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Trying Mushrooms - Worried
    #21194932 - 01/29/15 02:42 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Hey,

I'm Raffa, I'm 22 years old, and I'm finally looking to start my journey with psychedelics after years of interest and lots reading. It's not so simple though, I have lots of concerns (that's my nature) that I want to vent, and I'd just like a bit of advice if that's okay.

Me and some friends from class are going to be consuming mushrooms in a couple of weeks. I'm growing mushrooms at the moment, it's a great experience and I'm enjoying it. Anyway, we're going to take them down at a quiet beach nearby. The plan is to take 0.75g for our first time, then slowly up our dose the times we take them after that, well that's how I'll do it myself anyway. As far as I can see, I'm being pretty sensible about it and am not rushing into it.

I don't have any psychedelic experience, except for weed, I smoked/vaped tons of weed over the space of six months, but I don't vape weed anymore. Anyway, here are the things that are concerning me:

1.) HPPD. I'm one of those that if something is possible, even in the slightest, then it's a point of concern. I'm scared of flying in case the plane crashes for example. I read about HPPD, now I'm worried that I'll get it.

2.) Bringing mental illness to the surface. I have no real reason to fear this I guess, I mean, as far as I'm aware, I don't have bi-polar or anything, but hey this is just another one of those points of concerns. When I vaped a lot of weed, there was a point that when going to sleep, I would almost properly hallucinate, to the point that I could strongly see visuals in my vision. I also got a bit paranoid in that phase of my life too. I do suffer from anxiety, mild depression, fatigue, I would even say that I have OCD a bit, I would also say that I'm a very stressed person, I'm a bit of a worrywart, I've always got things running through my mind etc. But as yet, no serious mental illness that has made me need medical attention or anything.

3.) I always worry that because of the extreme stress I've experienced in my life (I may be exaggerating this), and my already expansive imagination (when I go to sleep/meditate I can still see visuals), I just worry that mushrooms won't be good for my mind, or that it'll be 'too much' for me. At the same time, I have times where I just feel that it's time I finally try them! I was hoping that 0.75g would be a good introductory dose and that I'd still have control.

4.) Completely freaking out and losing control. I have no idea what to expect, so I just have this vision of me losing my mind and not knowing what's going on, or feeling totally not at ease with the sensations of not having control.

As I say, I've been drawn to psychedelics for as long as I can remember. If I'm honest, if someone was to say that I should stay clear of mushrooms, I would be gutted. It would probably delay me taking them, but there's no doubt I'd still be curious and look into trying them at some point.

Should I just put my concerns to one side and give 0.75g a go? I've always had a fear of trying anything new, that's why I'm planning to start low with 0.75g, or should I even start lower? Could anything go wrong with 0.75g? Will I have complete control?

Sorry for the long post! Any words of guidance would be much appreciated :smile:

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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: Raffa]
    #21194937 - 01/29/15 02:54 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Raffa said:
Should I just put my concerns to one side and give 0.75g a go? I've always had a fear of trying anything new, that's why I'm planning to start low with 0.75g, or should I even start lower? Could anything go wrong with 0.75g? Will I have complete control?



Yeah,

.75g isn't really enough to bring on any of the things you're concerned about. You'll probably just feel an elevated mood and colours appear a bit brighter.

It's good to get a feel for it like you're planning before going all out. Once you get up around 2-3g you will find out if you might enjoy pushing it a bit further.

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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: Zonk]
    #21195001 - 01/29/15 04:18 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

1.  HPPD is rare and almost always related to extreme, and often accidental, high dosages.  I don't think it is particularly common with mushrooms.

2.  Mental illness can reveal itself with psychedelics, but this phenomenon is often associated with unnecessarily high doses also.  Everyone has the mental problems you describe to one extent or another.

3.  Having had extreme experiences may actually prepare you for psychedelics.  The only caveat would be things you judge bad that you have done and not resolved.

4.  Be in a safe place with people you love and trust.  Have a sitter who has been there.  Since you express considerable doubt (or worry) it would be good to have that foundation.

It sounds as if you're being very thoughtful and careful.  Just take the baby step theory.  I like your idea of .75 grams at first and then work your way up once you have tested the waters and have some experience to clean up your theory.


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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: Old Pokey]
    #21195025 - 01/29/15 04:38 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

:peace:If you ask me, . 75g might be to small of a dose for your first time. If you really want to get into the mushroom,  I'd say you should take 2 grams,  or at least split an eigth. I was just like you the first time,  very nervous,  not sure of what is going to happen, being scared of the unknown. I can tell you,  there is nothing to be worries about with mushrooms man. They are a great time waiting to happen. Picture the most happy moment of your life x 2. They really are amazing. To be honest,  the little anxiety I got was very controllable and easily pushed aside. Mushrooms feel so natural,  its almost like we were made to do them haha. I hope you figure out the right dosage for yourself and have a great time when you try them. Peace out,  be safe,  and have fun!  :mushroom2::rasta:


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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: Old Pokey]
    #21195032 - 01/29/15 04:45 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

don't worry! Taking mushrooms can make me nervous some times too, but that's just part of the journey. A gram will probably just be absolutely hilarious for yall with only positive experiences! Have fun!!!


