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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: spixce]
    #21184757 - 01/27/15 02:20 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I could probably get a medical license due to my back being like, uber fucked up.


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: 420_shroomer]
    #21184759 - 01/27/15 02:24 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm willing to bet 90% of people got into mommys wine bottle or daddy's six pack long before they knew what weed is!



But what he's saying is that drinking did not make most people want to try other substances except MAYBE tobacco which they probably tried first anyway.  Weed can make people want to try other drugs depending on what attributes of the high they prefer.  If they like the sensory enhancement they might want to try MDMA, if they like the psychedelic headspace they might want to try hallucinogens, if they like the calming effects they might want to try benzos etc.

This isn't true for everyone but it was for me and a lot of people.  Alcohol doesn't make you want to try other drugs really.  Its not just the legal status but that does play a part.  Trying weed can make you curious about other substances because of how the high is sorta like a little bit of everything so what ever the person likes about the high they'll potentially gravitate to substances that the main effect is that attribute.


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: whatsgrimace]
    #21184761 - 01/27/15 02:26 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I could probably get a medical license due to my back being like, uber fucked up.



I'd recommend trying everything before medication but for medication I'd personally recommend opiates if you're having severe pain.  They are addictive but they work consistently and are pretty reliable drugs that are fairly safe as long as they're not being abused.


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: spixce]
    #21184765 - 01/27/15 02:29 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

They really shouldn't be prescribing me to opiates. I have a history of pill abuse. I don't know if I'd do the right thing or not, take them as prescribed or binge the fuck out on them.


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: spixce]
    #21184796 - 01/27/15 02:44 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

They do endorse it, but man, I have not been able to smoke weed on the reg. or hardly at all for 15 years, and there is definately medical benefits, treating alcoholism, calming anxiety in some, and just a better outlook on my life when I am able to smoke it, not to mention the therapuetic qualities of growing it.

And bitter cactus, I do beleive mj may be a gateway drug for 2 reasons, dare program that basically says these are drugs, they are terrible, don't do them, then you smoke pot, and think well they lied, so I might as well do the coke that was lumped in with the weed they said was terrible, 2 because it's illegal, and you run into dealers pushing other shit.

Sure, mmj is not for everyone, but that can be said for just about everything, and spice, I agree, pot does not cure cancer, if anything it probably helps cause it, but wtf, cigs definately cause it.

I can't smoke weed because of observed random drug tests at work, and guess what happened, as I knew it would, I turned into a raging alci, which fortunately I no longer drink, but it was a long 10+ years of doing it, and major legal problems, something I did not ever have when I just smoked weed.


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: spixce]
    #21184805 - 01/27/15 02:50 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I could probably get a medical license due to my back being like, uber fucked up.



I'd recommend trying everything before medication but for medication I'd personally recommend opiates if you're having severe pain.  They are addictive but they work consistently and are pretty reliable drugs that are fairly safe as long as they're not being abused.



If you think opiates are safer then weed you're fucking delusional. There is no way something can be safe and physically addicting. The side effects from opiates can often fuck up your nervous system, stomach,sleep,energy and much more. Not to mention prescription overdoses range about 15 every minutes in this country while cannabis has literally no potential of PHYSICAL addiction OR overdose.

By all means though, take a gamble with the side effects, desperate addiction with horrible withdraws. I'm sure weed would be so much worse :rolleyes:


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: spixce]
    #21184806 - 01/27/15 02:50 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I could probably get a medical license due to my back being like, uber fucked up.



I'd recommend trying everything before medication but for medication I'd personally recommend opiates if you're having severe pain.  They are addictive but they work consistently and are pretty reliable drugs that are fairly safe as long as they're not being abused.





I don't have anything toback this up, but i'm sure it's out there, sure opiates do a great job of reliefing pain, but from what I have seen, AT LEAST 70% of people prescribed abuse them, if not more, don't get me wrong, I think they should be prescribed if you are in pain, but if mj can stop it, I would go for the mj anyday.


