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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: thelanzii]
#21168663 - 01/23/15 07:51 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: thelanzii] 1
#21168684 - 01/23/15 07:59 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nemmies said: go bite into a live rabbit and tell me how your canines are sharp for a reason

this is by far the stupidest, most ignorant pile of bullshit ever
chimps arent frugivores, they're omnivores
http://www.janegoodall.ca/about-chimp-behaviour-diet.php
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Chimps are omnivores and eat not only fruits, nuts, seeds, blossoms, and leaves but many kinds of insects and occasionally, the meat of medium-sized mammals. Chimpanzees, like humans, have such diverse tastes that they are able to live in a wide variety of habitats, unlike gorillas and orang-utans which have more specialised diets in the wild.
think maybe that's a gorilla and that gorillas are frugivores?
http://www.janegoodall.org/blogs/gorillas-meat-eaters-too
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Jane Goodall first documented that wild chimpanzees occasionally hunt and eat small mammals. Now, there's evidence raising the possibility gorillas also eat small vertebrates such as monkeys and antelope -- but the researchers involved say more study is needed. The study was intended to examine bonobos' meat-eating habits, using gorillas in Loango National Park in Gabon as a control. The evidence showed animal DNA infeces of both control and study groups.
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21168706 - 01/23/15 08:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pris. hahahahaha
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: JesusIsLord]
#21168731 - 01/23/15 08:12 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I been waiting to use this
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Prisoner#1] 3
#21168752 - 01/23/15 08:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok guys lets stay on topic lol We are not here to debate if monkeys are or arent omnivores 
Please dont let this get de railed.
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Zombi3] 1
#21168782 - 01/23/15 08:28 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Q: how do you know when you're talking to a vegan? A: they'll tell you
Q: What do Vegans fear the most? A: Nutritionists with facts
If vegetarians love animals so much, why do they eat all their food?
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21168836 - 01/23/15 08:47 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: If vegetarians love animals so much, why do they eat all their food?
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath]
#21168853 - 01/23/15 08:52 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: If vegetarians love animals so much, why do they eat all their food?

I know I laughed too lol
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Zombi3] 1
#21168863 - 01/23/15 08:55 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Being a vegetarian just seems like a way for people to toot their own horn. Like honestly we are meant to eat meat and there is nothing wrong with it. Unless you torture animals you are a good person.
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Bitter Cactus]
#21168871 - 01/23/15 08:58 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have zero proof to support your claim. The presence of canine teeth does not mean we are meant to eat meat.
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Zombi3] 1
#21168880 - 01/23/15 09:00 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zombi3 said:
This is not a debate thread for meat vs no meat diets.
This is only a discussion on vegan vs vegetarian diets. I realize a lot of you feel both diets are unnecessary and thats fine, this just isnt the thread for you.
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Zombi3]
#21168904 - 01/23/15 09:08 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zombi3 said: You have zero proof to support your claim. The presence of canine teeth does not mean we are meant to eat meat.
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Zombi3 said: You have zero proof to support your claim. The presence of canine teeth does not mean we are meant to eat meat.
Maybe the fact that we learned to hunt it raise it cook it and digest it is better proof. just sayin.
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Zombi3]
#21168926 - 01/23/15 09:14 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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r00tuuu123 said: Maybe the fact that we learned to hunt it raise it cook it and digest it is better proof. just sayin. 
What youre saying is we "learned" to eat meat. Not that we were meant to eat it. But thats just in your words. 
Now..
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Zombi3 said:
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Zombi3 said:
This is not a debate thread for meat vs no meat diets.
This is only a discussion on vegan vs vegetarian diets. I realize a lot of you feel both diets are unnecessary and thats fine, this just isnt the thread for you.
Thanks.