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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: Raffa]
    #21195153 - 01/29/15 06:15 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe start of with something more mellow. Dont get me wrong, i love the hell out of shrroms, but they can be a little bit frightening for a first timer, especially in a group setting where noone is experienced with psychs.
My first time shrooming was with my roomate, and it was very very weird. I just had no idea what to make out of the experience, always questioned myself what I was supposed to say or behave.
The afterglow felt awesome though, but still I was very confused about the experience.

Personally Id start today with something more mellow, something like LSA, Mescaline, low dose of the 2cb, c, d.

Mushrooms tell you a lot of things about yourself and your surroundings, that can be frightening for someone not at all familiar with altered states.


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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: hayabuser]
    #21195763 - 01/29/15 10:07 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Ok well at .75 which is a fairly insignificant dose, even for women it's exceedingly low. What you can expect is a lot of anxiety and uneasiness that lasts for about 6 hours and then you'll be done. You aren't taking enough to actually get high, or get a trip, so you will get a the come up anxiety and be stuck there for hours because you were to scared to take a real dose (2 - 3 grams). At 3 grams and under you are still in full control, but you will be tripping. At .75 grams you wont be tripping at all unless you get yourself into a placebo effect. So you can go in expecting an uncomfortable and underwhelming 6 hours, that will probably feel like 8 to 10 hours. Whenever you take 2 grams which is an extremely easy going and mild trip in all respects, you'll get past the shitty come up anxiety and into the euphoria of an actual trip.

As for your concerns none of them will even remotely apply to a tiny dose. The only concern you should be looking for is the hours of anxiety caused by too small a dose, much like what some new trippers here reported in a thread. They upped their dose the 2nd time and had an awesome experience that was great for them. So none of your concerns are at all valid for .75, just expect anxiety and uneasiness for several hours on end, since you wont be able to trip from that tiny amount. Hopefully your friends take a couple grams and can tell you what a good trip is like and you'll muster up more nerve the second time. Also you cannot go into a trip and be scared or reluctant and expect anything good to happen. Psychedelics aren't for everyone and if you are too afraid to even take a real dose then don't expect anything good.

This is not a troll post so don't take it as an insult, text can come off as worse than intended. This is just the honesty of your situation and you will understand what i'm saying after you've taken a real dose, vs the tiny anxiety/come up only dose. Again not a trolling type of post, but as many members covered earlier and some new members learned, a tiny dose is often a bad time because it's just the come up and some stomach discomfort, while you can't break through to any of the awesome effects.

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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: Raffa]
    #21197629 - 01/29/15 04:01 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

These concerns you have are valid, those are the risks we all face, but they are minimal when the set and setting are good. Your state of mind appears to be rather anxious in general. The most rewarding trip you could have might be accepting a loss of control. Psychedelics can provide you a means of exploring your state of mind in a controlled way, through an intense experience that ends relatively quickly. Build trust in the process, the drug, your setting, and cultivate acceptance towards what the trip brings you.

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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #21198031 - 01/29/15 05:18 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

psilocybinjunkie said:
Ok well at .75 which is a fairly insignificant dose, even for women it's exceedingly low. What you can expect is a lot of anxiety and uneasiness that lasts for about 6 hours and then you'll be done. You aren't taking enough to actually get high, or get a trip, so you will get a the come up anxiety and be stuck there for hours because you were to scared to take a real dose (2 - 3 grams).



^^^^^^^^ this this this.

Take more than 0.75 grams. That isn't going to show you anything mushrooms can offer. Take AT LEAST 1.5 grams. 2 grams would be a good dose too.

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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: Raffa]
    #21198104 - 01/29/15 05:32 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Just want to reiterate what everyone else is saying and reccomend taking a  dose more like 1.5g to 2g. Another important thing to note is the difference between fresh shrooms and dried ones. Shrooms are like 90% water before being dried so theres a lot of extra weight in them not contributing to the trip. Since your growing your own are you planning on putting them through a dehydrator first or are you eating them fresh? A .75g dried is practically nothing but anxiety and maybe a stomach ache and .75g fresh literally would be nothing.

With a low dose mushroom trip there really is nothing to fear except fear itself. Your only possibility for having a bad time exists if you are overly worried about having a bad time.

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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #21198133 - 01/29/15 05:38 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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psilocybinjunkie said:
Ok well at .75 which is a fairly insignificant dose, even for women it's exceedingly low. What you can expect is a lot of anxiety and uneasiness that lasts for about 6 hours and then you'll be done. You aren't taking enough to actually get high, or get a trip, so you will get a the come up anxiety and be stuck there for hours because you were to scared to take a real dose (2 - 3 grams). At 3 grams and under you are still in full control, but you will be tripping. At .75 grams you wont be tripping at all unless you get yourself into a placebo effect. So you can go in expecting an uncomfortable and underwhelming 6 hours, that will probably feel like 8 to 10 hours. Whenever you take 2 grams which is an extremely easy going and mild trip in all respects, you'll get past the shitty come up anxiety and into the euphoria of an actual trip.

