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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: morrowasted]
    #21172714 - 01/24/15 09:10 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Once again, the centerpiece of the scorn and ridicule piled upon any party advocating for equal representation is the non-sequitur use of transgender people as a punchline. That graphic uses me as a joke. I'd never wear makeup that looks like that, because I'm not a fucking drag queen. Morrowasted, I'm honestly disappointed, at least use some lube next time. This sort of dry-smashing really chaps my asshole. :crankey:

PS "Transgendered" is a politically incorrect nonsense word. Are you a "gingered" person, or does that sound fucking retarded?

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: morrowasted]
    #21173498 - 01/25/15 02:43 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Or transgendered people.

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=6222

The course syllabus employed a standardized canon of theory that began with Plato and Aristotle, then jumped to modern philosophers: Hobbes, Locke, Hegel, Marx, Weber and Foucault, all of whom are white men,” wrote the students. “The syllabus did not include a single woman or person of color.”

The students espoused their concerns surrounding the white male dominated material and suggest that simply assigning these authors without the inclusion of minority thought is not acknowledging “the other 99 percent of humanity.”

“These courses pretend that a minuscule fraction of humanity — economically privileged white males from five imperial countries (England, France, Germany, Italy and the United States) — are the only people to produce valid knowledge about the world,” wrote the students.

What do you think?





Lol guess I’m happy i don’t go to UCB

for being so smart and driven academically they are pretty fucking stupid as far as history (and hell even common sense) goes.


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economically privileged white males from five imperial countries (England, France, Germany, Italy and the United States)




lol

Germany and Italy both had bitch Empires. America didn’t even get into the game before the age of empire was basically over anyway. What the fuck did we colonize? Midway? :lol:
Why no mention of one of most important imperialists of them all, Spain?

Spainards aren’t white?  Gotcha mother fuckers
Now who’s racist
(also forgot Russia and the Ottomans. All three of which had much more epic empires than the Germans, Italians, or Americans)



The same countries they are ripping on are the ones that passed down the traditions of higher education and academia in the first place. If they are so offended they should give up their spots to people who actually want to go to one of the most prestigious schools in the country to learn, not to make a political statement.

Im sure the State University of Zimbabwe will be glad to take them :lolsy:

Im also pretty sure white men make up a lot more than 1% of humanity. In fact I’m going to go out on a lim and assume there are significantly more white male “imperialists” than Trannies

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: elax420]
    #21173518 - 01/25/15 03:04 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

"Tranny" isn't the nicest word to use


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21173521 - 01/25/15 03:06 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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PS "Transgendered" is a politically incorrect nonsense word. Are you a "gingered" person, or does that sound fucking retarded?



I don't know, calling someone 'gingered' seems like a pretty painful and hilarious insult.

"You fucking gingered bitch."

Love it.

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #21173523 - 01/25/15 03:07 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

:curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #21174022 - 01/25/15 09:15 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Once again, the centerpiece of the scorn and ridicule piled upon any party advocating for equal representation is the non-sequitur use of transgender people as a punchline. That graphic uses me as a joke. I'd never wear makeup that looks like that, because I'm not a fucking drag queen. Morrowasted, I'm honestly disappointed, at least use some lube next time. This sort of dry-smashing really chaps my asshole. :crankey:

PS "Transgendered" is a politically incorrect nonsense word. Are you a "gingered" person, or does that sound fucking retarded?



I don't see how transgender is a punchline here? The only reason it isn't in the title is because it wouldn't fit

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: morrowasted]
    #21174147 - 01/25/15 10:00 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I think she's referring to that faded out drag queen in the graphic at the actual link itself. Guessing BlindSophist is offended that transgenders are being confused with drag queens.

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: D.M.T]
    #21174156 - 01/25/15 10:02 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

That seems a little ridiculous to me. :patlal:


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 2
    #21174163 - 01/25/15 10:04 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Well, BlindSophist has been known to be a bit reactionary at times. :ilold:

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21174334 - 01/25/15 11:04 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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"Tranny" isn't the nicest word to use





Sorry dude.
If someone looks like they have, or have ever had a dick, and refer to themselves as a chick, I’m going to call them a tranny. Its not like I’m going to call them a woman (or in the reverse scenario, man) because thats just not true. Unless you take a shit load of exogenous hormones (which seems super dangerous) you still have the genetic makeup of the sex you were born as, regardless of how you dress.



Its not like I’m going to be openly or passively hostile or anything. I dont give a shit what people do with their own bodies, Im just calling it like it is.

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: D.M.T]
    #21174477 - 01/25/15 11:49 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I took Eastern Philosophy courses when I was in college myself.




did it cover the philosophies of white europeans?



