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WBS Woes
    #21233465 - 02/06/15 12:31 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

So using the Franks WBS method I prepared a stock pot full of WBS. It's been soaking for 24 hours. I tried to get the soft boil to happen but it seemed to take a very long time. By the time I think I had correctly soft boiled/simmered it long enough I dumped it out into the two strainers I have. When dumping it I noticed that a bunch of the WBS looked like it turned to mush. Does this mean its ruined? I would equate them to looking almost like grits added into the WBS (soaked in water + 5 cups of coffee + handful of gypsum). Thanks for any help.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21233488 - 02/06/15 12:42 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

it is supposed to look like seeds not mash. any ideas yourself? heat maybe? did they get stirred up so the seeds that started on the bottom weren't exposed to direct heat for a long time.

can tell it wasn't the 24 hour soak, the simmering seems to be the next thing you tried so that seems to be the issue. first time using the tek?


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: filthyknees]
    #21233498 - 02/06/15 12:47 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Just don't simmer next time. Just spread it out on newspaper and then move it around again in like 20 mins. Wait another 2o to 30 minutes and then throw it in jars. It will still be wet on the outside, but after the PC run the grains will absorb the water. When the jars are still hot I like to take them out and shake a bit which helps them keep absorbing water I find. Mine end up rolling around like BB's.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: filthyknees]
    #21233502 - 02/06/15 12:48 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

They are ruined if you want to go make master jars out of them, you might salvage them for a muda bottle tek, whats your plan?

Edited by invitro (02/06/15 12:48 AM)

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: invitro]
    #21233547 - 02/06/15 01:11 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for all the fast replies. They have been soaking for about 30ish hours at this point. I used two different WBS brands as one had a ridiculous amount of sunflowers in them (most of them floaters and removed them using a hand strainer) and the other had cracked corn in it. I kept stirring the stock pots but as I was doing that I felt like every time I did that I couldn't tell if the water was "simmering" or "boiling". If I stopped stirring them then I could tell easier what the water temperature was. I do have an All American PC to use with the jars which is also new. This is the first time I've done his tek, I used to be on "nansnook" or "the nook" about 10 years ago. Right before I quit my cultivation hobby I did a "popcorn" run to some success.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21233558 - 02/06/15 01:15 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I forgot to mention - 2 stock pots, one for each brand of WBS. The ruined batch was the one without the cracked corn, so now I am even more concerned about messing up the other batch. I also did notice on the first stockpot with the ruined WBS at the bottom it looked like almost burnt seed (probably from increasing the heat). Those who simmer, do you slowly raise the heat or just kick it to the medium high until it simmers? I had the stockpot filled to the brim with the water/gypsum/coffee mix. I'm worried on the untouched batch that it takes too long for the water to come to a simmer and that it'll end up doing the same thing. Would you guys say that rye berries are easier to deal with?

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21233580 - 02/06/15 01:30 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

rhy easier than wbs? nah man, search a user named fooman, his wbs method is the easiest I've seen and had success with.

in the past I turned up to med-high for simmer, stirring occasionally.


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That it's one thing to try and another to fly
You get there quicker just a step at a time
It's one thing to bark, another to bite
The show ain't over till you pack up at night

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: invitro]
    #21233613 - 02/06/15 01:50 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I simmer my wbs for almost 30 minutes without it turning to mush.

Were you mixing constantly while it cooked? It's important to in my experience .

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21233624 - 02/06/15 01:56 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I was stirring it but then I couldn't tell when it was "simmering" so I just stopped for a bit then waited for the water to seemingly start to soft boil then let it go for a couple minutes then turned the heat off. I wouldn't say that it was more than 20 minutes on the stove,.. but I think my heat may of been higher than half way - probably closer to the max. I started to worry that I had too much water in the stock pot which made it longer to warm up, so I turned up the heat,.. then it seemed that as I stirred it I could never tell if it was actually simmering or not so I stopped,.. once the water started to very lightly boil I left it on the stove for a few minutes (4ish) then took it off to strain.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21233716 - 02/06/15 03:14 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I guess for round 2 you're going to have to be a little more careful. :shrug:

It took me quite awhile til I really felt comfortable with my grain prep. Now I can do it in my sleep.

