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WBS Woes
    #21233465 - 02/06/15 12:31 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

So using the Franks WBS method I prepared a stock pot full of WBS. It's been soaking for 24 hours. I tried to get the soft boil to happen but it seemed to take a very long time. By the time I think I had correctly soft boiled/simmered it long enough I dumped it out into the two strainers I have. When dumping it I noticed that a bunch of the WBS looked like it turned to mush. Does this mean its ruined? I would equate them to looking almost like grits added into the WBS (soaked in water + 5 cups of coffee + handful of gypsum). Thanks for any help.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21233488 - 02/06/15 12:42 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

it is supposed to look like seeds not mash. any ideas yourself? heat maybe? did they get stirred up so the seeds that started on the bottom weren't exposed to direct heat for a long time.

can tell it wasn't the 24 hour soak, the simmering seems to be the next thing you tried so that seems to be the issue. first time using the tek?


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: filthyknees]
    #21233498 - 02/06/15 12:47 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Just don't simmer next time. Just spread it out on newspaper and then move it around again in like 20 mins. Wait another 2o to 30 minutes and then throw it in jars. It will still be wet on the outside, but after the PC run the grains will absorb the water. When the jars are still hot I like to take them out and shake a bit which helps them keep absorbing water I find. Mine end up rolling around like BB's.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: filthyknees]
    #21233502 - 02/06/15 12:48 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

They are ruined if you want to go make master jars out of them, you might salvage them for a muda bottle tek, whats your plan?

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: invitro]
    #21233547 - 02/06/15 01:11 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for all the fast replies. They have been soaking for about 30ish hours at this point. I used two different WBS brands as one had a ridiculous amount of sunflowers in them (most of them floaters and removed them using a hand strainer) and the other had cracked corn in it. I kept stirring the stock pots but as I was doing that I felt like every time I did that I couldn't tell if the water was "simmering" or "boiling". If I stopped stirring them then I could tell easier what the water temperature was. I do have an All American PC to use with the jars which is also new. This is the first time I've done his tek, I used to be on "nansnook" or "the nook" about 10 years ago. Right before I quit my cultivation hobby I did a "popcorn" run to some success.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21233558 - 02/06/15 01:15 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I forgot to mention - 2 stock pots, one for each brand of WBS. The ruined batch was the one without the cracked corn, so now I am even more concerned about messing up the other batch. I also did notice on the first stockpot with the ruined WBS at the bottom it looked like almost burnt seed (probably from increasing the heat). Those who simmer, do you slowly raise the heat or just kick it to the medium high until it simmers? I had the stockpot filled to the brim with the water/gypsum/coffee mix. I'm worried on the untouched batch that it takes too long for the water to come to a simmer and that it'll end up doing the same thing. Would you guys say that rye berries are easier to deal with?

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21233580 - 02/06/15 01:30 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

rhy easier than wbs? nah man, search a user named fooman, his wbs method is the easiest I've seen and had success with.

in the past I turned up to med-high for simmer, stirring occasionally.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: invitro]
    #21233613 - 02/06/15 01:50 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I simmer my wbs for almost 30 minutes without it turning to mush.

Were you mixing constantly while it cooked? It's important to in my experience .

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21233624 - 02/06/15 01:56 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I was stirring it but then I couldn't tell when it was "simmering" so I just stopped for a bit then waited for the water to seemingly start to soft boil then let it go for a couple minutes then turned the heat off. I wouldn't say that it was more than 20 minutes on the stove,.. but I think my heat may of been higher than half way - probably closer to the max. I started to worry that I had too much water in the stock pot which made it longer to warm up, so I turned up the heat,.. then it seemed that as I stirred it I could never tell if it was actually simmering or not so I stopped,.. once the water started to very lightly boil I left it on the stove for a few minutes (4ish) then took it off to strain.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21233716 - 02/06/15 03:14 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I guess for round 2 you're going to have to be a little more careful. :shrug:

It took me quite awhile til I really felt comfortable with my grain prep. Now I can do it in my sleep.

