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Cakes Not Fruiting
    #21177785 - 01/26/15 05:17 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Today is day 14 in the SGFC.



The cakes are in a SGFC built to spec with 5" of perlite. Elevated 4", away from any wall. Fresh perlite. The jars consolidated at least a week. 3 of the 10 jars had pins. Only one pin survived the dunk.  My first cakes pinned on day 8. Nothing has changed since my first grow.

These are 1/4 pint jars stacked after the dunk and roll.  I wonder if the verm between the stacked cakes could be absorbing too much water during misting. It is the only think I can think of besides the vagaries of MS. I am not sure if in the last few days the myc has started growing through the verm, or if just enough verm has fell off that it looks that way.

This is only my second grow so I am anxious.  I had expected pins before this.

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21177957 - 01/26/15 07:23 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

yeah maybe since theyre stacked they went back into veg just to "fuse" together for a few days before they go into fruiting :shrug:

This is why I didn't like the PF tek, you could do everything perfect and still be waiting a week or two and then your freaking out like, holy cow did all the moisture evaporate out and the cakes dried? do i have to rehydrate my perlite? and if your using a ms its like double fuckery.

regardless everything looks good man :thumbup:

I think soon enough you'll be seeing some more fruits :mushroomgrow::mushroomgrow::sporedrop:

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: TheBoomking]
    #21178080 - 01/26/15 08:28 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

What strain?

14 days in an FC is a while. Do you know how to check if your holes are doing their job? Take your mister and spray the walls. Come back in 4 hours and most of the water around the holes should be clearing up. If you see water hanging around a specific hole that means you're not getting enough FAE.

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: taGyo]
    #21178114 - 01/26/15 08:40 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

How the hell are ppl still recommending cakes? A monotub is easier and more efficient. I wasted a lot of my time doing cake. I'm just making some random sub bulk cake for fun to put in my SGFC now. I think I'm gonna sell my SGFC next month

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: mcsuperd]
    #21178120 - 01/26/15 08:40 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

No one recommends SGFCs,

They're just the first thing you should probably do lol. Some people don't need what bulk produces.


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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: taGyo]
    #21178163 - 01/26/15 08:53 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I use a good mister that always winds up spraying the walls. I try to aim more at the perlite than the cakes, but the cakes get well misted. The walls dry up within 4 hours.  The perlite is moist. I added a few cups of water a couple of days ago. It looks like most drained out the bottom.

I ordered PE but the syringe was labeled B+ PExxxxx. The x's were numbers.

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21178165 - 01/26/15 08:54 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

What strain? Not PE right?

Wait it out, it sounds like you have a better SGFC then me an I always see fruits. When you stack them the myc is probably interacting with the other myc.


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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21178176 - 01/26/15 08:57 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I'm actually going to make a new SGFC soon to fruit little novelty things in. I have a GH, but don't want to set it up because I have to buy a humidifier, make room, have energy, etc...lol.

Cakes aren't a waste of time. They really help noobs get down the basics of cultivation and teaches the life cycle of mushrooms without having to go out and buy a PC, grains, agar, and so on. It's a way to get your feet wet and see if you want to continue forward with this hobby. It's not for everybody.


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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21178185 - 01/26/15 08:59 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I'm gonna show you pics of what I'm fruiting in Flabber,

Just need to do some more research on fruiting conditions of cubes but so far it's working out :rockon:


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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: taGyo]
    #21178191 - 01/26/15 09:02 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I assume the strain is B+.

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: taGyo]
    #21178199 - 01/26/15 09:05 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm gonna show you pics of what I'm fruiting in Flabber,

Just need to do some more research on fruiting conditions of cubes but so far it's working out :rockon:



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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21178202 - 01/26/15 09:06 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Weird.

Definitely just give it more time. I have a GT cake that took 14 days to start its SECOND flush (Which is REALLY weird). At 14 days though it's weird you don't see anything.

Try to pick up one of the 1/4 pints. Is it attached to teh cake underneath it? Don't be too rough though.