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #21184820 - 01/27/15 03:02 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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spixce said:
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whatsgrimace said:
I could probably get a medical license due to my back being like, uber fucked up.



I'd recommend trying everything before medication but for medication I'd personally recommend opiates if you're having severe pain.  They are addictive but they work consistently and are pretty reliable drugs that are fairly safe as long as they're not being abused.



If you think opiates are safer then weed you're fucking delusional. There is no way something can be safe and physically addicting. The side effects from opiates can often fuck up your nervous system, stomach,sleep,energy and much more. Not to mention prescription overdoses range about 15 every minutes in this country while cannabis has literally no potential of PHYSICAL addiction OR overdose.

By all means though, take a gamble with the side effects, desperate addiction with horrible withdraws. I'm sure weed would be so much worse :rolleyes:



First off why are you so offended you're acting like I personally insulted your best friend or something.  Opiates are safer when taken as prescribed and not abused because weed can cause psychological problems such as anxiety or paranoia.  Opiates are dangerous when ABUSED.  If you're taking your prescribed amount you shouldn't OD or have any problems and you can get a taper when you're ready to quit so no WD. 

Weed can be mildly physically addictive to some people with symptoms including insomnia, headaches, loss of appetite and irritability but the symptoms are nothing compared to opiate withdrawal. 

Yes, you can't fatally OD on marijuana.  Inconsistent dosing is a problem with weed and hash oil might be a bit strong for a cancer patient.  Those pictures of people "getting better" after quitting chemo and switching to weed are inaccurate because you gotta remember chemo is what's causing A LOT of the symptoms with cancer such as hair loss and severe nausea.  Cancer symptoms usually don't get real bad until it reaches the end stage when it is too late for treatment most of the time.


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: spixce]
    #21184839 - 01/27/15 03:18 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Good response. Couldn't have said it better myself.


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21184858 - 01/27/15 03:28 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Weed is a gateway drug, the prohibitionists are right. Most people try weed at a young age, then move on to psychedelics and other drugs.

If it were not for weed I honestly think I would have never gotten into drugs. The first time I smoked weed I thought "well this high really sucks, but it isn't as bad as people say it is for me, so maybe I should try something else". I then got into psychedelics, ketamine, ampheatmines, opiates.

I believe this is the case for many people that try it. Once you get into weed you realize that illegal drugs are not so bad. You are in contact with drug dealers who are pushing other drugs and you are more willing to try them.

This is one of the biggest problems with weed. It leads to other things. Not only that, most stoners are reckless and get high behind the wheel and put other people in danger.

In conclusion, weed leads people to harder drugs and for this reason I would caution anyone from trying it to protect their health and their well being.

Discuss.





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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: Adden] * 1
    #21184863 - 01/27/15 03:32 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I actually drive better when I'm stoned.


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: whatsgrimace]
    #21184899 - 01/27/15 04:12 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm willing to bet 90% of people got into mommys wine bottle or daddy's six pack long before they knew what weed is!




Nope, that sounds fiendy as hell.




I "got into" the party room the morning after my parents threw a boxing day party and tried just about every drink I could remember the adults drinking the night before.

Nan's port and lemon, lovely, Uncles pale ale(yuk) sisters Pernod and orange, nice-ish, and various others including rum and something, untill I got to aunt's Gin, I remember it smelt so nice, like flowers, so poured myself a glass added some tonic, and took a big swig.

What happened after that I have no Idea, nothing was ever said (could have been picked up by a perv and molested for all I know! or maybe I just slept it off at the local park) Last thing I remember was going out the front door and staggering down the street, puking, and holding onto the trees for support.
The smell of Gin makes me gag to this day.

I'm pretty sure that unleashed the 'proto-alcoholic' in me by associating the nice safe comfy-cozy family feeling of childhood alcohol, I would revisit it, throughout my youth, whenever I felt the need for some escape from a social phobia I had developed after we moved to a new town, schools, etc. I would raid my fathers booze cabinet.