Good luck. :thumbup:

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21236083 - 02/06/15 04:53 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't worry too much about sunflower seeds. I don't even try to remove them. Even the cracked corn isn't so bad if it's in relatively small amounts. There are some brands that just suck though. My most recent bad experience was trying Pennington Wild Finch Blend. In the end it turned out very much like you described.

No I didn't fill it to the top. That's a layer of exploded mushy grains stuck to the sides :lol:

For comparison this is Morning Song Wild Bird Food prepared using the exact same method.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: Kizzle]
    #21237383 - 02/06/15 10:23 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Pennington is exactly what I used. I think I was trying to be TOO careful honestly. I'm just going to reset and see what to do. Just such a pain when having that much ruined and also very discouraging. My sink does get so hot that it burns you if you have it at the highest setting, I wonder if using that high heat cooked it more than typical sinks do. I also found some random rocks (or maybe concrete) in the mix, they're really small but still odd.  Also another random question - I received plastic canning jar lids in the mail today and they didn't have any gaskets on the lid. Can I still use them or do I need to find gaskets for the lids? Its the "ball plastic storage lids". I hope I didn't just purchase 3 sets of the wrong type of lids. :confused:

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21237621 - 02/06/15 11:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

the rocks are probably calcium carbonate added on purpose for the health of the birds.  The plastic ball lids without gaskets are not a good idea, trich spores can easily waft up through the crack and contaminate the jar.  I had this happen once with like 7 out of 8 jars.  I've never used a gasket with the plastic ones, might be good?

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: invitro]
    #21237682 - 02/07/15 12:15 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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the rocks are probably calcium carbonate added on purpose for the health of the birds.  The plastic ball lids without gaskets are not a good idea, trich spores can easily waft up through the crack and contaminate the jar.  I had this happen once with like 7 out of 8 jars.  I've never used a gasket with the plastic ones, might be good?




I disagree. Plenty here have used plastic lids with great success.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21237711 - 02/07/15 12:31 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Tons of people here use plastic lids. All I ever use are plastic lids. And I have never gotten a contam due to technique or lids yet. At least with grain jars. Cleaning up dirty prints on agar, its hard to tell. But I would blame technique every time.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21237847 - 02/07/15 01:39 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Tons of people here use plastic lids. All I ever use are plastic lids. And I have never gotten a contam due to technique or lids yet. At least with grain jars. Cleaning up dirty prints on agar, its hard to tell. But I would blame technique every time.




Which brand do you use?

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21237899 - 02/07/15 02:19 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I use the Mainstays lids from Walmart. I will admit they are kind of a bitch at times. Sometimes they are really damn hard to get off. Especially one handed in an SAB. It isn't too bad if you remember to loosen them a bit before you put them in there. Maybe there is a better brand out there, it might be worth looking into. I haven't used metal lids but they seem like they would be a pain. I wonder how it would work if you siliconed the two parts together or something. Because the metal rings thread on there much nicer than the plastic. I might have to experiment with that sometime.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21237920 - 02/07/15 02:38 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Because the metal rings thread on there much nicer than the plastic. I




They only thread on nicely til the rust, then they're a bitch to get on AND off.

I hate the 2 piece lids for g2g transfers. Esp with the rubber lid that sucks down tight onto the jar lid, then you have to pry it off and possibly touch the underside of the lid with your fingers.

Plastic lids all the way for g2g. They're not water tight for LCs/LIs, but you can get a rubber gasket that will make it water tight.

Another issue with my metal lids is the sharp burs formed from drilling GE holes. Tetanus is scary shit.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21237928 - 02/07/15 02:46 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I really haven't used metal lids that were rusty. I have had my tetanus shots so I'm not too worried about that ha. They both seem to be a bit of a pain then. It might be worth shopping around to find if maybe there are some higher quality plastic kids that will thread better or not warp. I've already made up so many though that unless I start growing a ton more I'm not sure I will mess with it :shrug:


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21238007 - 02/07/15 04:01 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Your mainstay lids warped?

