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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21201119 - 01/30/15 10:25 AM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

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No, that was fascinating, thank you very much for sharing.  I indeed share some of your views.  As far as the experiencer and its relationship to the doer, I feel things are a bit messier.  I think, for the most part, and by that I mean 99.9%, the conscious human agent is not the doer.  However, I do feel there are some actions (on the part of the doer) than can be initiated and sustained by the conscious experiencer a little of the time, in this realm.  But I feel that conscious will, which I must emphasize is in no way free, makes up a very small portion of human experience.  Almost to the point of sheer negligibility, were it not for the fact that I feel what I have said is in fact the case.  Essentially, you are, in my view, almost totally correct.  (But not totally :smile:).

I also feel the role of the sub/unconscious plays a huge role, an almost monolithic one.  To what degree do you feel that humans, in the current incarnation, can come to know this realm?  I realize that, as you point out, we are constantly in contact with it, but really in a very unaware way.  To what extent do you feel we can become aware of it, and what are the best methods, in your experience?




Fuck dude you've got a good head on your shoulders. Just be careful or someone might get scared and try to lop it off. :lol:

As to exploring the unconscious I believe/suspect that salvia is the best tool or one good tool for such endeavors.  I actually think that on some of my salvia excursions I ended up in my unconscious mind. It sure seemed like that in retrospect taking into account both the images and my emotional reactions to them.  All this while not knowing who or what I am anymore. :jimmorrison:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: Chronic7]
    #21205935 - 01/31/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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The Chronic said:
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Enlightenment is said to entail the dissolution of self-consciousness.  To me, this does not mean the dissolution of self itself.  There is considerable ambiguity here.  To say that the self doesn't exist at all, objectively, is a very popular thought.  I'm not so sure this isn't a confusion.  If one attains to the loftiest spiritual heights, and feels that their self has disappeared, well, who is there watching, and feeling?




That's a great observation, whatever we see we are right here to see it, so any idea about self like higher self, ego-self, no-self, is seen by yourself
Seeing as you exist beyond these ideas, why associate with any idea of self? Simply leave yourself alone... :smile:





YOu don't know what the fuck you're talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!

er..

oops...

What I meant to say was HAPPY BIRTHDAY SWEETIE:heart:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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