As for your concerns none of them will even remotely apply to a tiny dose. The only concern you should be looking for is the hours of anxiety caused by too small a dose, much like what some new trippers here reported in a thread. They upped their dose the 2nd time and had an awesome experience that was great for them. So none of your concerns are at all valid for .75, just expect anxiety and uneasiness for several hours on end, since you wont be able to trip from that tiny amount. Hopefully your friends take a couple grams and can tell you what a good trip is like and you'll muster up more nerve the second time. Also you cannot go into a trip and be scared or reluctant and expect anything good to happen. Psychedelics aren't for everyone and if you are too afraid to even take a real dose then don't expect anything good.

This is not a troll post so don't take it as an insult, text can come off as worse than intended. This is just the honesty of your situation and you will understand what i'm saying after you've taken a real dose, vs the tiny anxiety/come up only dose. Again not a trolling type of post, but as many members covered earlier and some new members learned, a tiny dose is often a bad time because it's just the come up and some stomach discomfort, while you can't break through to any of the awesome effects.




This x100. Make your first experience memorable imo. Mushroom dosing is quite strange. 2g usually gives a nice stoned feeling with VERY minor visuals, bump it up to 3.5g and you can be in for an incredible time. Anything higher than that I would never recommend to anyone who doesn't have psychedelic experience.

Personally, the first time I ever tripped was 2 tabs of potent acid (from reliable long time DNM vendor, advertised at 110ug each) and I'm glad that I did. If you have the option, I would much prefer someone having their first psych be LSD. It is much more gentle on the mind during the trip imo (it's like your sober but living in a colorful wonderland,) and really gives all you would want out of a psychedelic.

Mushrooms in my experience offer a much more psychologically invigorating experience. You can experience MDMA-like euphoria, and the visuals aren't all that bad. For me, 3.5g of boomers provides a fish eye effect, with very apparent crystalline textures with exceptional amplification of colour.

.75g really isn't much, especially considering a micro-dose of mushrooms is about .5g. I would recommend to you 2.5-3g for your first trip, you get to really make the most out of the only first trip you will ever have. Don't expect any of those negative effects you listed with mushrooms. They are very gentle on the body and mind long term, compared to my experiences with LSD with consistent use.

Good luck, have fun, and happy tripping!


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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21198150 - 01/29/15 05:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

how do you guys feel about someone taking shrooms who is generally anxious? Should they be more apprehensive? Or just pay closer attention to set and setting?

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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: MagicMush123]
    #21199836 - 01/30/15 12:36 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Set and Setting, 2 gram dose or 2.5 grams and they will likely have an awesome experience. I have much less anxiety in my life after tripping, you can lose most all of your social or general anxiety to a great degree from tripping. That is just my personal experience though, but it's beneficial imo. Your outlook and opinions will likely be broader and you should be a bit more open minded at the least.

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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #21203863 - 01/30/15 06:31 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

1 gram or less would just be annoying and probably disappointing. I understand caution but you're taking them for a reason. You are looking for an experience, right? I start out virgins with 4 grams. Their next trip they're usually ready for the heroic 5. Just remember, they can't hurt you physically and the effects are temporary, well... mostly temporary. Haha.
  A lot of people on this site preach caution and baby steps. My experience in the real world is most people wish they jumped off higher than they did. Every shroomer I know say 3.5 is the minimum dose for an actual trip. There's a big difference between tripping, getting high, or just noticing an effect. I've seen mushroom horror stories and epically schizo freakouts on really high doses (7-10 grams) that morph into beautiful periods of peace, love, and ultimate cosmic knowledge. I've never seen someone regret their trip, not even the not so fun parts. Life's an adventure, right?

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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: Jei Zhan]
    #21203932 - 01/30/15 06:49 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Peoples have been taking mushrooms for thousands of years
Why worry now? :-)

2 gm would be about minimum i would suggest

But, if you don't feel you are ready, then you are not ready... Wait
There is no rush... And you have to listen to your inner voice... Don't feel pressured or like you have to...

If you wait till your ready, it will be worth it.

Set and setting... Both important and both worth your time and energy

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Re: Trying Mushrooms - Worried [Re: Raffa]
    #21203972 - 01/30/15 07:00 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Psychedelics are a tool for expanding consciousness beyond its normal parameters, if that is what you want to do, and I enjoy doing it and it benefits me a lot, then understand you may get "hppd" but that is not the right way of looking at it, what it is is that you are expanding your mind and this is going to change you. I see lots of stuff when i close my eyes, I don't consider it a disorder. I don't like or dislike it, I'm used to it.

I have never tripped with people, I recommend tripping alone or with people you truly bond with at a soul level, if it is anyone that you aren't deeply cool with its a mixed bag as to what taking drugs with them will do to your experience.

You should probably at least take 1.5 dried grams, though my friend insisted these shrooms he could get were such that 1g is a trip, so if its strong that 's different.

It sounds like you worry too much, just meditate and be at peace with your decision, its okay to worry, but try not to.

You might consider baby woodrose seeds for a first drug, you can eat 1-3 your first time, sure it makes your body hurt some but its a good experience and its legal. I have some I'm planning on dosing sunday.


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