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And if your attention is nowhere, you are everywhere.
    #2121882 - 11/19/03 05:24 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)


long time no typey eh?
been around to come around.

this is typed out, so errors and miss spellings follow.
this kind of thing piss's some off. screw you.
if a word is typed one place, type it somewhere else.
specialy if the person who was talking, is dead .

if you like to read, enjoy!
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84: Toss attachement for body aside, realizing i am every-where.
One who is everywhere is joyous.

85: thinking no thing will limited-self unlimit.


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i have heard a story about an old doctor.
One day his assistant phone him because he was in verry great difficulty - his patient was choking to death.
A billiard ball was stuck in his throat, and the assistant was at a loss for what to do.
So he asked the old doctor, "what am i supposed to do now?"
the old doctor said "tickle the patient with a feather"

After a few minutes the assistant phone again, verry happy and jubilant, and said,
"your treatment proved verry wonderful - the patient started laughing and he spat the ball out.
But tell me from where you learned this remarkable technique."

the old doctor said, "i have made it up.
this has always been my motto when you dont know what to do, do something."

But this will not do as far as meditation is concerned. if you dont know what to do, dont do anything,
because mind is very intricate, complex, delicate.
if you dont know what to do, its better not to do anything, because whatsoever you do
without knowing is going to create more complexities than it can solve.
it may even prove suicidal.

If you really dont know anything about the mind...
and really, you dont know anything about it.
Mind is just a word. You dont know the complexity of it. Mind is the most complex thing
in existence; there is nothing comparable to it. And it is the most delicate - you can
destroy it, you can do something which cannot then be undone.
these techniques are based on a very deep knowledge, on a very deep encounter with the human mind.
Each technique is based on long experimentation.

So remember this: dont do anything on your own, and dont mix two techniques, because
thier functioning is different, their ways are different, their bases are different.
They lead to the same end, but as means they are totally different. sometimes they may even be
diametrically opposite. So dont mix two techniques. Really, dont mix anything - use the technique as it is given.

Dont change it, dont improve it, because you cannot improve it, and any change you bring to it will be fatal.
And before you start doing a tecnique, be fully alert that you have understood it.
if you feel confused and you dont know really what the technique is, it is better not
to do it, because each technique is to bring about a revolution in you.

These techniques are not evolutionary. By evolution i mean that if you dont do anything and just go on
living, in millions of years meditation will happen automaticaly to you, in millions of lives you will evolve.
In the natural course of time, you will come to the point to which a buddha comes through revolution.
These techniques are revolutionary. Really, they are shortcuts; they are not natural. Nature will lead you
to buddhahood, to enlightenment - you will come to it one day - but then it is up to nature; you
cannot do anything about it except just go on living in misery. It will take a very ong time, really,
millions of years and lives.

Religion is revolutionary. It gives you a technique which can shorten the lenghty process, and with which
you can take a jump - a jump which will avoid millions of lives. In a single moment you can travel millions of years.
So it is dangerous, and unless you understand it rightly, dont do it.
Dont mix anything on your own. Dont change.

First try to understand the technique absolutely rightly. When you have understood it, then try it
And dont use this old doctors motto that when you dont know what to do, do something.
No, dont do anything. Nondoing will be more benifecial to ou than any doing.
this is because the mind is so delicate that if you do something wrongly it is verry difficult
to undo it - verry difficult to undo it. it is verry easy to do something wrong, but verry
difficult to undo it. Remember this.

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84: detach yourself from body.

the first technique: toss attachement for body aside, realizing i am everywhere.
One who is everywhere is joyous.

Many points have to be understood. First: Toss attachement for body aside. there is a deep attachement
to the body - bound to be, it is natural. You have been living in the body for many, many
lives, from the very begining. Bodies have changed, but you were always with a body, you were alwars embodied.

There have been certain moments and times when you were not embodied, but then you were not concious.
When you die from one body, you die in unconsciousness and then you remain unconscious. Then you are born again
in a new bod, but then too you are unconscious. The gap between one death and another birth is unconscious,
so you dont know how you will feel when not embodied. You dont know who you are when you are not in a body.
You know only one phenomenon, and that is of embodiment; you have always known yourself in the body.

This has been so long, so continuous, that you have forgotten that you are different from it.
this forgetfullness - natural, bound to happen in the circumstances - hence the attachment.
You feel that you are not anything other than the body, not anything more than the body.
you may not agree with me at this point, because many times you think that you are not the body,
you are the soul, the self. But this is not your knowing; this is simply what you have heard, what you have read,
and what you have beleived without knowing.

