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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: deff]
#21198786 - 01/29/15 08:16 PM (9 years, 18 hours ago) |
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yes definition is key part^ also i think people often mean a self separate from experiences and actions and such. this is something im not sure about yet though, specially the 'who is there watching' bit, like depends on if consciousness is tied to the body or not, maybe things are just watching themselves, i dunno
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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: deff]
#21199179 - 01/29/15 09:42 PM (9 years, 16 hours ago) |
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i have thought lately that there's both the doer and the observer 'parts' making a being up rather than just one or the other. i like to look to more basic things and functions sometimes to understand things, i think most things are just one or maybe a few expressions of the same thing in different ways. Like there's light and then there's 'matter' or whatnot, light is there but youd never know it if it didn't come across or interact with something, and matter is there, but youd never know it just the same if light doesnt hit it. but also i think matter things are pretty much just super concentrated light with all sorts of tangles, or light is pretty much matter 'stretched out' to its thinnest, or just all energy, whatever. as far as i understand also i think light is fully in space and in turn experiences no 'time', and a super concentrated matter thing would be fully in time, and i guess have no space. i think we like everything else have these things in some way to, there's illumination and also the things lit up, there's a 'void' of sorts and also experiences/chains of objects & causes, basic awareness and then clumped up complex deep understandings where you've put a lot of the awareness, and so on. but it's all one thing still imo, just in different 'directions' or 'dimensions' (like spacial/time dimensions, not fairy worlds or something)
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Re: enlightenment and self [Re: deff]
#21199493 - 01/29/15 11:05 PM (9 years, 15 hours ago) |
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i don't know if there's higher or lower, maybe more horizontal, i find even that when im more fully near observant in my ways i start to want the more structured 'ego' world, and then when i get there i want back to the more detached observational world. i think the seeming vantage point aspect (like observation vs being & doing) painting the view of things towards unity or separation points to there being something else thats neither of them, and only appears separated or unified depending o nwhere youre at, just like creation and destruction are just the two sides of change and it just depends which one youre standing on.
they always have a bit in eachother to which imo implies it being something else different and on its own also, as youre either being observant or observing being, actually i cant even tell the difference really, and its usually a blend dependent on the 'frequencies' of them, they take in eachother constantly, imo one builds up and is the frame for the other to move through and grow from, but theyre just sides of the same thing and neither of them are actually the reality of it, only the appearances, & maybe really only what the reality of it 'sheds' off and rejects just like light bouncing off things, everything but the thing.
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