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Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? 2
#21223353 - 02/03/15 09:04 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not talking about solipsism by the way because I definitely don't believe that I'm the only one with who experiences consciousness.
But I always have this feeling of intense connectedness with everything that exists. It's not even connectedness really, it's more of a feeling of being completely at home and eternally being with myself all the time. It feels like there's no such thing as strangers because it's all me.
Like if I just look at other people, or even animals, I literally see myself staring back. Strange. Even if I'm in a room with thousands of other strangers, I still feel like I'm just by myself. If I observe someone who is having an experience of whatever kind, I immediately realize that it's really just me having that experience.
I had this idea that existence, God, and the Universe are all really the same thing because they are all that is. As a result, God/existence/the Universe is always eternally alone and lonely. So it separates itself into different identities to create the illusion that it's not alone.
A better way to understand this idea is to think of a child playing with a bunch of toys. The super hero, the race car, the villain, the toy horse, the barbie doll, the ragdoll, etc all appear like separate beings to one another. From the super hero's perspective, he is a completely different entity than the Villain. The Barbie feels totally different from the ragdoll. But in reality, behind each toy, is just the child.
Does anybody else ever feel this way? I don't mean if you understand this as an idea or a concept, but whether or not you ever really feel it? Because it's a really strange and yet indescribably blissful head-space to be in.
The funny and bizarre part is, I'm really just talking to myself here haha.
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: Alexestalex]
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#21223387 - 02/03/15 09:11 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I could rattle on trying to convince you that I exist, but the end game would just be proving to myself that even the people I make up think they are the only ones that exist as well. We are like projections of the same thought in a way, going back to the I that is bigger than all the other I's.
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: PatrickKn]
#21223426 - 02/03/15 09:18 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sure that every living being is having a sensory experience of some kind. I didn't mean that I'm the only one with consciousness.
I just mean that your neighbor's experiences, your best friend's experiences, a random stranger's experiences, etc are all really your own experiences.
time is eternal
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: Alexestalex]
#21223495 - 02/03/15 09:31 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alexestalex said: I'm sure that every living being is having a sensory experience of some kind. I didn't mean that I'm the only one with consciousness.
I just mean that your neighbor's experiences, your best friend's experiences, a random stranger's experiences, etc are all really your own experiences.
time is eternal
I agree for the most part, I'm not really disagreeing with anything you're saying. Merely bouncing ideas back and forth. Alan Watts has a lot of lectures on this concept. One can be found here:
If you're interested, he also wrote an entire book on the subject, "On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are". Really good book, definitely suggested if you're into the idea. Here's a quote I found from a site that made a synopsis for the book:
"We suffer from a hallucination, from a false and distorted sensation of our own existence as living organisms. Most of us have the sensation that “I myself” is a separate center of feeling and action, living inside and bounded by the physical body — a center which “confronts” an “external” world of people and things, making contact through the senses with a universe both alien and strange. Everyday figures of speech reflect this illusion. “I came into this world.” “You must face reality.” “The conquest of nature.”
This feeling of being lonely and very temporary visitors in the universe is in flat contradiction to everything known about man (and all other living organisms) in the sciences. We do not “come into” this world; we come out of it, as leaves from a tree. As the ocean “waves,” the universe “peoples.” Every individual is an expression of the whole realm of nature, a unique action of the total universe. This fact is rarely, if ever, experienced by most individuals. Even those who know it to be true in theory do not sense or feel it, but continue to be aware of themselves as isolated “egos” inside bags of skin."
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#21223529 - 02/03/15 09:38 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: PatrickKn] 1
#21223539 - 02/03/15 09:40 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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See the quote in my Sig.
There was never a time when the world began, because it goes round and round like a circle, and there is no place on a circle where it begins. Look at my watch, which tells the time; it goes round, and so the world repeats itself again and again. But just as the hour-hand of the watch goes up to twelve and down to six, so, too, there is day and night, waking and sleeping, living and dying, summer and winter. You can’t have any one of these without the other, because you wouldn’t be able to know what black is unless you had seen it side by side with white, or white unless side by side with black.