So the first thing to be done is that you have to realize the fact that really this is your
knowing - that you are the body. Dont deceive yourself, because deception will not help. If you think that
you already know that you are not the body, then you cannot toss aside the attachment, because really for you
there is no attachemnt, you already know. Then many difficulties arise which cannot be solved.
A difficulty has to be solved at the begining. So remember well, and realize well that you dont know yourself
as anything other than the body. this is the first realization.

This realization is not there. your mind is befogged by whatsoever you have heard; your mind is conditioned
by the knowledge of others - it is borrowed, it is not real. Not that it is false - those who have
said it, they have known it - but for you it is false unless it becomes your own experience. So whenever
I say something is false, i mean it is not your experience. It may be true for someone else, but it is not
true for you. And truth is individual in this sense - that truth is truth only when experienced; not
experienced, it is untrue. there are no universal truths. Every truth has to be individual before if becomes true.

You know, you have heard; this is part of your knowledge, part of an inheritance - that you are not
the body - but it is not real for you. First toss aside this unreal knowledge.
Face the fact that you know yourself only as the body. that will create a great tension in you - it was
just to hide that tension that you gathered this knowledge. You go on believing that you are not the body
and you go on living as the body, so you are divided, and your whole being becomes nonauthentic, pseudo.

Really this is a paranoid condition. You live as the body and you think and talk as the soul - then
there is a struggle and a conflict and then you are constantly in an inner turmoil, a deep unease which
cannot be bridged. So first encounter the fact you dont know anything about the soul, the self - all
that you know is about the body.

This will release a very uneasy condition in you. All that is hiddin will come up to the surface.
In realizing this fact that you are the body, you will literally start perspiring. In realizing this
fact that you are the body, you will feel very uneasy, strange, but that feeling has to be gone
through; only then can you know what attachment to the body means.

Teachers go on saying that you should not be attached to your body, but the basic thing - what the
attachment to the body is - is unknown to you. Attachment to the body is a deep identification
within the body, but first you have to realize what this identification is. So put aside all your
knowledge that has given you an illusory sense that you are the soul. Realize that you know only
one thing, and that is the boy. How does this create and how does this release hidden turmoil
and a hidden hell within you?

The momentyou realize you are the body, for the first time you realize the attachement
For the first time you grip the fact that in your consciousness that this body which is born,
and this body which is going to die, is you. For the first time you realize the fact that these
bones, this blood - this is you. for the first time you realize the fact that this sex, this
anger - this is you. So all the false images fall.
you become real.

The reality is painful, very painful - thats why we go on hiding it. It is a deep trick.
You go on thinking about yourself as the self, and everything that you dont like, you throw on the body.
So you say sex belongs to the body, love belongs to you. Then you say greed and anger, they belong
to the body; compassion belongs to you. Compassion belongs to the self, and cruelty belongs to the body.
Forgiveness belongs to the self, and anger belongs to the body. So whatsoever you feel is wrong, ungly,
you throw to the body, and whatsoever you feel is beautiful, you go on being identified with.
You create a division.

This division will not allow you to know what attachment is, and unless you know what attachement
is and unless you suffer the misery of it and the hell of it, you cannot put it aside. How can
you put it aside? You can put something aside only when it proves a disease, when it proves a heavy
burden, when it proves a hell; only then can you put it aside.

Your attachment has not proved a hell yet. whatsover Buddha says and Mahavira says
is irrelevant. They may go on saying that attachment is hell, but this is not your feeling.
Thats why you again and again ask how to be detached, how to be not attached, how to go
beyond attachment. You go on asking this "how" only because you dont know what attachment
is. If you know what attachment is, you simply jump out of it, you will not ask "How?"

If your house is on fire you will not ask anyone, you will not go seeking a master to ask
how to come out of it. If the house is on fire you will come out of it. If the house is on fire
you will simply get out of it. You will not lose a single moment. You will not search for the
teacher, you will not consult the scriptures. And you will not try to choose in what ways one has
to come out, what means have to be adopted, and which door is the right door. These things
are irrelevant when the houes is one fire. when you know what attachement is, the house
is on fire. You can put it aside.

To enter into this technique, first you have to throw the false knowledge of the self
so that attachment with the body is revealed in it totality. it is going to be very
difficult; it is going to be a deep anxiety and anquish to face it. it is not going to be
easy, it is arduous, but once you face it, you can put it aside - and there is no need to
ask how. It is absolutely a fire, a hell. You can jump out of it.