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21238256 - 02/07/15 06:34 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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the rocks are probably calcium carbonate added on purpose for the health of the birds.  The plastic ball lids without gaskets are not a good idea, trich spores can easily waft up through the crack and contaminate the jar.  I had this happen once with like 7 out of 8 jars.  I've never used a gasket with the plastic ones, might be good?




I disagree. Plenty here have used plastic lids with great success.




I pced these grain jars and left the lids on without opening the lids (I was going to get around to it eventually).  I pced them for 2 hours at 15 psi.  I've done this plenty of times with metal lids without problem, all the contams were right at the surface where the lid was, pretty obviously pointing to a problem with the plastic lids, and they were incredibly incredibly tight, I strained like everything to get them off. 

If others are successful I don't know what to tell you, they seem like certain failure for me.  I'd personally really like to get them to work for me but I don't see how that's going to happen.  My environment is particularly heavy with spores, maybe others have cleaner environments and are just getting away with it for that reason.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: invitro]
    #21239505 - 02/07/15 01:33 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Where did you get your lids do you know what brand they were? Are you sure it wasn't your GE filter?


And Eagle I am not sure if they warped or not. I thought they used to screw on easier than they do now. Maybe I just screwed them on too tight when they were hot or something. They don't appear warped. :shrug:


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21239799 - 02/07/15 02:37 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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thisisfielding said:
So using the Franks WBS method I prepared a stock pot full of WBS. It's been soaking for 24 hours. I tried to get the soft boil to happen but it seemed to take a very long time. By the time I think I had correctly soft boiled/simmered it long enough I dumped it out into the two strainers I have. When dumping it I noticed that a bunch of the WBS looked like it turned to mush. Does this mean its ruined? I would equate them to looking almost like grits added into the WBS (soaked in water + 5 cups of coffee + handful of gypsum). Thanks for any help.




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Re: WBS Woes [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #21239824 - 02/07/15 02:42 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

well I use a tek that goes like this and no fail.

get water boiling to a rolling boil.
while you wait. rinse the seeds, put em in a pot remove floaties. rinse til clear.
when your rolling boil is reached, pour seeds in water, stir, cover, REMOVE
from heat, set timer 20mins.
then dump in strainer, rinse with cool water.
set timer for 30mins.

Done

I think it's the foo tek mentioned above

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: midnightmaraude]
    #21239841 - 02/07/15 02:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Pretty much


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21240107 - 02/07/15 03:52 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Where did you get your lids do you know what brand they were? Are you sure it wasn't your GE filter?


And Eagle I am not sure if they warped or not. I thought they used to screw on easier than they do now. Maybe I just screwed them on too tight when they were hot or something. They don't appear warped. :shrug:




I got em on ebay, Ball brand plastic quart lids.  Pretty sure my SFD were good.  I got them from a vendor and they had only been through a pc cycle maybe 1 or 2 or 3 times.  Plus I have tiny sfds for GE and they are on the side of the lid, not the center.  So mold patterns would have been a spot on the side of the sfd, I saw no such pattern though.  I've had sfds from that same batch hold up way way longer than that.  I wouldn't hesitate to use them for dozens of runs. 

It's sort of accepted that plastic ball jars cannot form a perfect seal without a gasket, you're aware of that right?

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: invitro]
    #21240499 - 02/07/15 05:30 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

They don't seem to need any. Maybe the brand you bought just isn't very good. All I know is that I have had zero issues with mine as far as keeping out contams and tons of people here use them with no issues either. :shrug:


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21244976 - 02/08/15 05:56 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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I hate the 2 piece lids for g2g transfers. Esp with the rubber lid that sucks down tight onto the jar lid, then you have to pry it off and possibly touch the underside of the lid with your fingers.



I just scrape that sealant off before I use it so it doesn't stick. A lot of people use the lids upside-down to avoid the sticking but that lets the lid slide around too easily once you take the ring off.