In the same way, there are times when the world is, and times when it isn’t, for if the world went on and on without rest forever and ever, it would get horribly tired of itself. It comes and it goes. Now you see it; now you don’t. So because it doesn’t get tired of itself, it always comes back again after it disappears. It’s like your breath: it goes in and out, in and out, and if you try to hold it in all the time you feel terrible. It’s also like the game of hide-and-seek, because it’s always fun to find new ways of hiding, and to seek for someone who doesn’t always hide in the same place.
God also likes to play hide-and-seek, but because there is nothing outside God, He has no one but himself to play with. But He gets over this difficulty by pretending that He is not Himself. This is His way of hiding from Himself. He pretends that He is you and I and all the people in the world, all the animals, all the plants, all the rocks, and all the stars. In this way He has strange and wonderful adventures, some of which are terrible and frightening. But these are just like bad dreams, for when He wakes up they will disappear. Now when God plays hide and pretends that He is you and I, He does it so well that it takes Him a long time to remember where and how He hid Himself. But that’s the whole fun of it-just what He wanted to do. He doesn’t want to find Himself out too quickly, for that would spoil the game. That is why it is so difficult for you and me to find out that we are God in disguise, pretending not to be Himself. But when the game has gone on long enough, all of us will wake up, stop pretending, and remember that we are all one single Self-the God who is all that there is and who lives for ever and ever.
Of course, you must remember that God isn’t shaped like a person. People have skins and there is always something outside our skins. If there weren’t, we wouldn’t know the difference between what is inside and outside our bodies. But God has no skin and no shape because there isn’t any outside to Him. . . . The inside and the outside of God are the same. And though I have been talking about God as ‘He’ and not ’she,’ God isn’t a man or a woman. I didn’t say ‘it’ because we usually say ‘it’ for things that aren’t alive.
God is the Self of the world, but you can’t see God for the same reason that, without a mirror, you can’t see your own eyes, and you certainly can’t bite your own teeth or look inside your head. Your self is that cleverly hidden because it is God hiding.
You may ask why God sometimes hides in the form of horrible people, or pretends to be people who suffer great disease and pain. Remember, first, that He isn’t really doing this to anyone but Himself. Remember, too, that in almost all the stories you enjoy there have to be bad people as well as good people, for the thrill of the tale is to find out how the good people will get the better of the bad. It’s the same as when we play cards. At the beginning of the game we shuffle them all into a mess, which is like the bad things in the world, but the point of the game is to put the mess into good order, and the one who does it best is the winner. Then we shuffle the cards once more and play again, and so it goes with the world.
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: Alexestalex]
#21223551 - 02/03/15 09:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alexestalex said: The funny and bizarre part is, I'm really just talking to myself here haha.
Take it to PM, then!
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: Alexestalex] 1
#21223571 - 02/03/15 09:47 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alexestalex said: I'm not talking about solipsism by the way because I definitely don't believe that I'm the only one with who experiences consciousness.
But I always have this feeling of intense connectedness with everything that exists. It's not even connectedness really, it's more of a feeling of being completely at home and eternally being with myself all the time. It feels like there's no such thing as strangers because it's all me.
Like if I just look at other people, or even animals, I literally see myself staring back. Strange. Even if I'm in a room with thousands of other strangers, I still feel like I'm just by myself. If I observe someone who is having an experience of whatever kind, I immediately realize that it's really just me having that experience.
I had this idea that existence, God, and the Universe are all really the same thing because they are all that is. As a result, God/existence/the Universe is always eternally alone and lonely. So it separates itself into different identities to create the illusion that it's not alone.
A better way to understand this idea is to think of a child playing with a bunch of toys. The super hero, the race car, the villain, the toy horse, the barbie doll, the ragdoll, etc all appear like separate beings to one another. From the super hero's perspective, he is a completely different entity than the Villain. The Barbie feels totally different from the ragdoll. But in reality, behind each toy, is just the child.
Does anybody else ever feel this way? I don't mean if you understand this as an idea or a concept, but whether or not you ever really feel it? Because it's a really strange and yet indescribably blissful head-space to be in.
The funny and bizarre part is, I'm really just talking to myself here haha.
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: r00tuuu123]
#21223590 - 02/03/15 09:51 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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no robo, it's all from the mushies
they gave me this perspective a year ago and i just kinda went with it. it's not even a perspective lol, the things they've shown me just can't be unseen.
and who needs robo when there's the magical ?