@Flabber,

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: taGyo]
    #21178232 - 01/26/15 09:15 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I picked up a couple of cakes yesterday to see if they felt light. In my limited experience they did not. I carefully lifted on the top cake of one stack and the bottom cake came up with it. I do not know how firmly they are attached though. This is the only time that I have touched the cakes.

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21178560 - 01/26/15 10:43 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Then my assumption was correct,

I'd just wait it out.


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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21178675 - 01/26/15 11:08 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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How the hell are ppl still recommending cakes? A monotub is easier and more efficient. I wasted a lot of my time doing cake. I'm just making some random sub bulk cake for fun to put in my SGFC now. I think I'm gonna sell my SGFC next month




Ill give you 1 dollar for it but you gotta pay for shipping :rofl:

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Cakes aren't a waste of time. They really help noobs get down the basics of cultivation and teaches the life cycle of mushrooms without having to go out and buy a PC, grains, agar, and so on. It's a way to get your feet wet and see if you want to continue forward with this hobby. It's not for everybody.




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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: TheBoomking]
    #21178681 - 01/26/15 11:10 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

People love to diss cakes but they're great for learning and if you can make it work you can pull 10 grams dry a cake. That's more then enough for me and my girl (Multiplied by 3 or 4 :crazy2:)


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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: taGyo]
    #21178721 - 01/26/15 11:19 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Heh...no hate on the cake :lol:

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21178733 - 01/26/15 11:20 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: TheBoomking]
    #21178747 - 01/26/15 11:23 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: taGyo]
    #21197726 - 01/29/15 04:17 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Does anyone have any experience with waterlogged cakes? 

I have been misting/fanning 2 to 3 times a day. I was misting heavily around 6am and 4pm, mostly hitting the perlite and walls but still soaking the cakes. If I was around I would give a lighter misting at 8 or 9pm.

On day 15 I picked up a cake and it still felt heavy.  I did a lot of searching for waterlogged cakes. I did not think mine were but I do not know what else it could be.

The perlite was still moist but I pulled the cakes out, trimmed the foil into a circle barely larger than the cake, and very heavily misted the perlite. I put the cakes back in and did not give them their evening mist. On day 16 I did not do a morning mist and lightly misted once in the evening. Today I gave a light morning and after work mist.

I have still seen no change from the above pictures.  I will give them another week. I am moving next weekend. If they get pins before then I will leave the FC and drop by a couple times a day. If no pins before I move I will just toss the cakes.

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21197761 - 01/29/15 04:26 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Mist when the cakes look dry. If they aren't glistening anymore, then lightly mist and fan them. No need to mist the walls. It sucks that you are in a hurry, because all that can really be done here is have patience.


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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21197882 - 01/29/15 04:52 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I am not really trying to hit the walls. I want to mist the perlite well without over soaking the cakes.  The plan now is just to lightly mist 2 to 3 times a day. I am not home that often but make sure to drop by after work to mist/fan.  If I do not come home that night I make sure to drop by before work to mist/fan. They get a third mist/fan maybe 4 days a week.

I have some rye colonizing and should have some tubs spawned a few days after I move into my new place.

I hope these cakes pin.  I did everything by the book. They colonized beautifully, no contaminations, just no pins.

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21197966 - 01/29/15 05:07 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

After 14 days, even without pins, I would expect to see the verm at least colonized, even if you're over misting some. Does the verm seem moist? They look like you just dunk and rolled them and that's not right for 14 days.

It's possible that you got a contamination that stopped growth. You jars can seem perfectly healthy until FAE is introduced and then the contamination can begin to flourish.

Don't focus much attention on misting the perlite, focus on the cakes. The over-spray will take care of the perlite.

Spray the cakes till they glisten and than spray again when you don't see moisture anymore, but the verm is still not dry. It gets a lighter color when it dries. You want to mist again right before that.


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    #21198071 - 01/29/15 05:24 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

The verm is moist. The one cake with the pin has definite myc growth around the pin. Not a lot but it started around day 13. Nothing definite on any of the other cakes.

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21200456 - 01/30/15 07:46 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Just wait it out mayne,

If your FAE is good make sure you're misting the cakes directly so both the bottom and top cake get moist.

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: taGyo]
    #21217402 - 02/02/15 05:52 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Day 21 in the FC.

I have a pin.

