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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21201849 - 01/30/15 12:09 PM (9 years, 2 hours ago)

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No, not the peak states of consciousness, we can't trip balls our whole lives.. But the peaks can teach you something, that you can calm down and look more deeply, see behind your identity that's so caught in the story line, the drama of your life.  Imagine looking back your life, at all the people who hurt you, all the things you've done that you regret and are ashamed of, like a time lapse photography, and just be fascinated by it, appreciate it... no longer "identify" with the negative emotions... think of yourself and all those others no differently than trees growing.  That's witnessing your life, from a higher vantage point than your ego.  It's not pure consciousness, it's not buying into egoic games that isolate you from emotional wellbeing -it's a different vantage point, and one with a little more wisdom and empathy.




Well said.  This resonates with me quite a bit.


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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21205308 - 01/31/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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Enlightenment is said to entail the dissolution of self-consciousness.  To me, this does not mean the dissolution of self itself.  There is considerable ambiguity here.  To say that the self doesn't exist at all, objectively, is a very popular thought.  I'm not so sure this isn't a confusion.  If one attains to the loftiest spiritual heights, and feels that their self has disappeared, well, who is there watching, and feeling?




That's a great observation, whatever we see we are right here to see it, so any idea about self like higher self, ego-self, no-self, is seen by yourself
Seeing as you exist beyond these ideas, why associate with any idea of self? Simply leave yourself alone... :smile:


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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: Chronic7]
    #21205904 - 01/31/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Happy Birthday :birthday:


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Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain


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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: Chronic7]
    #21205929 - 01/31/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

yeah happy birthday ! :laugh:


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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: Chronic7]
    #21205935 - 01/31/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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Enlightenment is said to entail the dissolution of self-consciousness.  To me, this does not mean the dissolution of self itself.  There is considerable ambiguity here.  To say that the self doesn't exist at all, objectively, is a very popular thought.  I'm not so sure this isn't a confusion.  If one attains to the loftiest spiritual heights, and feels that their self has disappeared, well, who is there watching, and feeling?




That's a great observation, whatever we see we are right here to see it, so any idea about self like higher self, ego-self, no-self, is seen by yourself
Seeing as you exist beyond these ideas, why associate with any idea of self? Simply leave yourself alone... :smile:





YOu don't know what the fuck you're talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!

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oops...

What I meant to say was HAPPY BIRTHDAY SWEETIE:heart:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: Icelander]
    #21206204 - 01/31/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Thankyou guys, love the shroomery fam :hug:


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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: Chronic7]
    #21212152 - 02/01/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

You had a birthday?  Oh yesterday - Happy birthday Chronic.

Re: the thread - it's all about sharing love and hope I would say, those things can really change the world.


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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: Halayudha]
    #21213515 - 02/01/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

How I have experienced it is that enlightenment/awakening seems to be getting rid of all doubt and shame of who you are and what you are supposed to do.

In other words, having complete trust in oneself. How can one have complete trust in oneself? When you stop searching for answers, permission and confirmation from outside of yourself. Everything you need is all inside of you.

It is ultimately giving up the language and symbols defining what you should be and what you should do.


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