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: Alexestalex]
#21223621 - 02/03/15 09:56 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who are you?
EHYEH ASHER EHYEH
I am THAT I am (that I am that I am that I am...)
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: morrowasted]
#21223694 - 02/03/15 10:13 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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i can relate. most of the time i feel like im in a state of extreme empathy with everyone, while everyone else is completely incapable of empathizing with myself and other people as well
i think its a product of anxiety or my previous episodes of psychosis, idk. but part of it is very similar to what you describe
ill add that on the internet, this doesnt really apply to me. its just a face-to-face or being in a crowd type thing
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: Adolin]
#21223711 - 02/03/15 10:21 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have for brief, rare moments; I wish I felt that way all the time..
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: A Day InThe Life]
#21223739 - 02/03/15 10:27 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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i don't exist
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: morrowasted]
#21223741 - 02/03/15 10:28 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: Who are you?
EHYEH ASHER EHYEH
I am THAT I am (that I am that I am that I am...)
I think I enjoy psychedelics so much because from a young age i always found it absurd and confusing why people associate their inherent identity with their family name, race, gender, etc.
it seemed absurd because your gender, race, genetics, family, hair color, etc all just happened to you without "you" doing any choosing. you were once nothing and then suddenly you have a body, a mother, a father, etc. But all those things are completely arbitrary.
It's like being in a line up and receiving a random piece of paper with a character description on it. The character description lists your race, your religion, your height, your personality, the date you're born, the country you'll live in, the family you're born into, etc. But this is just a random identity card given to you by chance. The character description on the card is not who you really are, that's just a temporary character you're playing. Life works in the same fashion.
Psychedelics made me realize that my true identity is pure void. I'm not white, I'm not black, I'm not asian, I'm not a female, I'm not a male, etc.
i am the observer of a great cosmic unfolding. but "the observer is actually whatever is being observed." so in a sense I'm just watching myself play out.
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: Alexestalex]
#21223746 - 02/03/15 10:29 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: A Day InThe Life]
#21223917 - 02/03/15 11:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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A Day InThe Life said: I have for brief, rare moments; I wish I felt that way all the time..
It feels really strange and psychedelic. Sometimes the emotions can be quite overwhelming. I've had experiences that were so beautiful that it was almost hurting me.
everything can feel personal because now everything is you. When I listen to music, I literally have an experience of myself becoming the artist and having the emotions that he/she was feeling while singing the song.
you're ALWAYS aware of the impermanence of life which can sometimes induce extreme melancholy. I feel like most people are usually unaware of mortality and if they are aware it's only very dimly, like it's buried deep in their unconscious. BUT the flip side to this is understanding that time is eternal.
you're ALWAYS aware of how strange and unfathomable existence is. You feel the magic and mystery of existence so much at every single moment.
my favorite part of the whole thing is that during certain moments of the day, my mind puts me in a certain state of incredible bliss. It feels almost trance-like and can last for a while. It's hard to describe but it feels like being right at home knowing that everything is perfectly right in its place.
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: Alexestalex]
#21223996 - 02/03/15 11:53 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im the opposite.
99% of the time is spent in detachment from everyone and everything. I dont feel like I should be important to anyone, nor do I want to be. Ive learned not to expect anything from anyone; their love, understanding, sympathy, kindness, time, affection. Nothing at all. And mutually, no one should expect such things from me. Sure, Ill listen to someone vent, give advise, give help, give encouragement, but not anything deeper. However, I myself dont ask for any of that, so its fair.
Im not even bitter, nor angry, nor sad about anything. I just "am". Im an observer, caught between apathy and boredom. Only my family do I truly love now. However, if I never hurt anyone again in any way for as long as I live, Ill know I did alright in life. That's my goal in life: stay out of the way so not to cause anyone any hurt.
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: happydegenerate]
#21224029 - 02/04/15 12:03 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's called solipsism
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Re: Do you ever feel like you're the only one who exists and you are everybody? [Re: Black_Sunset]
#21224969 - 02/04/15 09:13 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Black_Sunset said: It's called solipsism
Did you even read the OP....? No. Not even the first five words.
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