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invitro

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invitro said: the rocks are probably calcium carbonate added on purpose for the health of the birds. The plastic ball lids without gaskets are not a good idea, trich spores can easily waft up through the crack and contaminate the jar. I had this happen once with like 7 out of 8 jars. I've never used a gasket with the plastic ones, might be good?
I disagree. Plenty here have used plastic lids with great success.
I pced these grain jars and left the lids on without opening the lids (I was going to get around to it eventually). I pced them for 2 hours at 15 psi. I've done this plenty of times with metal lids without problem, all the contams were right at the surface where the lid was, pretty obviously pointing to a problem with the plastic lids, and they were incredibly incredibly tight, I strained like everything to get them off.
If others are successful I don't know what to tell you, they seem like certain failure for me. I'd personally really like to get them to work for me but I don't see how that's going to happen. My environment is particularly heavy with spores, maybe others have cleaner environments and are just getting away with it for that reason.
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d0urd3n
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Re: WBS Woes [Re: invitro]
#21239505 - 02/07/15 01:33 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Where did you get your lids do you know what brand they were? Are you sure it wasn't your GE filter?
And Eagle I am not sure if they warped or not. I thought they used to screw on easier than they do now. Maybe I just screwed them on too tight when they were hot or something. They don't appear warped.
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SpitballJedi
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thisisfielding said: So using the Franks WBS method I prepared a stock pot full of WBS. It's been soaking for 24 hours. I tried to get the soft boil to happen but it seemed to take a very long time. By the time I think I had correctly soft boiled/simmered it long enough I dumped it out into the two strainers I have. When dumping it I noticed that a bunch of the WBS looked like it turned to mush. Does this mean its ruined? I would equate them to looking almost like grits added into the WBS (soaked in water + 5 cups of coffee + handful of gypsum). Thanks for any help.
IMHO and IMOE, These 2 teks are better No cook WBS How Foo Prepares Wild Bird Seed
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midnightmaraude
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well I use a tek that goes like this and no fail.
get water boiling to a rolling boil. while you wait. rinse the seeds, put em in a pot remove floaties. rinse til clear. when your rolling boil is reached, pour seeds in water, stir, cover, REMOVE from heat, set timer 20mins. then dump in strainer, rinse with cool water. set timer for 30mins.
Done
I think it's the foo tek mentioned above
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SpitballJedi
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Pretty much
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invitro

