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Cl0ud.9.Warl0ck
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War. To Kill Or Not To Kill.
#21220221 - 02/03/15 09:46 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is a question that I posed to a group that I'm blessed to lead.
Is it okay or not, with your Worldview and why; to go into war. With the present thought that you have the highest predictability to commit murder. Not just killing those that you have been instructed to kill. But may kill those that are not threat. All because you have been instructed by a politician.
Forgive me if this is in the wrong area. I'm still new and learning the process. Thank you for your mercy, kindness and involvement. Once again, I apologize in advance.
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Cl0ud.9.Warl0ck said: This is a question that I posed to a group that I'm blessed to lead.
Is it okay or not, with your Worldview and why; to go into war. With the present thought that you have the highest predictability to commit murder. Not just killing those that you have been instructed to kill. But may kill those that are not threat. All because you have been instructed by a politician.
Forgive me if this is in the wrong area. I'm still new and learning the process. Thank you for your mercy, kindness and involvement. Once again, I apologize in advance.
Well in spite of your sucking up to everyone here like a crazy person you've managed to put up a decent idea for discussion. 
War imo is not a black and white issue. There was a time when I would have fought for this country. That was before I realized that the enemy had already taken over and formed two major political parties and was involved in lining their pockets and making others do all the fighting while they party down with all the perks. Given to them freely by the suckers they shit on all day. I see absolutely no reason to fight for any of that shit.
So if this was an honorable country and bad guys attacked us unprovoked (and not because we were raping their country by making business deals with the criminal type business/political guys), I'd go to war. But since that's never really happened I think I'll just not bother.
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Re: War. To Kill Or Not To Kill. [Re: Icelander]
#21222116 - 02/03/15 04:49 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I asked the group. Is it wrong to kill. They said that killing and murdering was different. There is a premeditation in one action. I see your point!
The crime bosses and warlords are thick and heavy in this country! Point of fact. If any ruler, president or elected official in any part of the world. Had done what our president ordered these past years. That individual would have been accused of war crimes. Hunted down and killed. Then we would move the group that gave us the intelligence. Then we would take one of those guys and help place him in the ruling seat. It is a sad case. Thanks for sharing!
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Cl0ud.9.Warl0ck said: This is a question that I posed to a group that I'm blessed to lead.
Jim Jones only asked rhetorical questions… Like Jesus or Hitler.
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Cl0ud.9.Warl0ck said: I asked the group. Is it wrong to kill. They said that killing and murdering was different. There is a premeditation in one action. I see your point!
The crime bosses and warlords are thick and heavy in this country! Point of fact. If any ruler, president or elected official in any part of the world. Had done what our president ordered these past years. That individual would have been accused of war crimes. Hunted down and killed. Then we would move the group that gave us the intelligence. Then we would take one of those guys and help place him in the ruling seat. It is a sad case. Thanks for sharing!
I don't think so. The rest of the world is in just as bad or worse shape. It's humanity that's the problem and not what country they pretend to be part of.
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If it means not becoming the victim of aggressors threatening life and liberty by all means. Pursue it if you have the organisation and capability to bring complete neutralisation of the threat.
If it's not a ugly war of attrition do what Arnold would "crush your enemies, see the driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women."
As to it prescribed as right or wrong these are subjective questions to your culture group and major influences. Also be capable of self judgement and questioning your humanity.
Edited by Jaegar (02/04/15 08:24 AM)
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Cl0ud.9.Warl0ck
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Re: War. To Kill Or Not To Kill. [Re: Revok]
#21225923 - 02/04/15 01:32 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the Jesus, Hitler and Jim Jones comparison. Such a good dog
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Re: War. To Kill Or Not To Kill. [Re: Icelander]
#21225936 - 02/04/15 01:34 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, would you kill or go to war with the fact before you. That you will kill someone.
Most don't like to answer the question.
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Re: War. To Kill Or Not To Kill. [Re: Icelander]
#21225973 - 02/04/15 01:41 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would agree with you on the point that the rest of the World is screwed up. Sadly, we are already part of some country. When they stamp you out your CITIZEN card. You receive as Chuck recently quoted "Your slave papers. And can now travel to the next plantation". I'm not a black guy for the record. I can see a similar association however.
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Re: War. To Kill Or Not To Kill. [Re: Jaegar]
#21226013 - 02/04/15 01:49 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your awesome! Thanks for joining the dialogue. I greet you in peace and love.
You basically quoted Socrates: "An unexamined life isn't worth living!" I like that statement.
What is the Arnold remark? I'm unaware.
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Cl0ud.9.Warl0ck said: So, would you kill or go to war with the fact before you. That you will kill someone.
Most don't like to answer the question.
I have no problems with killing certain people. It would be my pleasure.
