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OfflineWebster10
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Re: The term [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21192158 - 01/28/15 03:31 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Please quote me where I said my opinion is more valid than a scientific study.

And what do numbers have to do with "refusing to provide a real work example of racial oppression?"


Apparently you agree with zappa's example, I believe the one I used is a racist judge giving stricter sentences to black convicts.



What about the black racist judge giving harsher sentences to white convicts? Anyone can play the hypothetical game. There will always be personal prejudice. Policy endorsed racial oppression is very different, it doesn't surprise me you couldn't distinguish the two.

You brought up the numbers, not I.


You denying factual evidence and asserting your opinion as more valid:

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Especially considering the metric is based on asking 1,168 people 13 questions. Considering I've asked more questions to more (than half of 1,168) conservatives, it's safe to say my opinion is more valid.  Right? Or are sweeping generalizations only okay when they're further generalized?



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But Webster here thinks forming an opinion about a group of people based on a sample of the people in that group is ignorant.

Then he does the same exact thing, by inferring that Republicans are actually smarter, based on the exact same criteria.


And by the way, I can find a "scientifically valid study" to make any argument under the sun. If I form an opinion about a group of people based on conversation with a sample of that group, it's ignorant and anecdotal. But if I did it over the phone and wrote it all down, it's scientific and valid. Gimme a break.

If polls (asking certain people questions) are a valid metric to base opinion on, then so is asking certain people questions.




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Re: The term [Re: Webster10]
    #21192195 - 01/28/15 03:37 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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What about the black racist judge giving harsher sentences to white convicts? Anyone can play the hypothetical game. There will always be personal prejudice. Policy endorsed racial oppression is very different, it doesn't surprise me you couldn't distinguish the two.





You told me to give you a real world example, and when I do, you tell me I'm playing a hypothetical game. :lol:


As far as the next quote, I was clearly being sarcastic, hence the "right?"

Besides, that entire rant was brought about by you calling me ignorant for forming an opinion about the majority of conservatives that I've met. As if youre in any position to dispute my personal experience, or my opinions derived from that experience.

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Re: The term [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21192216 - 01/28/15 03:40 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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What about the black racist judge giving harsher sentences to white convicts? Anyone can play the hypothetical game. There will always be personal prejudice. Policy endorsed racial oppression is very different, it doesn't surprise me you couldn't distinguish the two.





You told me to give you a real world example, and when I do, you tell me I'm playing a hypothetical game. :lol:


As far as the next quote, I was clearly being sarcastic, hence the "right?"

Besides, that entire rant was brought about by you calling me ignorant for forming an opinion about the majority of conservatives that I've met, as if youre in any position to dispute my personal experience.

:nojustno:



obama could implement a policy that brings death to all whites. Just because it's a hypothetical scenario that could happen, obama is a racist murderer right? You have no clue how to debate.

You said your opinion was more valid than a research study. Accept the condemnation.


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Re: The term [Re: Webster10]
    #21192310 - 01/28/15 03:58 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Webster10 said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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What about the black racist judge giving harsher sentences to white convicts? Anyone can play the hypothetical game. There will always be personal prejudice. Policy endorsed racial oppression is very different, it doesn't surprise me you couldn't distinguish the two.





You told me to give you a real world example, and when I do, you tell me I'm playing a hypothetical game. :lol:


As far as the next quote, I was clearly being sarcastic, hence the "right?"

Besides, that entire rant was brought about by you calling me ignorant for forming an opinion about the majority of conservatives that I've met, as if youre in any position to dispute my personal experience.

:nojustno:



obama could implement a policy that brings death to all whites. Just because it's a hypothetical scenario that could happen, obama is a racist murderer right? You have no clue how to debate.

You said your opinion was more valid than a research study. Accept the condemnation.




The obvious difference being there's a statistical certainty of a racist judge, and your Obama fantasy wouldn't happen in a million years.


And no, I won't accept the condemnation. My sarcastic remark is using your definition of sweeping generalization and ignorance to extrapolate why they're flawed (by applying those same definitions to opinion polls). If you hadn't insulted my perfectly valid opinion, I would've never had to (in vain, it seems) explain to you why it is indeed valid.


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Re: The term [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21192316 - 01/28/15 04:00 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

This would be a lot easier on you if you just admitted that racial oppression exists in America.


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Re: The term [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21192490 - 01/28/15 04:40 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

It does and it is against whitey.  Specifically Caucasian men.  Against Asians, too.  Success is vilified, failure is blamed on the successful and the world is upside down.  Harrison Bergeron is a victim of Diana Moon Glampers


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Re: The term [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21192520 - 01/28/15 04:46 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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Webster10 said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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What about the black racist judge giving harsher sentences to white convicts? Anyone can play the hypothetical game. There will always be personal prejudice. Policy endorsed racial oppression is very different, it doesn't surprise me you couldn't distinguish the two.





You told me to give you a real world example, and when I do, you tell me I'm playing a hypothetical game. :lol:


As far as the next quote, I was clearly being sarcastic, hence the "right?"

Besides, that entire rant was brought about by you calling me ignorant for forming an opinion about the majority of conservatives that I've met, as if youre in any position to dispute my personal experience.

:nojustno:



obama could implement a policy that brings death to all whites. Just because it's a hypothetical scenario that could happen, obama is a racist murderer right? You have no clue how to debate.

