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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: There is no doer [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21238421 - 02/07/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm not saying I disagree with this completely, but I feel compelled to ask:  Does this mean we are conscious automatons?  Everything is just happening and we are only watching, powerless to steer anything?  That consciousness is completely unnecessary?




What do you think?


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Re: There is no doer [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21238775 - 02/07/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I personally really enjoy the Buddhist teachings on emptiness because while they negate all things ultimately they never deny the existence of them. Rather they explore the complete entanglement of all things and lack of independence. Saying that there is not an independent thing to be found.

If one applies that to consciousness one can arrive at "no independent consciousness", or in context of the thread, no independent doer. But one must also acknowledge that in saying this one is also saying there is entanglement with thoughts, emotions, environment, sound, taste, smell, and on and on and on which are very personal indeed. And if one of these changes, the effects can be seen elsewhere.

no independent consciousness does not refer to consciousness being impersonal IMO. it refers to it's lack of distinctness and solidity. to it's interconnectedness and malleability. to let loose one's grips on it as though it could be held, but also not to forget that it does change.


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Re: There is no doer [Re: laughingdog]
    #21241671 - 02/07/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

awareness is no more mysterious than "experiencing".
If no awareness then no experiencing.


the same can be said of the experiences themselves and maybe even more directly
if no experiences, no experiencing


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