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OfflineMixomatosis
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The Aztecs were fucked
    #2122905 - 11/19/03 03:49 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

anyway ya slice it, they were fucked. What's with all this stuff about how cortez was such a bastard for wiping them out? If you were in his shoes, what would you do if you encountered a civilization that ripped people's hearts out and fed them to their cruel gods? If you came across an aztec priest cooking a human arm over a fire, wearing the skin of his victims, would you think "oh, this guy might be an enlightened spiritual leader, I better listen to him and not kill him."?

Mesoamerican politics at the time were like this: The aztecs lived in a city on an island in a lake and militarily dominated all the civilizations around them. To keep their power they terrorrized the others by eating them, sacrificing them, killing them, blah blah blah. Is this what an enlightened civilization would do? And why didn't their mushroom tripping convince them to give all this up, while we're on the subject.


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2122907 - 11/19/03 03:50 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

Wow.. it sounds just like the U.S., minus the wearing the skin part.


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: nubious]
    #2122912 - 11/19/03 03:53 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

not all were like you percieve. you lack information, my child. read the book Aztec, and ye shall have new sight. Until then, dont read historical textbooks because they lie.


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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: LikwidDrawp]
    #2122932 - 11/19/03 04:00 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

Ah, likwidwrap, my young apprentice, you foolishly underestimate me. And you're wrong about the aztecs. They were like that. Textbooks may lie, but I doubt that as I've seen the victims with my own eyes.


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OfflineLikwidDrawp
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2122934 - 11/19/03 04:02 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

Have you read aztec?

Ive read many textbooks.. they even say the civil war was over slaves!!! lol


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: LikwidDrawp]
    #2122951 - 11/19/03 04:06 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

'His-story' is written by the victors. One must learn to read between the lines of 'his-story' books.

Our civilization is not so enlightened as you think. We burned 'witches' at the stakes. We bought and sold other human beings into slavery. We killed the indigenous people of the 'new world' and stole their land. We went on 'crusades' ... wars and killing in the name of God.


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: LikwidDrawp]
    #2122955 - 11/19/03 04:07 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

mixley was a good man.

cortez and those damn catholics were just as bad as the Aztecs tho...

not ALL aztecs were bad thats too generalized. im sure they would have all partaken in blood sacrifice given the chance and proper predisposition.


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: guitarmon]
    #2122958 - 11/19/03 04:08 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

yes, all civilizations were moronic at some point.

some, still are.


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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: LikwidDrawp]
    #2122959 - 11/19/03 04:09 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

Nope, I haven't read "aztec" but I've been to:

Teotihuacan
Monte Alban
The Oaxacan museum
The site of tenochtitlan (museum)
Mexico city's museo de anthropologia
City of the ticks in Belize
Tikal
Copan,
And I toured the cave of the stone sepulchur in Belize

So I'm familiar with it. What was your argument again? Something about how they didn't sacrifice people?


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2122964 - 11/19/03 04:11 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

Only fools judge entire cultures of people as "fucked".


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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2122969 - 11/19/03 04:13 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

"Our civilization is not so enlightened as you think."

Please, for the LOVE OF GOD point out where I claimed "our" civilization is or was enlightened.

"cortez and those damn catholics were just as bad as the Aztecs tho..."

This I don't disagree with. I guess you and I agree that the aztecs were pretty fuckin brutal then, if you say that they were just as bad as the catholics and cortez. This is kinda my point.. why do we always rip on the catholics and forget that the aztecs were just as fucked?


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2122972 - 11/19/03 04:15 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

"Only fools judge entire cultures of people as "fucked"."

Exactly what I'm saying. Why do we have this anti-cortez thing? Everywhere I look people are like "the conquistadores were such evil murderous bastards!"


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: LikwidDrawp]
    #2122973 - 11/19/03 04:15 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

Look, just because you dont understand a culture does not make what they did wrong. Animals have just as much right to live as we do so animal sacrifice is no better.

It's true that history is biased, take WW2 the RAF squadron commander's main strategy was to bomb the living shite out of germany regardless of civilians in the area. Never hear about that sort of thing.


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Oook]
    #2122981 - 11/19/03 04:17 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

"Animals have just as much right to live as we do so animal sacrifice is no better."

Whew! with such a stunning rebuttal to claims that animal sacrifice is better than human sacrifice I'm glad nobody made ANY remarks WHATSOEVER on the subject in this thread.


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2122987 - 11/19/03 04:19 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

ok mixo, whatever you want to think.

however, history is only what has been passed down and (hopefully) not torn apart like many other forms of historical records. I am aware that there was much human sacrfice, but your generalizing too much. Hows this?

Your right, they were all fucked. I'm glad their gone.

Wait a second, I still question everything. Remeber, never stop questioning, especially your own sanity.


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Oook]
    #2122990 - 11/19/03 04:20 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

Right. There are always different groups of people within cultures that aren't like your mental model of them.

People aren't neccessarily saying that the Aztecs were better than the Spanairds, its just that the Spanish wiped out the Aztec.


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2123006 - 11/19/03 04:26 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

here's a question: were the Olmec of African decescent?



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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: chunder]
    #2123011 - 11/19/03 04:27 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

Geez guys, come on, I'm just getting a discussion going, don't be so insanely fragile. I say that the aztecs were murderous bastards. You have every right to challenge that claim with any information you may have. I also say that we remember history lopsided and easily forget that the aztecs were, by our modern standards, a pretty fucked-up group of people, and instead we focus our dislike towards cortez. What's with that?


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2123019 - 11/19/03 04:30 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

"here's a question: were the Olmec of African decescent?"

Here's a question: Are alternative history books like Fingerprints of the Gods bestselling because they have solid information in them or because the foolish masses find conventional history too "boring."?


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Re: The Aztecs were fucked [Re: chunder]
    #2123020 - 11/19/03 04:30 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

Mixomatosis said:
instead we focus our dislike towards cortez. What's with that?




Quote:

chunder said:
its just that the Spanish wiped out the Aztec.




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