Not having the rubber seal doesn't seem to affect contamination rate. The lid is held on tightly by the ring, except during the inoculation when you take it off.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: Kizzle]
    #21246631 - 02/09/15 04:15 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Good idea with scraping the seal off the lid Kizzle. I always dig your posts.

I just picked up some of the 1 piece metal lids from Aloha Medicinals. They're absolutely awesome! They come pre drilled, so no nasty burs either. Great pricing as well. I suppose I'm done with plastic lids.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21247536 - 02/09/15 10:28 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Didn't know they sold those. I might have to buy those sometime. Nice find.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21257203 - 02/11/15 06:19 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Didn't know they sold those. I might have to buy those sometime. Nice find.




They're amazing. I got there SFD's as well. 90 for about 25 dollars, you can't beat that price anywhere.

The one piece lids come with 2 different hole sizes. I suggest the smaller of the two, which I believe is 5/8 inch, unless you are working with a very fast culture, because grain can tend to dry out before the jar finishes(especially MS inoculations).

I still can't get over the prices. These SFD's will last years. They're THICK. Supposedly they can last 100's of sterilizations without the pore sizes widening at all, unlike other sfd's. I trust Dr. Holiday implicitly, I know he uses only the best.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21257900 - 02/11/15 10:37 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the update Eagle. I think I might have to do that. I have been getting slower colonization than I would like for a while now and I think it might be my filters. One piece metal sounds so nice. :shocked:


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21259346 - 02/11/15 04:04 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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One piece metal sounds so nice.




It definitely is.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21259412 - 02/11/15 04:19 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

This thread shouldnt be called WBS Woes, it should be called "WBS Blows" because WBS Blows. Seriously, that shit is filthy and no fun to work with. Toss it out and get some Rye. If you source your rye properly its just as cheap as WBS. I just paid $25 for a 25lbs bag.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #21259591 - 02/11/15 04:58 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I think it's important to increase the temperature of the water very slowly.  I bring 14 qt of WBS to a boil over a period of about 90 minutes, turning the dial up on the burner a little bit every 15 minutes.  I think burst grains happen as a result of the difference between the temp of the water and the temp of the grains.  Bringing the water to a boil over a long period of time ensures the grains get hot with the water.  This way I don't get burst grains, and my WBS dries a lot more efficiently.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #21259603 - 02/11/15 05:00 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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This thread shouldnt be called WBS Woes, it should be called "WBS Blows" because WBS Blows. Seriously, that shit is filthy and no fun to work with. Toss it out and get some Rye. If you source your rye properly its just as cheap as WBS. I just paid $25 for a 25lbs bag.




I get 25lb of WBS for ~$7.50 at Wal-Mart.  By all means use rye, but WBS will always be cheaper.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: gannondworf]
    #21259757 - 02/11/15 05:31 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I get 50 lbs of oats for 20 dollars at a feed store.

If you live near Tractor Supply Company(TSC) store then check out their grains/feeds/wbs. The prices are better than even walmart, and a far greater selection.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21259767 - 02/11/15 05:33 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

WBS burts, I believe, because the small yellow grain hulls don't stretch with the expanding innards. No amount of pre-soaking or slow simmering will prevent this if you over cook them.

You need to learn the sweet spot with practice. To hydrate, but not to the point of bursting.

It's really not that hard.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21259830 - 02/11/15 05:44 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I've also heard that rye carries alot less endospores than the variety of seeds in WBS brands.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #21260201 - 02/11/15 06:46 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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This thread shouldnt be called WBS Woes, it should be called "WBS Blows" because WBS Blows. Seriously, that shit is filthy and no fun to work with. Toss it out and get some Rye. If you source your rye properly its just as cheap as WBS. I just paid $25 for a 25lbs bag.




