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OfflineDailyPot
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The Bible and Pot
    #2123070 - 11/19/03 04:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

After alittle bit of research I realized I was going to have to ask the experts this :tongue:

Is the bible pro or anti pot? It seems alot of people feel strongly both ways and have quotes or versus or w/e proving they're right. Well I'm far from a bible expert so not really sure which side it is. Anybody know or have any idea? I think this is gonig to turn into a discusion thread hehe. Everytime I asked a group this question it became a 50/50 argument :crazy:


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: DailyPot]
    #2123106 - 11/19/03 05:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Really? I'm curious what passages might be "quoted" to enforce the belief that the Bible is pro-marijuana. While I'm 100% certain it never mentions weed specifically, the only general principles from the Bible I can think of, that might relate to the subject, are along the lines of "Your body is a temple dedicated to God and should be kept pure."

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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: DailyPot]
    #2123116 - 11/19/03 05:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Every<strike>thing</strike> time I asked a group this question it became a 50/50 argument  :crazy:



That's probably because there isn't any verses in the bible that specifically deal with marijuana directly...and as such - people tend to look at ambigious verses that could potentially deal with *any* issue, and then try to use em as proof to support their argument 


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: BigNerd]
    #2123132 - 11/19/03 05:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Really? While I'm 100% certain it never mentions weed specifically




http://www.hempbc.com/magazine/mayjune96/kanehbosm.html


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #2123168 - 11/19/03 05:26 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"Toketh not on the Sabbath."


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: Swami]
    #2123209 - 11/19/03 05:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

> Toketh not on the Sabbath

...unless you can find a gentile to light the match for you.

The two agruments that I have heard basically boil down to:

1) God gave us all the plants and animals to do with as we please.
2) God told us that our body is our temple, and it best if we not mess it up.

The bible is full of ambiguities and contradictions... even worse when single lines are taken out of context and used to make a point.  I personally follow the example we were given... a parent cannot keep a child out of trouble forever... you have to let a child loose and expect them to make mistakes before they learn.  We were given this freedom, and yet we try to take it away from each other...  :confused:


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: Seuss]
    #2123246 - 11/19/03 05:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

2) God told us that our body is our temple, and it best if we not mess it up.

True, but go into any church and notice the obese people who severely shorten their life while decrying marijuana usage. Standard hypocrisy.


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #2123313 - 11/19/03 06:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting, I will spend more time looking into that link when I have time to spend.  :tongue2:


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: BigNerd]
    #2123328 - 11/19/03 06:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

> True, but go into any church and notice the obese people who severely shorten their life while decrying marijuana usage. Standard hypocrisy.

Yes, but I addressed that in your other post.  :grin:

It is sad that people live by, "do as I say, not as I do"...  :frown:


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: DailyPot]
    #2123348 - 11/19/03 06:26 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)



Not exactly sure what it means but it doesn't look too bad.  :wink: 


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: ]
    #2123463 - 11/19/03 07:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Or you can just do like me? How bout not caring what the bible says? How bout not caring what anybody says!!?? No?...what?... going to Hell!??....Not up to spending life how YOU enjoy eh?....Well it would be pretty funny if you die go to heaven and when you ask for God they tell you he's at his Pot garden :nonono::spliff:


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: Spokesman]
    #2123494 - 11/19/03 07:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

How bout not caring what anybody says!!??

Conceptually that is fine, but one's lack of concern does not stop the Gestapo from stripping you of life and liberty over nothing.


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: DailyPot]
    #2123548 - 11/19/03 08:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Genesis 1:12 And to you, I give all the seed bearing plants on earth to use.

(quoted from a cypress hill song, so it might be a little off....but thats basically what it says.)


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: ]
    #2123556 - 11/19/03 08:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: ]
    #2123654 - 11/19/03 08:57 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

In Genesis the recipe for the Holy Oil of Annointment is given. Most bibles translate one of the ingredients as Calamnus(acorus)this from the original word Keneh-bosum. Arguements supporting Calamnus as an ingredient do not hold up. However the logical conclusion in comparing the word Keneh-bosum with the modern word Cannabis is a no brainer when the historical context of those ancient times is rife with Cannabis usage.
Also when the bible was "edited" and reduced to the form we have today the church's motives of control were not served by a population of "Gnostics" who had the means to learn of God on their own,without the church. As a result the references which once existed were likely removed.
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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: ]
    #2123828 - 11/19/03 10:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

dude that is awesome, Is that really in the bible? If so do you know what book, and chapter that is?


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2123856 - 11/19/03 10:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's the old texts that were translated that had the word keneh-bosum.. in our bibles that comes out as calamnus, so you aren't gonna find it in your bible. And like he said, it's in Genesis.


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #2123874 - 11/19/03 10:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

keneh-bosum
is a start but I would look into Chris Bennets work called "Green gold, Tree of Life" for the etymology of the word Keneh-bosum and the research which supports this premise.
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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #2142328 - 11/28/03 04:19 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

BigNerd said:
Really?  I'm curious what passages might be "quoted" to enforce the belief that the Bible is pro-marijuana.  While I'm 100% certain it never mentions weed specifically, the only general principles from the Bible I can think of, that might relate to the subject, are along the lines of "Your body is a temple dedicated to God and should be kept pure."

BN 



I didn't save links but I remeber this one on Erowid http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_spirit2.shtml

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Mystical_Craven said:
Quote:

Everything time I asked a group this question it became a 50/50 argument  :crazy:






*fixed* thanks

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Swami said:
2) God told us that our body is our temple, and it best if we not mess it up.

True, but go into any church and notice the obese people who severely shorten their life while decrying marijuana usage. Standard hypocrisy. 



The bible actually speaks against obesity, or maybe its eating alot.

Wow, that Kaneh link is most informative :thumbup:


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Re: The Bible and Pot [Re: DailyPot]
    #2142357 - 11/28/03 04:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Here are some verses that I think are good:

Genesis 9:3
Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants,
I now give you everything.

Colossians 2
8See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which
depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a
religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the
things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone
who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such
a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him
up with idle notions. 19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body,
supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you
still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21"Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not
touch!"? 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human
commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their
self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they
lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

Romans 14
13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to
put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14As one who is in the Lord
Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food[2] is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards
something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15 If your brother is distressed because
of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your
brother for whom Christ died. 16Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as
evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of
righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in
this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. 19Let us therefore make every effort to do
what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the
sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes
someone else to stumble. 21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else
that will cause your brother to fall. 22So whatever you believe about these things keep
between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he
approves. 23But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not
from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

Acts 5:29b
"We must obey God rather than men!"

Acts 11:9B
"Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Mark 7
7They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.' 8You have let go of the commands of God
and are holding on to the traditions of men." 9And he said to them: "You have a fine way of
setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
14Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand
this. 15Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what
comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.' 18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see
that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19 For it doesn't go
into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus
declared all foods "clean.")


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