Good luck. :thumbup:

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21236083 - 02/06/15 04:53 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't worry too much about sunflower seeds. I don't even try to remove them. Even the cracked corn isn't so bad if it's in relatively small amounts. There are some brands that just suck though. My most recent bad experience was trying Pennington Wild Finch Blend. In the end it turned out very much like you described.

No I didn't fill it to the top. That's a layer of exploded mushy grains stuck to the sides :lol:

For comparison this is Morning Song Wild Bird Food prepared using the exact same method.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: Kizzle]
    #21237383 - 02/06/15 10:23 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Pennington is exactly what I used. I think I was trying to be TOO careful honestly. I'm just going to reset and see what to do. Just such a pain when having that much ruined and also very discouraging. My sink does get so hot that it burns you if you have it at the highest setting, I wonder if using that high heat cooked it more than typical sinks do. I also found some random rocks (or maybe concrete) in the mix, they're really small but still odd.  Also another random question - I received plastic canning jar lids in the mail today and they didn't have any gaskets on the lid. Can I still use them or do I need to find gaskets for the lids? Its the "ball plastic storage lids". I hope I didn't just purchase 3 sets of the wrong type of lids. :confused:

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: thisisfielding]
    #21237621 - 02/06/15 11:45 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

the rocks are probably calcium carbonate added on purpose for the health of the birds.  The plastic ball lids without gaskets are not a good idea, trich spores can easily waft up through the crack and contaminate the jar.  I had this happen once with like 7 out of 8 jars.  I've never used a gasket with the plastic ones, might be good?

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: invitro]
    #21237682 - 02/07/15 12:15 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

invitro said:
the rocks are probably calcium carbonate added on purpose for the health of the birds.  The plastic ball lids without gaskets are not a good idea, trich spores can easily waft up through the crack and contaminate the jar.  I had this happen once with like 7 out of 8 jars.  I've never used a gasket with the plastic ones, might be good?




I disagree. Plenty here have used plastic lids with great success.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21237711 - 02/07/15 12:31 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Tons of people here use plastic lids. All I ever use are plastic lids. And I have never gotten a contam due to technique or lids yet. At least with grain jars. Cleaning up dirty prints on agar, its hard to tell. But I would blame technique every time.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21237847 - 02/07/15 01:39 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

d0urd3n said:
Tons of people here use plastic lids. All I ever use are plastic lids. And I have never gotten a contam due to technique or lids yet. At least with grain jars. Cleaning up dirty prints on agar, its hard to tell. But I would blame technique every time.




Which brand do you use?

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21237899 - 02/07/15 02:19 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I use the Mainstays lids from Walmart. I will admit they are kind of a bitch at times. Sometimes they are really damn hard to get off. Especially one handed in an SAB. It isn't too bad if you remember to loosen them a bit before you put them in there. Maybe there is a better brand out there, it might be worth looking into. I haven't used metal lids but they seem like they would be a pain. I wonder how it would work if you siliconed the two parts together or something. Because the metal rings thread on there much nicer than the plastic. I might have to experiment with that sometime.


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21237920 - 02/07/15 02:38 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Because the metal rings thread on there much nicer than the plastic. I




They only thread on nicely til the rust, then they're a bitch to get on AND off.

I hate the 2 piece lids for g2g transfers. Esp with the rubber lid that sucks down tight onto the jar lid, then you have to pry it off and possibly touch the underside of the lid with your fingers.

Plastic lids all the way for g2g. They're not water tight for LCs/LIs, but you can get a rubber gasket that will make it water tight.

Another issue with my metal lids is the sharp burs formed from drilling GE holes. Tetanus is scary shit.

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Re: WBS Woes [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21237928 - 02/07/15 02:46 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I really haven't used metal lids that were rusty. I have had my tetanus shots so I'm not too worried about that ha. They both seem to be a bit of a pain then. It might be worth shopping around to find if maybe there are some higher quality plastic kids that will thread better or not warp. I've already made up so many though that unless I start growing a ton more I'm not sure I will mess with it :shrug:


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Re: WBS Woes [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21238007 - 02/07/15 04:01 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Your mainstay lids warped?

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