:hmm:

WBS is so easy to prep. I put mine in a big pot. Rinse 5-6 times usually. Let it sit for 24 hours. Drain it. Spread it out on newspaper for 30-45 minutes. Load it up and PC. I don't see how it gets easier than that.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21260237 - 02/11/15 06:52 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

to each there own. I tried it a couple times and had a hard time getting it dry enough. That seems to be a common complaint with WBS, but maybe I'm just a moron.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #21260263 - 02/11/15 06:55 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

It always looks too wet before you PC it. I thought I screwed it up the first time I used it.

After you PC it, I like to take it out while it is still hot and give it a good shaking. Let it cool and the next day it will look pretty dry. :shrug:


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21260625 - 02/11/15 08:01 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #21261164 - 02/11/15 09:57 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I just buy a generic brand of wild bird seed From boxmart.  Says it on the bag.

the way that I prepare my wbs is a little different then standard but it has worked for me since I started all those years ago.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21261204 - 02/11/15 10:06 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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PsilocyBen17 said:
This thread shouldnt be called WBS Woes, it should be called "WBS Blows" because WBS Blows. Seriously, that shit is filthy and no fun to work with. Toss it out and get some Rye. If you source your rye properly its just as cheap as WBS. I just paid $25 for a 25lbs bag.




:hmm:

WBS is so easy to prep. I put mine in a big pot. Rinse 5-6 times usually. Let it sit for 24 hours. Drain it. Spread it out on newspaper for 30-45 minutes. Load it up and PC. I don't see how it gets easier than that.




Have you prepped anything other than WBS?

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21261797 - 02/11/15 11:20 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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d0urd3n said:
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PsilocyBen17 said:
This thread shouldnt be called WBS Woes, it should be called "WBS Blows" because WBS Blows. Seriously, that shit is filthy and no fun to work with. Toss it out and get some Rye. If you source your rye properly its just as cheap as WBS. I just paid $25 for a 25lbs bag.




:hmm:

WBS is so easy to prep. I put mine in a big pot. Rinse 5-6 times usually. Let it sit for 24 hours. Drain it. Spread it out on newspaper for 30-45 minutes. Load it up and PC. I don't see how it gets easier than that.




Have you prepped anything other than WBS?




Yeah rye. I haven't hopped on the whole oat bandwagon yet. I might pick some up when I run out of WBS.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21261892 - 02/11/15 11:54 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I literally just came back to say this. I have tried WBS a couple times and everything gets close to starchy or busted all the way. First time with rye and worked perfectly. Literally its ridiculous how much easier and wonderful it is. I think the same size of all the grain is great for water content but the main thing is that the grain is a decent size so you don't have to deal with clumps of millet. Its easier to clean, easier to prepare and while its not cheaper, I would rather be sure with my preparation than waste a day of soaking only to find that the grains are all burst. I love rye so much now.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21261936 - 02/12/15 12:14 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Well I am guessing you boiled your WBS, which doesn't seem to work well for most people. Like you said too many burst grains.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21261976 - 02/12/15 12:28 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Wbs is a decent grain, it's just more expensive for me so I've stopped using it. I'd use it if it were free or very cheap.

I like how I don't have to rinse oat/rye as much as wbs. I hate watching water go down the drain, it's wasteful. Oat/rye are also much easier to hydrate without worrying about busting.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21262065 - 02/12/15 01:13 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

No boil - or apparent boil to me. The 1st batch was super burst and I think it was due to me brining the water heat up to fast. Neither of them were ever boiled though and there was no cracked corn in it either. My faucet gets so hot that it burns your hand so I think I may of cooked them inadvertently by washing the grains before having them soak. I tried two different brands as well,.. I will keep trying it but I've literally followed the directions from Franks WBS tek exactly. Using the whole rye I purchased though resulted in a perfect batch,. not really sure whats up with it. I just now prefer rye as its not messy and works for me.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21262086 - 02/12/15 01:24 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Hey whatever works. A lot of people claim rye is an overall better grain. I like both I just can get WBS for a bit cheaper and it's faster for me to prep. I need to check around some feed stores and see if I can get some better deals though.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21262358 - 02/12/15 04:57 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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PsilocyBen17 said:
This thread shouldnt be called WBS Woes, it should be called "WBS Blows" because WBS Blows. Seriously, that shit is filthy and no fun to work with. Toss it out and get some Rye. If you source your rye properly its just as cheap as WBS. I just paid $25 for a 25lbs bag.




