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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: mantis]
    #21174668 - 01/25/15 12:39 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks! :highfive:


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: elax420] * 2
    #21174671 - 01/25/15 12:40 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Hows' come you make every thread about you BlindSophist?  This member is tired of seeing every thread become about the topic of transgender people.


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #21174680 - 01/25/15 12:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Hows' come you make every thread about you BlindSophist?  This member is tired of seeing every thread become about the topic of transgender people.




I never bring it up on my own, it is always brought up by somebody else. I would also like to talk about it a lot less, but I am not the one who is constantly bringing it up. Again, I'm only presenting a side of the conversation that is routinely silenced.


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: InfiniteToker] * 1
    #21174683 - 01/25/15 12:43 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

We could always reminisce on foreskin once more. It's a good way to pass the time. Where's Bill? Maybe old leatherneck can get the skin rolling on this one.

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21174687 - 01/25/15 12:44 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I can't but help use transgender philosophers as a punchline, not because they are transgender, but because it seems like such a statistical anomaly that I can't see them being around in the period of Aristotle and Socrates. Was there even such a thing in the period of classical philosophy? I'm lead to thinking not. That's why, for me, it is a punchline. It's not meant to be anything against transgenders themselves.




Trans people did exist in that time, or at least that time period. They have always existed. But the point is taken that they are a tiny minority, and I'm not arguing that philosophy classes should shoehorn in a transsexual philosopher regardless of their merit.



Yeah, I mean I know transgenders probably existed. I'm just not sure about notable transgender philosophers. I mean technically we're all philosophers here. This conversation itself is a sort of philosophy. We're not notable philosophers though.

Though a lot of the philosophers at the time were actually gay/bisexual and sexually adventurous. It could be possible they had gender identity issues but didn't recognize it/admit it due to the social taboo.

Can't recall which philosopher it was off the top of my head but he was always believed to commit suicide.. Until recently. He was found to have actually been fed poison and killed, likely because of his sexual orientation.

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21174731 - 01/25/15 12:56 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Once again, the centerpiece of the scorn and ridicule piled upon any party advocating for equal representation is the non-sequitur use of transgender people as a punchline. That graphic uses me as a joke. I'd never wear makeup that looks like that, because I'm not a fucking drag queen. Morrowasted, I'm honestly disappointed, at least use some lube next time. This sort of dry-smashing really chaps my asshole. :crankey:

PS "Transgendered" is a politically incorrect nonsense word. Are you a "gingered" person, or does that sound fucking retarded?




I'm pretty sure that morrow didnt write the story or choose the graphic

my gender shall henceforth be known as Dionysian Clown, refer to me by the
proper pronoun or face my sloth and procrastination!

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21174748 - 01/25/15 01:01 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

What are the proper pronouns for a Dionysian Clown? Zhe, zer, etc.?


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21174753 - 01/25/15 01:03 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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InfiniteToker said:
Hows' come you make every thread about you BlindSophist?  This member is tired of seeing every thread become about the topic of transgender people.




I never bring it up on my own, it is always brought up by somebody else. I would also like to talk about it a lot less, but I am not the one who is constantly bringing it up. Again, I'm only presenting a side of the conversation that is routinely silenced.





someone writing an article mentions transgenders and you immediately
unloaded on morrowasted and made it about you and your 'side' is far from
silenced, it's demanded from your 'side' that we all show tolerance for who
you are and your own self centered attitude refuse to accept the diversity
in views of others. just because you're screaming too loud to hear that
we're all forced to recognize you doesnt mean you arent recognized

in the words of a very wise philosopher

"shut the fuck up about yourself for a gods damned
minute so you can hear what others have to say"
-Prisoner#1

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: InfiniteToker] * 1
    #21174769 - 01/25/15 01:07 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Hows' come you make every thread about you BlindSophist?  This member is tired of seeing every thread become about the topic of transgender people.




If no one speaks up for transgender folks, who will?

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Adden]
    #21174771 - 01/25/15 01:07 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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InfiniteToker said:
Hows' come you make every thread about you BlindSophist?  This member is tired of seeing every thread become about the topic of transgender people.




If no one speaks up for transgender folks, who will?



No one.

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #21174778 - 01/25/15 01:09 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

maybe sexuality isn't something to be flaunted arbitrarily during philosophical pursuits.

maybe that's why this is so ratcheting up like it is, nowadays; because if no one talks about it, the perceptions get worse, and people end up getting thrown under the bus, in the evaluating and re-evaluating of culture.

