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What is Beelzebub's planetary association? * 1
    #21171153 - 01/24/15 01:35 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

What planet or sphere is Beelzebub associated with?

This is really confusing to me since alot of the information out there doesn't add up or coincide with one another. So here's what I've got and hopefully someone can point me in the right direction concerning this question.

Baal, bael or beel simply means lord, thus making it a generalized word that was used to describe people of power or as a way to describe particular spirits. With that being said you have to look at the second part of Beelzebub's name to have any light shed on who or what this spirit is. So as you know this is why Beelzebub is known as the Lord of the Flies.

According to the Grimorium Verum Beelzebut is associated with the sun but Guland and other spirits that Beelzebub commands can be found by working with Saturn. Since you can't work with the Sun during the planetary hours of Saturn, how would this be valid?

Would this mean that Beelzebub and Beelzebut are different entities?

The Testament of Solomon says that Beelzebul is associated with the planet Venus, not the Sun.

Also many people think Beelzebub is that same as Lucifer or Bael from the Goetia, which I can't get behind because they are obviously different when you do a little bit of digging. Not to mention, I really fail to see the associations between spirits that modern occultist try to make. Claiming that so and so is an aspect of this or that when there is nothing there to really tie them together but the notion that all of spirits dwell within certain areas of the subconscious. Which to a certain degree, I think is total bullshit.

Also given the different names of Beelzebub and what I mentioned earlier about the meaning of the word Baal or Beel it could be safe to assume that these are all entirely different spirits all together. Even if they were the same spirit, all the info out there in books or on the net is conflicting.

So anyways that's where I'm at. What do you think?


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Re: What is Beelzebub's planetary association? [Re: aciddrop]
    #21174673 - 01/25/15 12:40 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's crazy because when it comes to demons I figured that there would be plenty of info out there concerning this one. Who wouldn't want to summon this guy if you summoned demons? Lol.

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Re: What is Beelzebub's planetary association? [Re: aciddrop]
    #21175768 - 01/25/15 05:33 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Beelzebub is an ancient Caananite diety originally. Probably it meant something along the lines of Lord of the things that fly, like lord of the air or something like that. Perhaps he was an Annunaki air traffic control chief, directing ancient flying machines. The Hebrews slandered this diety to lord of the flies, as that their standard approach to the gods of their racial enemies. You could always just ask Beelzebub. Summon him up and have a conversation.


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Re: What is Beelzebub's planetary association? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #21177973 - 01/26/15 07:36 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I've been doing a lot of information gathering lately because of what has been revealed to me in my notes or evocation log. This has lead me to believe that planetary days and hours play a big role in evocation. I've come to this conclusion by comparing my results and overall environmental changes that are experienced during the ritual.

It seems that when the ritual is done accordingly the environment is more susceptible to drastic changes in temperature and humidity. Also I've noticed that there is more of a chance of poltergeist activity if this is done.

That's where I'm at. I'm looking to create something with more substance if you know what I mean.  I think there is more to the practice and I'm creating a new foundation for myself to work from so that I know for sure that this isn't mental masturbation. It seems that a lot are experiencing that since everyone is evoking now.

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