Because they felt heavy, I was thinking that they may have been waterlogged. I cut way back on the misting for a few days. I kept looking through the forum for possible reasons that they would not fruit. I came across a thread where a guy said that he always had problems with 1/4 pint cakes drying out, if they took too long to pin. I sat the cakes on saucers in the FC and put some water in the saucers. I left them there for 8 hrs.

This morning I have 1 pin.  Not much to get excited about, but it is the first sign of progress in 3 weeks. I was resigned to a failed grow. Because I am moving this weekend and have other projects in the works, I was just going to toss these cakes later this week. Now, If I see any more progress, I will just leave the SGFC here and visit often.

Thanks everyone for your input and suggestions.

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21217418 - 02/02/15 05:57 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Not much to be excited about?

Fuck that bro, that's your first pin,

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21217419 - 02/02/15 05:58 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Theres a chance its just bad genetics,  But I think in this situation its most likely one or multiple conditions are not ideal.

3 weeks in fruiting to get one pin is a long time. Double check that your temps are on point. if your FAE and RH are ideal you should see consistent condensation on the walls of the SGFC.

Im sure we've gone over these things just double check :shrug:

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: TheBoomking]
    #21217437 - 02/02/15 06:01 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I have a batch of creepers going.  They colonized in 2 weeks, I consolidated for 8 more days.  Super fast ya know

Well they are just starting to pin now 2 WEEKS later!!. 

Just be patient, if it does not work. Eh try try again!!

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    #21217520 - 02/02/15 06:14 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I am hopeful, but Spitballjedi mention contamination as a possibility.  We will see.  I will update the thread as either a harvest or a failure.

Thanks again.

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21246608 - 02/09/15 03:59 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Just an update:

    Most of the cakes have pins. A few fat 1/4" pins and over a dozen smaller pins. I will have my friend continue to mist/fan 2 to 3 times a day til the end of the week, then I will just toss them. (I need to get everything over to my new place.)

    I got almost all the pins between 5 and 7 days ago but once they appeared they haven't changed. I have 3 mini monos colonizing, and am waiting for more spawn to germinate so, I am not that upset, just disappointed.

    On my first cake grow, once I had pins I was harvesting 3 days later and done with the harvest a few days after that.

    Is it unusual to have pins just sit there for so long?

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21248157 - 02/09/15 12:51 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Nope,

Colder temps probably.


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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: taGyo]
    #21355261 - 03/03/15 07:32 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Just an update for closure.

After 5 1/2 weeks in the SGFC, with I 16 hr dunk and a few nights sitting in a saucer of water I got half of the cakes to fruit.

Some of the pins took 2 weeks to mature into fruits. When I tossed them there were still a lot of pins on the cakes. I just got tired of trying to coax these.

I harvested 32 grams wet. They were B+.

The icing on the cake was that they were bunk. I ate the 32grams wet and I may have felt a minor body load. There were absolutely no visuals.  I had not tripped for over 3 weeks, so it wasn't tolerance.

I wonder if it was genetics or the growing conditions?

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Re: Cakes Not Fruiting [Re: Alwaysanoob]
    #21355282 - 03/03/15 07:39 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Both.  With out optimal environmental up keep of the fruiting parameters provided to the specific fungus being fruited, the genetic stock isn't able to reach it's full potential. 

If optimal fruiting parameters are provided to said fruiting fungus and they still do shit like lack potency, and, or are huge, or small, or sparse fruiters, ect, then genetics can be called-out as a factor of a shitty grow.


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    #21355354 - 03/03/15 08:02 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Both.  With out optimal environmental up keep of the fruiting parameters provided to the specific fungus being fruited, the genetic stock isn't able to reach it's full potential. 

If optimal fruiting parameters are provided to said fruiting fungus and they still do shit like lack potency, and, or are huge, or small, or sparse fruiters, ect, then genetics can be called-out as a factor of a shitty grow.




That's interesting. I had some slow colonizing and very slow fruiting B+ that were bunk. They were grown on cakes.

Also had my recent monotub produce some bunk fruits. Although I felt I dialed that in better than my SGFC. So could be a combination of the two? Never considered your explanation before though!

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