This sutra says: Toss attachement for body aside, realizing I am everywhere.

And the moment you toss aside the attachment, you will realize you are everywhere.
Because of this attachment you feel you are limited to the body. It is not the body
which is limiting you; it is your attachment to it. Once you know that the attachment
is not there, there is no body to you. Rather, the whole existence becomes your
body; your body becomes a part of the total existence. then it is not separate.

Really, your body is nothing but existence come to you, existence reached to you.
It is the nearest existence to you, thats all - and then it ging on spreading.
your body is just the nearest corner of it, and then the whole existence is there - it
goes on spreading. Once your attachment is not there, there is no body to you; or, the
whole existence has become your body. You are everywhere.

In the body you are somewhere; without the body you are everywhere. In the body
you are confined to a particular space; without the body you have no confinement.
Thats why those who have known, they say the body is the imprisonment; really, the
attachement to it is the imprisonment. once your eyes are not focused on
the body, you are everywhere.

This looks absurd. To the mind who is in the body, this looks
absurd, a madness - how can one be everywhere? To a Buddha, whatsoever
we say - that "I am here" - really looks like madness. How can you be
somewhere? Consciousness is not a space concept. Thats why if you close your eyes
and try to find out where in your body you are, you will be at a loss.
You cannot find out where you are.

There have been many religions and many sects which have preached that you are in
the navel. Some say that you are in the heart, some say that you are in the head, some
say that you are in this center and that center, but Shiva says you are nowhere.
Thats why if you close your eyes and try to find out where you are, you cannot say.
You are, but there is no "where" to you. You simply are.

In a deep sleep you are not aware of the body. You are. In the morning you will say
that the sleep was verry deep, verry blissful. You were aware of a deep bliss running
throughout, but you were not aware of the body. In deep sleep where are you?
When you die, where do you go? Continuously people ask, "when someone dies, where does
he go?" But the guestion is absurd, foolish. It is related to our embodied
consciousness - because we think that we are somewhere, so then when we die, where
do we go? Nowhere.

When you die, you are not somewhere, thats all. you are not confined to a
space, thats all. But if you have a desire to be confined, you will be confined again.
Your desire leads you to new confinements. But when you are not in the body, you
are nowhere, or everywhere - this depends on which word appeals to you.

If you ask Buddha, he will say you are nowhere. Thats why he chooses the word
'nirvana'. Nirvana means you are nowhere. Just like a flame which has gone out - how
can you say where the flame is then? He will say it is nowhere. The flame has
simply ceased to be. Buddha uses a negative term - nowhere. Thats what nirvana means.
When you are not attached to the body you are in nirvana, you are nowhere.

Shiva chooses a positive term - he says everywhere - but both the terms
mean the same. If you are everywhere, you cannot be somewhere. If you are everywhere,
it is saying almost the same thing as saying that you are nowhere.

But in the body we are attached, and we feel that we are confined. This confinement
is a mental act; it is your own doing. And you can confine yourself to anything. You
have a valuable diamond. Your being can be confined to it, and if the diamond is stolen
you may commit suicide or you may go mad. what has happened? there are so many persons
without a diamond: no one is commiting suicide, no one is feeling any difficulty without a
diamond, but what has happened to you?

Once you were also without a diamond; there was no problem. Now you are again without
a diamond, but there is a problem. How is this problem created? It is your own doing. Now you
are attached, confined. The diamond has become your body. Now you cannot live without it; it
is impossible to live without it.

Wherever you get attached, it beomces a new imprisonment. and whatsovere we are doing
in life is this: we go on creating more and more imprisonments, bigger and bigger jails
to live in. Then we go on decorating those jails so that they look like homes, and then we
forget completely that they are jails.

This sutra says that if you toss aside the attachement with the body, realization
happens that i am everywhere. You have an oceanic feeling, your consciousness exist without
any location. Your consciousness exist without being tethered anywhere. You become just
like a sky, enveloping all; everything is in you. Your consciousness has expanded to
the infinite possibillity. And then the sutra says: One who is everywhere is joyous.

Confined to a place you will be in misery, because you are always bigger then
where you are confined. this is the misery - as if you are forcing yourself into a small
bowl; the oceanis being forced into a pot. The misery is bound to be there. this is the
misery, and whenever this misery has been felt, the search for enlightenment arises, the
search for the brahma. Brahma means the infinite one. The search for moksha means
the search for freedom. In a limited body you cannot be free; somewhere you will be
a slave. No where of everywhere you can be free.