As for cannabis I can take it or leave it though it does actually help with the burning pain caused by Paresthesia I have in my feet better than any of the four drugs my doctor prescribed me. I have plenty of 'home grown' going back over the years but I only use it when the burning sensation gets too much. I don't particularly want to be stoned all day.

I was going to ask my Doctor about Sativex as I'd heard there had been were trials for people with MS. Sadly it's only available to patients in Wales at the moment.

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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: deucedbi9]
    #21184911 - 01/27/15 04:21 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I hate old boots. I have to go get a new pair today. Fuck my old boots too, eh?

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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: spixce]
    #21185077 - 01/27/15 06:30 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm willing to bet 90% of people got into mommys wine bottle or daddy's six pack long before they knew what weed is!



But what he's saying is that drinking did not make most people want to try other substances except MAYBE tobacco which they probably tried first anyway.  Weed can make people want to try other drugs depending on what attributes of the high they prefer.  If they like the sensory enhancement they might want to try MDMA, if they like the psychedelic headspace they might want to try hallucinogens, if they like the calming effects they might want to try benzos etc.

This isn't true for everyone but it was for me and a lot of people.  Alcohol doesn't make you want to try other drugs really.  Its not just the legal status but that does play a part.  Trying weed can make you curious about other substances because of how the high is sorta like a little bit of everything so what ever the person likes about the high they'll potentially gravitate to substances that the main effect is that attribute.



What a load of heavily biased bullshit. Alcohol WAS my first substance. At this point in my life I have tried A LOT of different ones. Booze made me want to try acid, not being able to find acid made me want to try weed. I am now a pot head, apparently because of alcohol. 'Gateway consequences' is a thing, according to you. I guess everything we do on drugs should be forgiven because it's the drug's fault we do things. I guess we shouldn't be held accountable to the way we react to other people in our life. Shit man, get a lawyer, we need to get all those pedos and serial killers out of jail. Thanks, weed, for showing me the truth in life.

I suppose you are one of those guys that thinks Jesus and God secretly do everything for him too, aren't you?

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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21185238 - 01/27/15 08:04 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm willing to bet 90% of people got into mommys wine bottle or daddy's six pack long before they knew what weed is!



But what he's saying is that drinking did not make most people want to try other substances except MAYBE tobacco which they probably tried first anyway.  Weed can make people want to try other drugs depending on what attributes of the high they prefer.  If they like the sensory enhancement they might want to try MDMA, if they like the psychedelic headspace they might want to try hallucinogens, if they like the calming effects they might want to try benzos etc.

This isn't true for everyone but it was for me and a lot of people.  Alcohol doesn't make you want to try other drugs really.  Its not just the legal status but that does play a part.  Trying weed can make you curious about other substances because of how the high is sorta like a little bit of everything so what ever the person likes about the high they'll potentially gravitate to substances that the main effect is that attribute.



What a load of heavily biased bullshit. Alcohol WAS my first substance. At this point in my life I have tried A LOT of different ones. Booze made me want to try acid, not being able to find acid made me want to try weed. I am now a pot head, apparently because of alcohol. 'Gateway consequences' is a thing, according to you. I guess everything we do on drugs should be forgiven because it's the drug's fault we do things. I guess we shouldn't be held accountable to the way we react to other people in our life. Shit man, get a lawyer, we need to get all those pedos and serial killers out of jail. Thanks, weed, for showing me the truth in life.

I suppose you are one of those guys that thinks Jesus and God secretly do everything for him too, aren't you?



When did I say that people aren't responsible for their own actions?  I said weed is a gateway drug for some people.  I'm an atheist BTW.


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21185271 - 01/27/15 08:14 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

If it weren't for weed, I would probably still be a major alcoholic. I doubt I would have been able to cure my addiction to alcohol without the help of marijuana. It's gotten to the point nowadays that I can drink in moderation with zero problems, and for the last week I have even been abstaining from weed.

