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OfflinePositronius
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Panoramix]
    #2141645 - 11/28/03 04:18 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

any civilization with power is fucked, power is judged by how many humans your civilization can kill.


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OfflinePanoramix
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Positronius]
    #2141669 - 11/28/03 05:18 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

I disagree. Power is determined by how many human beings you can control. Hence the evolution towards subtler forms of manipulation in 'industrialized' nations. Keeps the herd under control. Keep 'em afraid, mind you, nervious, but never let 'em panic.


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Offlineergot
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Panoramix]
    #2142369 - 11/28/03 02:48 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

So, the Aztecs would overpower another neighboring tribe and then sacrifice them? Sounds a lot like evolution to me.

It's neither savage, enlightened, or anything else. It simply is.


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OfflinePositronius
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: ergot]
    #2143380 - 11/28/03 11:07 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

panoramix

"I disagree. Power is determined by how many human beings you can control. Hence the evolution towards subtler forms of manipulation in 'industrialized' nations. Keeps the herd under control. Keep 'em afraid, mind you, nervious, but never let 'em panic."

yeah, but control is often synonymous with violence. I disagree with your second point. Look at modern capitalist nation-states, people arent controlled through fear, they are controlled (and inspired) by a sense of false-impowerment.


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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Positronius]
    #2143397 - 11/28/03 11:13 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

consume.. conform... watch this.. sleep.. wake up..

Do you ever feel like cars are blood cells driving in the veins of a big.. monster? And that we are the food to feed this horrible beast? Sometimes, when I'm enlightened I think so, but.. I'm not enlightened right now.

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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143425 - 11/28/03 11:22 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

"Do you ever feel like cars are blood cells driving in the veins of a big.. monster? And that we are the food to feed this horrible beast? Sometimes, when I'm enlightened I think so, but.. I'm not enlightened right now."

I actually like the humor of this a lot. But, which perception of reality is really the lie? You say it is wrong now, but that's because you aren't enlightened right now... :wink:


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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: ergot]
    #2143431 - 11/28/03 11:23 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

"I am a cat."
-my friend on mushrooms.

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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143443 - 11/28/03 11:28 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Not every altered perception of reality is plausible, but that doesn't necessarily disqualify all.


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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: ergot]
    #2143480 - 11/28/03 11:42 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

dizope to the wizope

Edited by Mixomatosis (11/28/03 11:43 PM)

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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: ergot]
    #2143482 - 11/28/03 11:42 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

some fine mushroom trippnig quotes:

"Do I have to shit?"
"War is a game of chance where you try not to occupy the same space as metal"
"My gums feel weird"
"Life is crawling around in other people's pubic hairs"
"money is existence translated into currency"

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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2143493 - 11/28/03 11:47 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Hahaha. You must be a direct descendent of Jesus H. Christ himself. :wink: The 1st one is usually "Did I just shit?" for me. And the 2nd and 5th are almost sorta profound.


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: ergot]
    #2143517 - 11/28/03 11:57 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Most mushroom quotes qualify as "sorta profound"

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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Panoramix]
    #2143827 - 11/29/03 05:17 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:


I disagree. Power is determined by how many human beings you can control. Hence the evolution towards subtler forms of manipulation in 'industrialized' nations. Keeps the herd under control. Keep 'em afraid, mind you, nervious, but never let 'em panic.




Power has a lot more definition than just how many people you can control. I have the power to decide if I want to get on the computer or not, I have the power to decide what music I want to listen to. While I might not have the physical power to run twenty five miles at once, I do have enough power to run a few.

Power is having the choice to do a certain action. While I don't have the power to launch some missles, there are people that do have the power to do so. If I worked at a corporation, I may or may not have the power to fire someone, but the thing is that there is that power there, it is just who has access to it.

I would like to add that one might have the power to control people, but that doesn't mean that that power is always misused. If you do want to control them, you can't push a button to make them do something, you have to manipulate them to want to do it. (this is what you were saying, I know, I just thought I would add something. hehe)

Where there is the ability to do some sort of action, there lies power. There is nothing wrong with power. The problem is when people develop an addiction to having power or they feel to misuse it (which, I guess, could only be defined as doing something that contradicts the reasons why that person was granted that power in the first place). Just like cars can get us places faster but can also kill, and just like how everything has an advantage and a disadvantage.

Technically, there is no right or wrong. There is only a difference in two different groups ideas. To the Spanish, they saw the Aztecs as being heathens, the whole sacrificing bit, etc, and of course, the Aztecs probably didn't hold too high of an opinion of the Spanish. They decided to do something forceful about the difference of ideas.

The great thing about this day and age is that most people have the same basis in ideas globally. We have went through all of the shit on our own and finally learned to you know, somewhat coexist with each other. We're closer now to a unified people as we've ever been. Granted, there is still A HELL OF A LOT OF SHIT that has to be worked out. I'm not denying that. But what I am saying is that we are in a position now where peace is possible if we decide to let our pieces of the same puzzle that we assembled on our own fit together with everyone else's. The picture isn't complete until all of the pieces are connected... :grin:
Peace. 


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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