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Omnibeaster
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??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing??
#21220529 - 02/03/15 11:22 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello, I'm the ambassador of the majestic Omnibeaster here to gather and relay yalls infinite wisdom to "it" but Lets turn quickly to the matter at hand. "Ob" inoculated a 50/50 milo/millet mix with a B+ ms syringe. As a test run it spawned one jar to a bulk sub consisting of coir, virmiculite, worm poo, and cotton seed hulls supplemented with gypsum in a small baking dish. It let this colonize at 72° for about a week and then birthed (probably a little early) into a sgfc style tub maintained at ~72° and 99℅ rh with fewer holes than the original method calls for but fanning 4 times a day + 12hrs of light no casing. it didn't wait for pins to form to birth as it now believes it should have but hyphal knots still formed about 80 hours ago. At this time it also noticed a couple of lightly bruized areas on the surface of the sub but these have not grown or darkened. No further growth or expansion of the knots has been observed since their formation. Is it being paranoid or impatient or are these symptoms and improper fruiting conditions? Ob successfully and flawlsessly grew for the first time 5 years ago using pf tek and has done around a hundred hours of research in the past month since starting back up but it doesn't have the seasoned experience you guys have that could maybe identify the problem and suggest a solution. I will provide pics as soon as I figure out how.
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: Omnibeaster]
#21220555 - 02/03/15 11:27 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Omnibeaster said: Hello, I'm the ambassador of the majestic Omnibeaster here to gather and relay yalls infinite wisdom to "it" but Lets turn quickly to the matter at hand. "Ob" inoculated a 50/50 milo/millet mix with a B+ ms syringe. As a test run it spawned one jar to a bulk sub consisting of coir, virmiculite, worm poo, and cotton seed hulls supplemented with gypsum in a small baking dish. It let this colonize at 72° for about a week and then birthed (probably a little early) into a sgfc style tub maintained at ~72° and 99℅ rh with fewer holes than the original method calls for but fanning 4 times a day + 12hrs of light no casing. it didn't wait for pins to form to birth as it now believes it should have but hyphal knots still formed about 80 hours ago. At this time it also noticed a couple of lightly bruized areas on the surface of the sub but these have not grown or darkened. No further growth or expansion of the knots has been observed since their formation. Is it being paranoid or impatient or are these symptoms and improper fruiting conditions? Ob successfully and flawlsessly grew for the first time 5 years ago using pf tek and has done around a hundred hours of research in the past month since starting back up but it doesn't have the seasoned experience you guys have that could maybe identify the problem and suggest a solution. I will provide pics as soon as I figure out how.
YOU should have built a proper SGFC....
Fanning is not a replacement for FAE...
Pics would help...
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Edited by PussyFart (02/03/15 11:27 AM)
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: Omnibeaster]
#21220560 - 02/03/15 11:28 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: Omnibeaster]
#21220570 - 02/03/15 11:30 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Omnibeaster said:

Build a proper SGFC with 1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides, then fill it with 4-5 inches of perlite.
You are failing to provide the correct environment.....get if off the surface it's on and away from any walls.
Perlite in the bottom of a tub with no holes is kin of pointless.....especially when there is only a handfull of it....
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Edited by PussyFart (02/03/15 11:30 AM)
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: Omnibeaster]
#21220582 - 02/03/15 11:32 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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be patient. sounds ok to me. yes you birthed ealry, but it will be ok, not ideal, build a proper SGFC. 14 days IMO after spawn to bulk. just be damn sure you get FAE, FAE, FAE!! while maintaing RH. and everything will work out great.
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: PussyFart]
#21220615 - 02/03/15 11:39 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hear what you are saying but like I said this is a test run. I'm going to increase the perlite but it has been a steady 99℅ and at times I have even left the top cracked for a little more fae. The first time I did this I did used the half ass tek all the way and it was perfect by half ass tek standardsso I guess I'm a little caught off guard now that its not going g so seamlessly. So if I increase the fae and perlite to provide basically an improved system of delivery of the same conditions I have now do you think that would be enough to trigger
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: Omnibeaster]
#21220638 - 02/03/15 11:44 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Omnibeaster said: I hear what you are saying but like I said this is a test run. I'm going to increase the perlite but it has been a steady 99℅ and at times I have even left the top cracked for a little more fae. The first time I did this I did used the half ass tek all the way and it was perfect by half ass tek standardsso I guess I'm a little caught off guard now that its not going g so seamlessly. So if I increase the fae and perlite to provide basically an improved system of delivery of the same conditions I have now do you think that would be enough to trigger
yes but it my take longer dont be suprised if it takes 3 weeks.
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: Omnibeaster]
#21220646 - 02/03/15 11:46 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Omnibeaster said: I hear what you are saying but like I said this is a test run. I'm going to increase the perlite but it has been a steady 99℅ and at times I have even left the top cracked for a little more fae.
You don't want a constantly high RH.....noobs make this mistake all the time.....you want tons of fresh air, hence all the holes......you want a fluctuation of RH, so there is room for evaporation to take place.....which is a main pinning trigger....this is why we mist and fan the cakes so often....to replace lost moisture from evaporation
Tons of fresh air means tons of evaporation, which means tons of humidity......you cannot have really high humidity with little airflow....no matter what a cheap hygrometer says.....
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Edited by PussyFart (02/03/15 11:47 AM)
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: Algo]
#21220687 - 02/03/15 11:54 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Got ya pussyfart. More evaporation.. I was leaning toward that. I'll get on top of it and just say its taking a moment to fluff its bosom before the big performance.
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: Omnibeaster]
#21220695 - 02/03/15 11:56 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just spawned a lot of bulk sub so I have to get this right!!
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: PussyFart]
#21220703 - 02/03/15 11:57 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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PussyFart said:
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Omnibeaster said: I hear what you are saying but like I said this is a test run. I'm going to increase the perlite but it has been a steady 99℅ and at times I have even left the top cracked for a little more fae.
You don't want a constantly high RH.....noobs make this mistake all the time.....you want tons of fresh air, hence all the holes......you want a fluctuation of RH, so there is room for evaporation to take place.....which is a main pinning trigger....this is why we mist and fan the cakes so often....to replace lost moisture from evaporation
Tons of fresh air means tons of evaporation, which means tons of humidity......you cannot have really high humidity with little airflow....no matter what a cheap hygrometer says.....
that is absolutly correct. if it fluctuates between 99%-85% your ok. but as soon as it hits 85% try and make it back to 99% then repeat. This seems to work good for me. you agree pussyfart?
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: Algo]
#21220715 - 02/03/15 12:00 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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I never paid attention to the exact numbers on a cheap hygrometer......you shouldn't either......just mist/fan the cakes a minimum of 2 times a day......they will be fine.....
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: PussyFart]
#21220748 - 02/03/15 12:07 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Omnibeaster thanks you very much. You have confirmed his suspicions. Wishes he could have provided some great mature myco porn for his first post but the teenie porn will have to suffice...
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Edited by Omnibeaster (02/03/15 02:26 PM)
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Re: ??hyphal knots not pinning + minor bruizing?? [Re: Omnibeaster]
#21222497 - 02/03/15 06:21 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now the big question. Would I have benefitted from a casing in this situation. I don't necessarily think so if my problem is lack of fae and evaporation. I kinda want to stick it out and get my head around no casing. What do y'all think?
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