I agree that weed can be over rated and the benefits often over stated, but it does have some very useful qualities to it. The other reason it is over stated is because people feel the need to defend it since it is illegal and has obvious medicinal uses.


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: spixce]
    #21185333 - 01/27/15 08:33 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm willing to bet 90% of people got into mommys wine bottle or daddy's six pack long before they knew what weed is!



But what he's saying is that drinking did not make most people want to try other substances except MAYBE tobacco which they probably tried first anyway.  Weed can make people want to try other drugs depending on what attributes of the high they prefer.  If they like the sensory enhancement they might want to try MDMA, if they like the psychedelic headspace they might want to try hallucinogens, if they like the calming effects they might want to try benzos etc.

This isn't true for everyone but it was for me and a lot of people.  Alcohol doesn't make you want to try other drugs really.  Its not just the legal status but that does play a part.  Trying weed can make you curious about other substances because of how the high is sorta like a little bit of everything so what ever the person likes about the high they'll potentially gravitate to substances that the main effect is that attribute.



What a load of heavily biased bullshit. Alcohol WAS my first substance. At this point in my life I have tried A LOT of different ones. Booze made me want to try acid, not being able to find acid made me want to try weed. I am now a pot head, apparently because of alcohol. 'Gateway consequences' is a thing, according to you. I guess everything we do on drugs should be forgiven because it's the drug's fault we do things. I guess we shouldn't be held accountable to the way we react to other people in our life. Shit man, get a lawyer, we need to get all those pedos and serial killers out of jail. Thanks, weed, for showing me the truth in life.

I suppose you are one of those guys that thinks Jesus and God secretly do everything for him too, aren't you?



When did I say that people aren't responsible for their own actions?  I said weed is a gateway drug for some people.  I'm an atheist BTW.



The term implies lack of accountability. Pretty simple.

"I'm not responsible for what I do after smoking weed because weed."
That's your argument.

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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21185421 - 01/27/15 08:54 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Half the time it's "medical uses" are overblown and it is just another rationalization to get high.

In my honest opinion, if you have any sort of real physical pain, weed is gonna be the last drug on the list to manage it. Every time I have smoked weed with of physical pain I found found weed does next to nothing to cure it. Nothing better then a tylenol pill. In fact, I find that weed intensifies the pain and makes me focus on it more.

People who are all like "the pharmaceutical companies are bad, weed is better then pain pills" are so full of shit. I guarantee that even a small dose of kratom or hydrocodone will be a tenfold more effective for pain then weed.

When you bring this stuff up to stoners, it really is like you are insulting their best friend. Everyone feeds into their delusions. Pro stoner propaganda such as "weed is just a plant, it cures cancer, it solves all pain and kills anxiety better then benzos" is worse then anything the prohibitionists claim. However stoners spread so many lies around you average Joe doesn't know what to believe in anymore.


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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21185449 - 01/27/15 09:03 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I used to use some benzos when I was younger, I liked my dilaudid, morphine, oxys, ect. too. You know what I found then, and still finds works better than those drugs for the symptoms you describe?

Weed.

Stop arguing a subjective experience, it makes you look retarded. The only real point you have to object to is it curing cancer, and if you pay attention to most of the people talking, the one's actually claiming it does anything but treat some of the symptoms are far and few between. Treat=/=cure.

Though I suppose all those people using weed for MS, cerebral palsy, seizures, autism, epilepsy. That doesn't count though.

Weed is a psychological high. You've already stated you can't handle it. That's great. I don't care. People like different things. Who the fuck are you to judge what works for other people? A lot of people don't like stimulants too, should I go on and on and on for months about how much of a tard you have to be to think those are worth anything?

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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: nicechrisman]
    #21185817 - 01/27/15 10:42 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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If it weren't for weed, I would probably still be a major alcoholic. I doubt I would have been able to cure my addiction to alcohol without the help of marijuana...

QFT

... it does have some very useful qualities to it...



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