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 3
    #21174783 - 01/25/15 01:10 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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What are the proper pronouns for a Dionysian Clown? Zhe, zer, etc.?





and that's the problem, it's all guess work from here to determine what
pronoun to use for the 27,957 different gender identities we're no faced
with simply because he/she arent enough

it's all ridiculous, PC shit, you were born with male genitalia so of someone
calls you a he, why the fuck should you get so worked up about it, because
it's the wrong pronoun? well accept that some people will remain ignorant and
that some will actively try to recognize you as a woman but stop letting the
trivial shit like some silly picture in an article written by some retard
that felt the need to report on other retards get you worked up. you give
them that power to control you. start worrying about the important shit such
as basic human rights and actual equality for yourself and your fellow humans

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: morrowasted]
    #21174787 - 01/25/15 01:12 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Or transgendered people.

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6222

The course syllabus employed a standardized canon of theory that began with Plato and Aristotle, then jumped to modern philosophers: Hobbes, Locke, Hegel, Marx, Weber and Foucault, all of whom are white men,” wrote the students. “The syllabus did not include a single woman or person of color.”

The students espoused their concerns surrounding the white male dominated material and suggest that simply assigning these authors without the inclusion of minority thought is not acknowledging “the other 99 percent of humanity.”

“These courses pretend that a minuscule fraction of humanity — economically privileged white males from five imperial countries (England, France, Germany, Italy and the United States) — are the only people to produce valid knowledge about the world,” wrote the students.

“The white male canon is not sufficient for theorizing the lives of marginalized people. None of the thinkers we studied in this course had a robust analysis of gender or racial oppression,” continued the students. “They did not even engage with the enduring legacies of European colonial expansion, the enslavement of black people and the genocide of indigenous people in the Americas.”


What do you think?




my first thought was "plato and aristotle were white?"


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: millzy]
    #21174792 - 01/25/15 01:13 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Right? :lol:


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: millzy]
    #21174795 - 01/25/15 01:14 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Plato and Aristotle had Athenian descent, yes they were white.

I wonder if other species besides humans have gender identity issues? Or are they strictly male/female? Or do they consider themselves genderless? Do they even know what gender is?

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21174798 - 01/25/15 01:14 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

BlindSophist said:
What are the proper pronouns for a Dionysian Clown? Zhe, zer, etc.?





and that's the problem, it's all guess work from here to determine what
pronoun to use for the 27,957 different gender identities we're no faced
with simply because he/she arent enough

it's all ridiculous, PC shit, you were born with male genitalia so of someone
calls you a he, why the fuck should you get so worked up about it, because
it's the wrong pronoun? well accept that some people will remain ignorant and
that some will actively try to recognize you as a woman but stop letting the
trivial shit like some silly picture in an article written by some retard
that felt the need to report on other retards get you worked up. you give
them that power to control you. start worrying about the important shit such
as basic human rights and actual equality for yourself and your fellow humans


:raisemyglass:


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21174805 - 01/25/15 01:16 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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maybe sexuality isn't something to be flaunted arbitrarily during philosophical pursuits.




do you know why Dont Ask/Dont Tell was a good policy for the military?

because your sexuality on the job shouldnt matter, I dont care if you like to
fuck, men, women, transvestites or raccoons, I certainly dont need to hear
about it in the field, when I do hear about it then I have grounds for a
sexual harassment suit for no other reason than to get you out of my face

the only time your sexual preferences or gender should play a role in your
life is when you're trying to get laid, start a relationship or have kids

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: D.M.T]
    #21174808 - 01/25/15 01:17 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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D.M.T said:
Plato and Aristotle had Athenian descent, yes they were white.

I wonder if other species besides humans have gender identity issues? Or are they strictly male/female? Or do they consider themselves genderless? Do they even know what gender is?



No, gender identity is a human construct. Bisexuality and homosexuality, on the other hand, are quite common in the animal kingdom.


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: D.M.T] * 1
    #21174813 - 01/25/15 01:18 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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TEMPLAR PALADIN said:
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InfiniteToker said:
Hows' come you make every thread about you BlindSophist?  This member is tired of seeing every thread become about the topic of transgender people.




If no one speaks up for transgender folks, who will?



No one.




Witty, but that's the biggest part of the problem. Remember the horrendous ways gays were treated during the AIDS crisis?

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21174815 - 01/25/15 01:19 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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akira_akuma said:
maybe sexuality isn't something to be flaunted arbitrarily during philosophical pursuits.




do you know why Dont Ask/Dont Tell was a good policy for the military?

because your sexuality on the job shouldnt matter, I dont care if you like to
fuck, men, women, transvestites or raccoons, I certainly dont need to hear
about it in the field, when I do hear about it then I have grounds for a
sexual harassment suit for no other reason than to get you out of my face

the only time your sexual preferences or gender should play a role in your
life is when you're trying to get laid, start a relationship or have kids



agreed, except for one thing. don't ask don't tell didn't make anything easy for people actually dealing with people presuming they're gay and then attacking them for it. no one needs to tell anything, just beat the fuck out of the guy. THAT is the problem in the military.

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