You said your opinion was more valid than a research study. Accept the condemnation.




The obvious difference being there's a statistical certainty of a racist judge, and your Obama fantasy wouldn't happen in a million years.


And no, I won't accept the condemnation. My sarcastic remark is using your definition of sweeping generalization and ignorance to extrapolate why they're flawed (by applying those same definitions to opinion polls). If you hadn't insulted my perfectly valid opinion, I would've never had to (in vain, it seems) explain to you why it is indeed valid.



The belief that all conservatives are ignorant based on a few conversations with them isn't valid. Keep digging that hole. Both scenarios are hypothetical. what is the statistical probability of the racist judge? You ignored the black judge giving harsher sentences to whites scenario.


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Re: The term "white privilege" is racist. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21192772 - 01/28/15 05:33 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I don't understand why some people feel the need to be proud of being white. I'm ashamed of being human.

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Re: The term "white privilege" is racist. [Re: rastathug]
    #21192794 - 01/28/15 05:38 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

yet latino/black/woman/asian/whatthefuckever pride is accepted and encouraged :facepalm:


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Re: The term "white privilege" is racist. [Re: rastathug]
    #21192827 - 01/28/15 05:44 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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rastathug said:
I don't understand why some people feel the need to be proud of being white. I'm ashamed of being human.



U r liek so enlightened


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Re: The term "white privilege" is racist. [Re: rastathug]
    #21192856 - 01/28/15 05:48 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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rastathug said:
I don't understand why some people feel the need to be proud of being white. I'm ashamed of being human.



I'm not ashamed of anything.  In the inimitable words of Pete Towsend "I don't need to be forgiven".


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Re: The term [Re: Smokey420]
    #21193828 - 01/28/15 08:28 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Smokey420 said:
Generalizing characteristics to a race of people is what's prejudice. 
Racism; however, is not just prejudice. It's prejudices + systematic oppression of said race. While minorities can often be prejudice against whites, it's not accurate to call that racism, because there is no systematic oppression of white people by minorities in America.




So with that line of reasoning no minority can be racist against a white person. 

Unfortunately that mentality is very common in the black and Hispanic community today, guess what happens when you always believe you are a victim?  You live like a victim even when you're not one in most cases, this is way the concept of cultural diversity is a failed experiment in developed economies.

If these minorities truly believe that there is "systematic oppression" taking place by white people, they should leave the country and find "freedom" in another part of the world. I don't see anyone leaving.

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Re: The term [Re: qman]
    #21193968 - 01/28/15 08:48 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I was explaining the difference between prejudice and racism. But you somehow turned that into your own phantasy version of what you want my words to mean.


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Re: The term [Re: Smokey420]
    #21194093 - 01/28/15 09:11 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I was explaining the difference between prejudice and racism. But you somehow turned that into your own phantasy version of what you want my words to mean.




Your words are very clear, "minorities can be... prejudice against whites, it's not accurate to call that racism"

I don't think I misinterpreted any words, you endorse double standards, this is nothing new.

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Re: The term "white privilege" is racist. [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #21194374 - 01/28/15 10:35 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

white privilege still exists. You may not think so, but it does. Your whiteness may be whats blinding you to that fact or you live in a very homogenous area of the country devoid of culture or progress.

the problem with white people is that they love to get in everyone else's business, hence you don't see asians being persecuted to the same degree for having "asian privilege"


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Re: The term [Re: Smokey420]
    #21195347 - 01/29/15 07:48 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Smokey420 said:
I was explaining the difference between prejudice and racism. But you somehow turned that into your own phantasy version of what you want my words to mean.





https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading

You moved the goalposts or made up an exception when your claim was shown to be false.


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Re: The term [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #21195354 - 01/29/15 07:52 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Here is a well researched peer-reviewed study talking about white slavery in america, whites were actually treated a lot worse than blacks as they were cheaper.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves/31076


The fact is, life has always been tougher on whites in America.


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Re: The term "white privilege" is racist. [Re: soochi]
    #21195427 - 01/29/15 08:31 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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soochi said:
white privilege still exists. You may not think so, but it does. Your whiteness may be whats blinding you to that fact or you live in a very homogenous area of the country devoid of culture or progress.

the problem with white people is that they love to get in everyone else's business, hence you don't see asians being persecuted to the same degree for having "asian privilege"




They are even more disfavored in college admissions than Caucasians.


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Re: The term [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21196402 - 01/29/15 12:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
It does and it is against whitey.  Specifically Caucasian men.  Against Asians, too.  Success is vilified, failure is blamed on the successful and the world is upside down.  Harrison Bergeron is a victim of Diana Moon Glampers




Agreed, but there are more ways to oppress someone than at the behest of a government or institution.


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Re: The term [Re: Webster10]
    #21196429 - 01/29/15 12:29 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Webster10 said:

The belief that all conservatives are ignorant based on a few conversations with them isn't valid. Keep digging that hole. Both scenarios are hypothetical. what is the statistical probability of the racist judge? You ignored the black judge giving harsher sentences to whites scenario.




Again, you misrepresent what I actually said.

I said based on the conservatives I've talked to, most of them are ignorant. If you have empirical evidence that shows that most of the conservatives I've talked to AREN'T ignorant, I'd be fascinated to learn about your methodology.

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