Look at the human mind; whatsoever the direction, it is always for freedom, searching
for freedom. it may be political, it may be economic, it may be psychological, it may even
be psychological, it may be religious - whatsoever the direction, but the human mind is always
groping for freedom. Freedom seems to be the deepest need. Wherever human mind finds any
barrier, any slavery, any limitation, it fights against it. The whole human history is
a fight for freedom.

Dimensions may be different: a Marx, a Lenin, they are fighting for economic
freedom; a Gandhi, a Lincoln, they are fighting for political freedom. And there are
thousands and thousands of slaveries, and the fight goes on. But one thing is certain - that
somewhere, deep down, man is searching continuously for more and more freedom.

Shiva says, and all the religions say, that you can become politically free, but
the struggle will not cease. Only one type of slavery will be no more, but there are other
types of slaveries there, and when you are politically free then you will become aware of
other slaveries. Economic slavery can cease, but then you will become aware of other
slaveries - sexual, psychological. this struggle cannot cease unless you begin to feel
and know that you are everywhere, freedom is attained.

This freedom is not political, this freedom is not economical, not sociological.
This freedom is existential. This freedom is total. Thats why we have called it moksha, total
freedom. And then only can you be joyous. Joy or bliss is possible only when
you are totally free.

Really, to be totally free means joy. the joy is not a consequence, it is the very
happening. When you are totally free you are joyous, you are blissful.
This bliss is not happening as an effect. Freedom is bliss, slavery is misery.
The moment you feel limited you are miserable; whenever you feel limited you feel miserable.
When you feel unlimited, misery disappears. So misery exist in barriers, and bliss
exists in a no-barried land, in a no-barrier existence.

Whenever you feel this freedom, joy happens to you. Even now, whenever you feel a
certain freedom, even if it is not total, joy comes to you. You fall in love with
somebody: a certain joy, a certain bliss happens to you. Why does it happen? Really,
whenever you are in love with somebody, you have tossed aside your own attachment to the
body. In a deep sense, now the others body has also become your body, it has also become
your home, it has also become your abode. You feel a freedom. Now you can move into the other
and the other can move into you. In a limited way a barrier has fallen.
You are more than before.

When you love someone you are more than you ever were; your being has
increased, expanded. Your consciousness is not limited like it was before; it has reached
a new realm. You feel a certain freedom in love. It is not total, and sooner or later
you will feel again confined. You feel extended, but still finite. So those
who really love are sooner or later bound to fall into prayer.

Prayer means a greater love. Prayer means a love with the whole existence.
You now know the secret. You know a key, a secret key - that you loved a person, and
the moment you loved, the doors opened and the barriers dissolved, and at least
for one person more your being was expanded, increased. Now you know the secret key.
If you can fall in love with the whole existence, you will not be the body.

In deep love you become bodiless. When you are in love with someone you dont feel
yourself as a body. When you are not loved, when you are not in love, you feel yourself
more as a body, you become more aware of the body. the body becomes a burden; you have
to carry it. When you are loved and you are in love, you dont feel gravitation has any
effect on you. You can dance, you can fly really. In a deeper way the body is no
more - but this is in a limited way. The same can happen when you are in love with
the total existence.

In love, joy comes to you. It is not pleasure. Remember, joy is not pleasure.
Pleasure comes to you through the senses; joy comes to you through being nonsensuous.
pleasures come to you through the body; joy comes to you when you are not the body.
When for a moment the body has disapeared and you are simply consciousness, then
joy comes to you. When you are the body, pleasure can happen to you. It is always
possible, through the body. Joy is possible only when you are not the body.

It happens ordinarily also, accidentally also. You are listening to music
and suddenly gravitation is lost. you are so absored in it, you have forgotten
your body. you are filled with music and you have become one with music. There
is not a listener to it: the listener and the listened have become one.
Only music exists; you are no more. You have expanded. Now you are flowing
with musical notes, now there is no limit to you. the notes are dissolving
into silence, and you are also dissolving into silence with them.
the body is forgotten.

Whenever the body is forgotten, it is tossed aside unknowingly,
unconsciously, and joy happens to you. through tantra and yoga you can do it
methodologically. Then it is not an accident; then you are the master of it.
Then it is not happening to you; then you have the key in your hands and
you can open the door whenever you want. Or you can open the door forever
and throw away the key; no need to close the door again.

Joy happens in ordinary life also, but you dont know how it happens.
The happening is always when you are not the body - remember this. So
whenever you again feel any moment of joy, become aware of whether you
are the body in that moment or not. You will not be. Whenever joy is,
the body is not. Not that the body disappears - the body remains, but
you are not attached to it. You are not attached to it, you are not
tethered to it.
You have jumped out.