:hmm:

WBS is so easy to prep. I put mine in a big pot. Rinse 5-6 times usually. Let it sit for 24 hours. Drain it. Spread it out on newspaper for 30-45 minutes. Load it up and PC. I don't see how it gets easier than that.



You can skip the spreading it out on newspaper.....just strain for the same amount of time.....and to address the enormously bias/ignorant post above, $1 a pound is not cheap by any means....I get 40lbs of WBS from menards for like $14....and it's always been super easy and perfectly fine to work with....plus it gives triple the inoculation points as rye.....

I can soak WBS for 6-8 hours in hot tap water, strain for 30 minutes, load my jars and PC.......no boil, no simmer......it cannot get much easier....

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: PussyFart]
    #21262405 - 02/12/15 05:25 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I'm going to try that method! I think the simmer is really where it all goes to shit. Thanks for the advice!

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: PussyFart]
    #21263072 - 02/12/15 09:49 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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PsilocyBen17 said:
This thread shouldnt be called WBS Woes, it should be called "WBS Blows" because WBS Blows. Seriously, that shit is filthy and no fun to work with. Toss it out and get some Rye. If you source your rye properly its just as cheap as WBS. I just paid $25 for a 25lbs bag.




:hmm:

WBS is so easy to prep. I put mine in a big pot. Rinse 5-6 times usually. Let it sit for 24 hours. Drain it. Spread it out on newspaper for 30-45 minutes. Load it up and PC. I don't see how it gets easier than that.



You can skip the spreading it out on newspaper.....just strain for the same amount of time.....and to address the enormously bias/ignorant post above, $1 a pound is not cheap by any means....I get 40lbs of WBS from menards for like $14....and it's always been super easy and perfectly fine to work with....plus it gives triple the inoculation points as rye.....

I can soak WBS for 6-8 hours in hot tap water, strain for 30 minutes, load my jars and PC.......no boil, no simmer......it cannot get much easier....




I don't have a strainer that has small enough holes. I just use a screen over my pot to strain out the water. I might have to make a big strainer from the screen sometime. If I was PCing grain every day I would definitely find something better than the newspaper, but it works alright for now. :shrug:


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21338879 - 02/27/15 03:03 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Just thought I'd add that despite all the starch, look at them go :lol:

They'd probably be done by now if I could shake them but I couldn't even do that before they started colonizing. I was reading the ingredients and there some additives, vitamin supplements and vegetable oil, I suspect is part of the reason they're so damn sticky.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21339292 - 02/27/15 04:37 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I literally just came back to say this. I have tried WBS a couple times and everything gets close to starchy or busted all the way. First time with rye and worked perfectly. Literally its ridiculous how much easier and wonderful it is. I think the same size of all the grain is great for water content but the main thing is that the grain is a decent size so you don't have to deal with clumps of millet. Its easier to clean, easier to prepare and while its not cheaper, I would rather be sure with my preparation than waste a day of soaking only to find that the grains are all burst. I love rye so much now.





THIS! You said it man.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: Kizzle]
    #21339454 - 02/27/15 05:18 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Just thought I'd add that despite all the starch, look at them go :lol:

They'd probably be done by now if I could shake them but I couldn't even do that before they started colonizing. I was reading the ingredients and there some additives, vitamin supplements and vegetable oil, I suspect is part of the reason they're so damn sticky.





Am I missing something here? That cake on the right is very contaminated....


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #21341900 - 02/28/15 08:27 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The two jars on the right are green tinted if that's what you're talking about. I didn't notice until I had already bought them :tongue:


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