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Re: War. To Kill Or Not To Kill. [Re: Icelander]
#21229615 - 02/05/15 08:54 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can tell you are not someone who has ever been a part of any armed services. Your wording sucks. I went, I saw, I killed, I wish I hadn't, but it is part of human life and civilization. I will use ISIS for example. Them burning another Muslim, doesn't that incite you to want to kill or at least give you the notion that some deserve to be killed? If you put life in a great balance, sometimes the lesser of two evils is the only choice that you have to go on. When you measure life it is impossible, however to measure a certain amount of wrongdoing against another amount is the goal. It is not something that can be considered right, or correct, but better justified. Murder is not justifiable to me. What ISIS did in emulsifying that guy was Murder. The hellfire that will reign down on them from Apaches is something that I will easily consider a justifiable killing. And if a few innocents go out with them, I can live with that. It won't make it easier, but it will be easier to sleep knowing that 5 innocents died in order to prevent countless deaths and even more terror and whatnot. Every scenario is a case by case. But what you are asking about is individual soldiers enlisting into the military. I enlisted because they offered me a big bonus of an amount of money that I had never seen before, free college and the ability to GTFO of my mommies house. I think we all make choices based on what we think at the time. I know when I signed up I knew I would be deployed, I knew I had a 95% chance of going to a warzone, yet I signed up. I guess I was tired of being a child. I decided that I could stand behind what being a soldier meant (In the US). This is verbatim so if I screw it up troll away... I swore to uphold the constitution of the US of A against all enemies both foreign and domestic. I have since left the military, but I still think of those words. But I don't recall anything in the constitution about mushrooms. That's between me and mother nature lolololol. In short man, people go in for different reasons, and I can honestly say from personal experience that I didn't give two sheets or a phock man. I just wanted away from home, with money, a cool uniform so I could tame a whole bunch of strange. It came with all these benefits, the recruiter sold a good story. But what happened with me taking life has lead me to a thought process crossroad that only those who have experienced it understand. I was raised christian, heaven and hell very clearly. It is clearly written that thou shalt not commit murder. Is that murder? The situation is very foggy. Walked into an intersection, just cleared a corner and someone was shooting an ak into the air. I turned and shot twice and sadly hit the MF. He didn't make it to the super bowl. So was I just mean to be there? Or should I just listen to Tech N9ne and think it was all meant to happen? So man, people do things for reasons just like you do them for. Get some girls, get some money. Which if you ask me is just a man trying to figure out how to make their life better. Some do it for more aggressive reasons, maybe because they were just stung as a child or something. But that is why the military has a screening process and they try to let as few crazies in as possible. I could turn this into an argument about kittens if you'd like....
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You're right. I've never been nor would I ever want to be part of our armed services or anyone elses.
On the battlefield, killing people you don't have any real issue with because you are ordered to is not my cup of tea.
Some peasant farmer living in his own country is NOT MY ENEMY.
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Cl0ud.9.Warl0ck said: So, would you kill or go to war with the fact before you. That you will kill someone.
Most don't like to answer the question.
I am one of the very few here to have ever answered that question IRL.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16979246#16979246
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Re: War. To Kill Or Not To Kill. [Re: Icelander]
#21230851 - 02/05/15 02:29 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some peasant farmer living in his own country is NOT MY ENEMY.
But, but, they are insurging!
They should welcome Western bombs because they are blessed by Jesus.
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unfortunatly i have been to war and shot at people (never killed anyone, thank god) watched people get killed including my friend and an innocent iraqi. war is a terrible thing and should never be started unless it's to stop a person like hitler. i would never want to go to war again. i was young and dumb, into that dumb ass patriot shit
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Re: War. To Kill Or Not To Kill. [Re: Algo]
#21230891 - 02/05/15 02:35 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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If the army wasn't made of mostly very inexperienced kids (faulty parenting) you'd never raise enough to fight in stupid wars.
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Re: War. To Kill Or Not To Kill. [Re: Icelander]
#21230921 - 02/05/15 02:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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exactly and im guilty and i will own up to it. i was stupid.
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Re: War. To Kill Or Not To Kill. [Re: Algo]
#21230960 - 02/05/15 02:48 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: War. To Kill Or Not To Kill. [Re: Algo] 1
#21231035 - 02/05/15 03:05 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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AlgoRythm said: exactly and im guilty and i will own up to it. i was stupid.
I admire you for that but it's not going to fix anything for anyone but you and the damage is done. The youth will always be sucked into thinking they are the good guys. Nothing could be further from the truth imo. But I'm not just picking on this country. I'd feel the same just about anywhere in this modern world.
Now if you want to believe things can be fixed up somewhat my advice is to not procreate. You'll have done your utmost to fix our problems and you'll be a hero. Much more than any battlefield histrionics.
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