You may have jumped out because of music, you may have jumped out
because of a beautiful sunrice, you may have jumped out because a child
was laughing, you may have jumped out because you were in love. Whatsoever
the cause, but have jumped out for a moment - out of the body.
the body is there, but tossed aside; you are not attached to it
you have taken a flight.

Through this technique, you know that one who is everywhere cannot
be miserable; he is joyous, he is joy. So the more you become confined,
the more miserable. Expand, push your boundaries away, and whenever you can
leave the body aside. You look in the sky and clouds are floating; move
with the clouds, leave the body here on the earth. And the moon is
there: move with the moon. Whenever you can forget the body, dont miss
the opportunity - go on a journey. And then you will become accustomed
to what it means to be out of the body.

And this is only a question of attention. Attachment is a
question of attention. If you pay attention to the body, you are attached.
If the attention has moved away, you are not attached.

Look, for example: you are playing on the sports grounds; you are
playing hockey or volley ball or something else. When you are deep in play,
your attention is not on the body. Someone has hit your feet and the blood
is flowing - you are not aware. The pain is there, but you are not there.
The blood is flowing but you are out of the body. Your consciousness, your
attention may be flying with the ball, may be running with the ball. your
attention is somewhere else. The game finishes: suddenly you come back to
the body, and the blood is there and the pain. And you wonder how
it happend - when it happened and how it happened and how you where
not aware of it.

To be in the body, your attention is needed to be there.
So remember it - wherever your attention is, you are there.
If your attention is in the clouds, you are there. If your attention is
in the flower, you are there. if your attention is in money, you are there.
your attention is your being. And if your attention is nowhere, you are everywhere.

So the whole process of meditation is to be in a state of consciousness
where your attention is nowhere, there is no object to it.
When there is no object to it, there is no body to you. Your attention creates
the body. Your attention is your body. And when attention is nowhere, you are
everywhere - joy happens to you. It is not good to say that it happens to
you: you are it. It cannot leave you now; it is your very being.
Freedom is joy; thats why so much hankering after freedom.




85: think of nothing.

the second technique: thinking no thing will limited-self unlimit.


( i will have to type out the other later. if someone wants)

-pea's




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Re: And if your attention is nowhere, you are everywhere. [Re: Monkah]
    #2121888 - 11/19/03 05:29 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Bhagwan Rajneesh?


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Re: And if your attention is nowhere, you are everywhere. [Re: Swami]
    #2121892 - 11/19/03 05:34 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)



haha, yes.
the name is not important.
a word is a word, till its linked to a name. then its a story.


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Re: And if your attention is nowhere, you are everywhere. [Re: Monkah]
    #2121900 - 11/19/03 05:44 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

A source is always important when posting. Many may think that those were your words and ideas.


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Re: And if your attention is nowhere, you are everywhere. [Re: Swami]
    #2121911 - 11/19/03 06:00 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

sorry to you.
i seem to never put names to things.
not even my own words.
i sometimes wonder who has claimed my thought paterns as their own?

but yes, Bhagwan Rajneesh wrote this.
also known as Osho.
also known as a scandalist con-artist.

i felt that alot of people on this board,
who find themselfs spiritual yet traped.
or even non-
may find this helpfull in their own ways,
and that it might induce them to experience how they will.



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    #2122051 - 11/19/03 09:32 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Welcome back. How did your little excursion go?


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Re: And if your attention is nowhere, you are everywhere. [Re: Jellric]
    #2124389 - 11/20/03 06:31 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)


it went well. besides what ever went bad.... haha

i didnt die. so i gues thats luck.
i didnt get arrested for driving around the U.S. without car insurance
and i didnt starve.  bugs are tasty
and camping guide books come in handy

i learned alot of knowledge to be.

oh, and Gorgia is verry scary.

thank you for the phone call jelleric.
it didnt do much, but nothing can at that point.
as you so explained to me from your experience.
it has to be gone through for some.
but it still was not taken lightly that someone had the balls to actualy call
such things strike the heart electricaly.


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Re: And if your attention is nowhere, you are everywhere. [Re: Monkah]
    #2124505 - 11/20/03 09:06 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I figured you needed to go through it yourself. I rarely pick up the phone and call "strangers", but I just wanted to make sure you knew someone knew you were "out there".

*Cue inspirational music*

I see you are still writing in stanzas.  :grin:
Hopefully we will see more of your poetry in the future..






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