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
#21240107 - 02/07/15 03:52 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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d0urd3n said: Where did you get your lids do you know what brand they were? Are you sure it wasn't your GE filter?
And Eagle I am not sure if they warped or not. I thought they used to screw on easier than they do now. Maybe I just screwed them on too tight when they were hot or something. They don't appear warped. 
I got em on ebay, Ball brand plastic quart lids. Pretty sure my SFD were good. I got them from a vendor and they had only been through a pc cycle maybe 1 or 2 or 3 times. Plus I have tiny sfds for GE and they are on the side of the lid, not the center. So mold patterns would have been a spot on the side of the sfd, I saw no such pattern though. I've had sfds from that same batch hold up way way longer than that. I wouldn't hesitate to use them for dozens of runs.
It's sort of accepted that plastic ball jars cannot form a perfect seal without a gasket, you're aware of that right?
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d0urd3n
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Re: WBS Woes [Re: invitro]
#21240499 - 02/07/15 05:30 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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They don't seem to need any. Maybe the brand you bought just isn't very good. All I know is that I have had zero issues with mine as far as keeping out contams and tons of people here use them with no issues either.
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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
#21244976 - 02/08/15 05:56 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hate the 2 piece lids for g2g transfers. Esp with the rubber lid that sucks down tight onto the jar lid, then you have to pry it off and possibly touch the underside of the lid with your fingers.
I just scrape that sealant off before I use it so it doesn't stick. A lot of people use the lids upside-down to avoid the sticking but that lets the lid slide around too easily once you take the ring off.
Not having the rubber seal doesn't seem to affect contamination rate. The lid is held on tightly by the ring, except during the inoculation when you take it off.
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: WBS Woes [Re: Kizzle]
#21246631 - 02/09/15 04:15 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good idea with scraping the seal off the lid Kizzle. I always dig your posts.
I just picked up some of the 1 piece metal lids from Aloha Medicinals. They're absolutely awesome! They come pre drilled, so no nasty burs either. Great pricing as well. I suppose I'm done with plastic lids.
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d0urd3n
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Didn't know they sold those. I might have to buy those sometime. Nice find.
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
#21257203 - 02/11/15 06:19 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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d0urd3n said: Didn't know they sold those. I might have to buy those sometime. Nice find.
They're amazing. I got there SFD's as well. 90 for about 25 dollars, you can't beat that price anywhere.
The one piece lids come with 2 different hole sizes. I suggest the smaller of the two, which I believe is 5/8 inch, unless you are working with a very fast culture, because grain can tend to dry out before the jar finishes(especially MS inoculations).
I still can't get over the prices. These SFD's will last years. They're THICK. Supposedly they can last 100's of sterilizations without the pore sizes widening at all, unlike other sfd's. I trust Dr. Holiday implicitly, I know he uses only the best.
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d0urd3n
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Thanks for the update Eagle. I think I might have to do that. I have been getting slower colonization than I would like for a while now and I think it might be my filters. One piece metal sounds so nice.
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
#21259346 - 02/11/15 04:04 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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One piece metal sounds so nice.
It definitely is.
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PsilocyBen17
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This thread shouldnt be called WBS Woes, it should be called "WBS Blows" because WBS Blows. Seriously, that shit is filthy and no fun to work with. Toss it out and get some Rye. If you source your rye properly its just as cheap as WBS. I just paid $25 for a 25lbs bag.
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gannondworf
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I think it's important to increase the temperature of the water very slowly. I bring 14 qt of WBS to a boil over a period of about 90 minutes, turning the dial up on the burner a little bit every 15 minutes. I think burst grains happen as a result of the difference between the temp of the water and the temp of the grains. Bringing the water to a boil over a long period of time ensures the grains get hot with the water. This way I don't get burst grains, and my WBS dries a lot more efficiently.
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gannondworf
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PsilocyBen17 said: This thread shouldnt be called WBS Woes, it should be called "WBS Blows" because WBS Blows. Seriously, that shit is filthy and no fun to work with. Toss it out and get some Rye. If you source your rye properly its just as cheap as WBS. I just paid $25 for a 25lbs bag.
I get 25lb of WBS for ~$7.50 at Wal-Mart. By all means use rye, but WBS will always be cheaper.
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TheEaglesGift
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I get 50 lbs of oats for 20 dollars at a feed store.
If you live near Tractor Supply Company(TSC) store then check out their grains/feeds/wbs. The prices are better than even walmart, and a far greater selection.
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TheEaglesGift
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WBS burts, I believe, because the small yellow grain hulls don't stretch with the expanding innards. No amount of pre-soaking or slow simmering will prevent this if you over cook them.
You need to learn the sweet spot with practice. To hydrate, but not to the point of bursting.
It's really not that hard.
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PsilocyBen17
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I've also heard that rye carries alot less endospores than the variety of seeds in WBS brands.
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d0urd3n
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PsilocyBen17 said: This thread shouldnt be called WBS Woes, it should be called "WBS Blows" because WBS Blows. Seriously, that shit is filthy and no fun to work with. Toss it out and get some Rye. If you source your rye properly its just as cheap as WBS. I just paid $25 for a 25lbs bag.

WBS is so easy to prep. I put mine in a big pot. Rinse 5-6 times usually. Let it sit for 24 hours. Drain it. Spread it out on newspaper for 30-45 minutes. Load it up and PC. I don't see how it gets easier than that.
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