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Re: There is no doer [Re: mt cleverest]
    #21195088 - 01/29/15 05:32 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

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mt cleverest said:
"Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof." - buddha

What does this mean to you? Because it sort of sounds like there is no doer.
In which case who cares about spirituality?




It means the self is an illusion, it's all only a story. There is no identification, nothing is personal.
No metaphors here.
It's more like you are a thought thinking itself into (illusory)existence, but that's not really true, because there is identification here in this sentance. It can't really be put into words properly, it's just made that way. For a reason :smile:
I guess enthusiasts who find it interesting care about it.. it's a trap like any other, but like you pointed out.. it's not really up to you if you will get trapped or not.
When you see this, you see that it's easy to forgive.. actually there is nothing to forgive and wow, what an epic story! who is awed by it?


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Re: There is no doer [Re: laughingdog]
    #21234338 - 02/06/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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laughingdog said:
also in idea of no doer
is release from guilt, shame and blame
if we give ourselves this gift
we maybe less judgemental of others




Absolutely.. but it's not even a gift, it's the truth.
This is exactly what Jesus was talking about when he said "Only truth shall set you free."


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Re: There is no doer [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21238161 - 02/07/15 05:08 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm not saying I disagree with this completely, but I feel compelled to ask:  Does this mean we are conscious automatons?  Everything is just happening and we are only watching, powerless to steer anything?  That consciousness is completely unnecessary?




What a great question.
I sense this one being really tricky for some reason.
It's paradoxical.. as if the entire history and future is determined only in the current moment. The doing is not really ego's(yours) to claim. Yet it all happens in alignment with your state of consciousness.
We can't take the illusion lightly, it's much more than just smokes and mirrors when we take a stance of identifying with the thought. We all become identified with (a part of) the illusion, where you can - at it's mercy - be tricked into believing anything and make it real - because that's the power we have. But it's a fools game. While in this "reality", there's no outsmarting it, because this "reality" is all of it.
I think the game is about seeing it for what it is and keep your heart open no matter what.. I think that's the true free will, if there is such a thing. When you can manage to keep it open, it has to mirror it back, due to it's very design - or so it seems, can't really say I know anything at all, I can't even claim the knower.


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