was talking about Pans or Ps cyans.
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Fungus Mountain]
#21234875 - 02/06/15 11:35 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Right, that's why I clarified the differences for him. I live in a hotbed for psycans and am seriously pissed I didn't find any this season. Definitely going out a bunch next year!
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
#21234900 - 02/06/15 11:41 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not a single effn one this year!!! I feel you. 
At this point I'm looking to morel season and all the fire scorched earth from last summers burn.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
#21236491 - 02/06/15 06:33 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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stareatclouds said: Right, that's why I clarified the differences for him. I live in a hotbed for psycans and am seriously pissed I didn't find any this season. Definitely going out a bunch next year!
I am talking about whichever one is easier to grow indoors, like you would cubensis.
What im looking for, ultimately, is a mushrooms that is stronger than cubensis, but also possible/kind of easily to grow indoors like cubensis.
So again...lets say I have a cyan(whichever is easiest) spore syringe and a sterilized syringe.
What next? Do I just grow It like I would a cubensis?
By the way, its winter and cold here in Massachusetts, so cold indoor weather will not be a problem if its needed.
like I said, im looking for an easy/possible way to grow indoor mushrooms that are stronger than cubes.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.
It's just a shot away..
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21236518 - 02/06/15 06:39 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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1. Panaeolus cyanescens are supposed to be more potent than regular cubes. 2. You can grow them like regular cubes, but they need dung like horse poop. 3. Just cold weather is not all psilocybe cyans need. 4. You can find types of cubes that are a lot stronger than regular cubes, such as PE, APE, PE6, etc.
You're not going to be able to grow psilocybe cyans indoors, so go buy a pan. cyan syringe and look up Teks on how to grow it. There's a good YouTube video of some British or French guy growing them actually.
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
#21236589 - 02/06/15 06:54 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Could you grow pan cyan indoors?
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.
It's just a shot away..
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21236629 - 02/06/15 07:00 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, dude, I've answered you repeatedly. They can be grown indoors like regular cubes, the difference is, they need some type of dung. I'm also sure they require a casing layer, unlike most cubes. And I also told you there's a video Tek on YT of someone growing them. Go look it up and do some research.
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: stareatclouds]
#21236676 - 02/06/15 07:11 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah I've seen some killer trays of pans done in a SGFC. Again I'm not versed on pans, but I was reading somewhere that they do well in a shallow sub (with poo of course).
They are stronger. The preferred dose to start is like.5g-1g versus an eighth.
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Re: Difference in growing cubensis vs cyanescens [Re: Grey]
#21236685 - 02/06/15 07:12 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've only eaten some psyans that I picked out here and they seemed a lot stronger visually than the cubes I've grown. I enjoyed them a lot. I have a pan cyan syringe that I'm going to put to use soon once I have some dung.
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