Sure did not. Didn't include any transgender either. It's time for campus reform!






or maybe time for some tools to become professional students and spend 38
years in philosophy classes so all their bases are covered


or simply make wiser choices in the course they want to take and whether or
not they want to make my burger rights once they're out of college and in
the workforce with their 5 PhDs in philosophy and vagina studies

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: elax420]
    #21174520 - 01/25/15 12:01 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
Once again, the centerpiece of the scorn and ridicule piled upon any party advocating for equal representation is the non-sequitur use of transgender people as a punchline. That graphic uses me as a joke. I'd never wear makeup that looks like that, because I'm not a fucking drag queen. Morrowasted, I'm honestly disappointed, at least use some lube next time. This sort of dry-smashing really chaps my asshole. :crankey:

PS "Transgendered" is a politically incorrect nonsense word. Are you a "gingered" person, or does that sound fucking retarded?



I don't see how transgender is a punchline here? The only reason it isn't in the title is because it wouldn't fit




The article clearly uses the students' mention of trans people as a joke, with the big blown up graphic, and nonsequitur mentions. In this thread, too, it has become a disproportionate object of derision for the students' demands, even though those demands mostly related to ethnic minorities and women. Trans people are, in this article and in this thread, as in throughout the culture, seen not as people but as a general-purpose punchline that will fit any joke, as something self-evidently absurd and eminently deserving of mockery, regardless to one's political persuasion. That is why a far-right author like this will use mockery of trans people to attack the students' argument passively, instead of overtly pushing her snarling conservative politics.

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"Tranny" isn't the nicest word to use





Sorry dude.
If someone looks like they have, or have ever had a dick, and refer to themselves as a chick, I’m going to call them a tranny. Its not like I’m going to call them a woman (or in the reverse scenario, man) because thats just not true. Unless you take a shit load of exogenous hormones (which seems super dangerous) you still have the genetic makeup of the sex you were born as, regardless of how you dress.



Its not like I’m going to be openly or passively hostile or anything. I dont give a shit what people do with their own bodies, Im just calling it like it is.




"Tranny" is a slur. It would be like saying "Sorry dude, I'm going to call anybody with dark skin a <N-WORD>." It's not okay.

You are not calling it "like it is", rather you are merely expressing your own (very ignorant) opinion.

Oh yeah, check this out: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/827713

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21174614 - 01/25/15 12:21 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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That seems a little ridiculous to me. :patlal:




Trans people are not drag queens and drag queens are (usually) not trans people.


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21174621 - 01/25/15 12:24 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

You make some good points but they are often overshadowed by your emotions. Why do you take yourself so seriously?


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: mantis]
    #21174637 - 01/25/15 12:28 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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You make some good points but they are often overshadowed by your emotions. Why do you take yourself so seriously?




The type of routine, unquestioned stereotyping and mockery that you find in this article and thread predominates throughout our culture. I want to give the perspective that gets buried by this type of treatment. If I'm emotional, there's probably a good reason for that. Taking myself seriously was never the goal.


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: mantis]
    #21174640 - 01/25/15 12:29 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I mean it just seems ridiculous you get so butthurt.  For somebody who seems like they wouldn't like labels, you seem to label shit a lot. :strokebeard:


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21174647 - 01/25/15 12:31 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I can't but help use transgender philosophers as a punchline, not because they are transgender, but because it seems like such a statistical anomaly that I can't see them being around in the period of Aristotle and Socrates. Was there even such a thing in the period of classical philosophy? I'm lead to thinking not. That's why, for me, it is a punchline. It's not meant to be anything against transgenders themselves.

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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21174652 - 01/25/15 12:32 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I mean it just seems ridiculous you get so butthurt.  For somebody who seems like they wouldn't like labels, you seem to label shit a lot. :strokebeard:




I am regurgitating a lifetime of stereotypes that have harmed me, driven me into hiding and depression. I could go and watch a Mystery Science Theater 3000 episode and half the jokes will be about trans women, but for most of my life I accepted all of this type of abusive stereotyping as normal and unquestionable, and this has caused me great harm. Now I am challenging it instead of accepting it. I probably have a lot to learn re: how to do it most effectively, but it's something I feel very deeply compelled to do.


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: D.M.T]
    #21174660 - 01/25/15 12:36 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I can't but help use transgender philosophers as a punchline, not because they are transgender, but because it seems like such a statistical anomaly that I can't see them being around in the period of Aristotle and Socrates. Was there even such a thing in the period of classical philosophy? I'm lead to thinking not. That's why, for me, it is a punchline. It's not meant to be anything against transgenders themselves.




Trans people did exist in that time, or at least that time period. They have always existed. But the point is taken that they are a tiny minority, and I'm not arguing that philosophy classes should shoehorn in a transsexual philosopher regardless of their merit.


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Re: students at Berkeley outraged that their course material does not feature writings of nonwhites/fema [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #21174665 - 01/25/15 12:38 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

That sounds exhausting but I wish you the best of luck :cheers:
^ I'm not being sarcastic (just to be clear).


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