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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Zombi3]
#21169029 - 01/23/15 09:45 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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The following is paraphrasing. I'm not citing anything, I'm not really debating anything. If anyone's interested for their own dieting reasons, I'll try to find more info for you. If it's for the purpose of debating diets, I'm not really trying to prove or disprove anything.
I eat fish and eggs, and don't eat other meats, so I'm kind of a vegetarian.
There was a study done on vegetarianism and veganism that found it to be no healthier or less healthy than meat based diets, these studies were done over the course of decades, and were primarily funded by and done by vegetarians and vegans. It was done measuring people's overall life expectancy, and looked at rates of heart problems, osteoporosis, alzheimers, among other health issues.
One diet that was found to increase ones lifespan somewhat significantly was a Mediterranean style diet. Essentially the core of your diet should be fruits (citrus, grapes, avocados, tomatoes), leafy greens (broccoli, cabbage, carrots, kale - all the shit that usually gets ignored), nuts and seeds (eat a handful of almonds before every meal), using olive oil (or alternatively coconut oil) in cooking.
There is meat intake in this diet, notably fish and poultry. The intake for these is small, and could be replaced with fake meats as well. The fish aspect does have specific oils that increase longevity and heart health though, so if you're going to skip fish in your diet in place of vegetarianism, you should include more nuts and seeds, as well as use a proper amount of olive oil and the like.
If you don't eat eggs or meat as a vegan, you need to take vitamin B daily pretty much for health reasons.
I think the big thing is eating a low fat diet, low fat meats, low cholesterol. If we're looking at vegetarianism from a moral perspective, eat what you want. If you want to eat like a vegetarian for health reasons (as the OP suggests), you need to cut the french fries, the wonder bread, the cheese on everything, the soda.
Sugar should come from fruit and whole wheat breads and stuff, not concentrated. I don't personally think there are major differences between HFCS and straight glucose, it's the method of digestion that causes problems. Your body should need to break apart the sugars it's consuming to stay healthy. This should be kept in mind for juicing I think. People may swear by juicing, and it's certainly better than soda due to the nutrients involved, and the added fiber; however I imagine it's still better to eat whole foods that contain sugar rather than consuming it in drink form.
And then just monitoring your food intake is big too.
It's like, if you wanna eat steak, eat steak. For health reasons, you should eat small amounts of it rather than a whole steak everyday. Same with hamburgers, bacon and all that. Some people might disagree, and advocate for a high protein - low carb diet. But Mediterranean diets have shown to increase lifespan more so than any other diet that has been studied over the course of several years (to my knowledge).
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Zombi3]
#21169054 - 01/23/15 09:52 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zombi3 said: You have zero proof to support your claim. The presence of canine teeth does not mean we are meant to eat meat.
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Zombi3 said: This is not a debate thread for meat vs no meat diets.
This is only a discussion on vegan vs vegetarian diets. I realize a lot of you feel both diets are unnecessary and thats fine, this just isnt the thread for you.
Thanks.
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Zombi3]
#21169058 - 01/23/15 09:53 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zombi3 said: What youre saying is we "learned" to eat meat. Not that we were meant to eat it. But thats just in your words. 
Now..
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Zombi3 said: This is not a debate thread for meat vs no meat diets.
This is only a discussion on vegan vs vegetarian diets. I realize a lot of you feel both diets are unnecessary and thats fine, this just isnt the thread for you.
Thanks.
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Prisoner#1] 2
#21169493 - 01/23/15 11:46 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: Q: how do you know when you're talking to a vegan? A: they'll tell you
Q: What do Vegans fear the most? A: Nutritionists with facts
If vegetarians love animals so much, why do they eat all their food?
how do you know if talking to a meat eater? they sound dumb ass fuck cause their brain is all foggy from the bacon grease. I have heard all this shit before. As if meat eaters aren't holier than though about their lifestyle.
I have stated my stance. Backed it up with with scientific sources. Great you commented on one picture. Gorillas and chimps eat mostly plants. The meat they do eat, you don't see them cooking. Bit into a live rabbit and tell me how well are teeth are setup for are clearly carnivorous ways.
"If vegetarians love animals so much, why do they eat all their food?" not clever at all really. More than enough food to go around. Especially to the millions of starving humans that could be helped but instead the grain is wasted on imprisoned animals. Not too mention the fact that there is no love in factory farming, thats bullshit and you know it. Cause your so concerned with the animals well being right? Meat farming destroys the planet more so than all of the gas cars we drive.
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: Zombi3]
#21170240 - 01/24/15 08:58 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zombi3 said: You have zero proof to support your claim. The presence of canine teeth does not mean we are meant to eat meat.
The idea that there are things we are "meant to eat" and other things that we aren't is something that itself needs justification. It's not like someone is sitting there designing animals to eat only certain things. Animals' can diets change over time (or else there would be no variation at all between the diets of different species since they all share a common ancestor) and adaptations to a certain food source can often be expectedto lag behind these changes.
Are pandas meant to eat bamboo? If we can look at their digestive systems and deduce "No, it doesn't appear that they are meant to eat bamboo, since they are very poorly equipped to get any energy out of it", then what are they doing eating it? If they are still around in half a million years and still eating bamboo, maybe they'll have longer intestines and adaptations for using the energy in cellulose. But how would this ever have happened if their ancestors hadn't started eating something they weren't "meant" to eat? If proto-pandas had never diverged from the diets of their carnivore ancestors, there would be no reason for any of those adaptations to be useful to them.
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Re: Is being Vegan any better or worse than being Vegetarian? [Re: PatrickKn]
#21170307 - 01/24/15 09:21 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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PatrickKn said: The following is paraphrasing. I'm not citing anything, I'm not really debating anything. If anyone's interested for their own dieting reasons, I'll try to find more info for you. If it's for the purpose of debating diets, I'm not really trying to prove or disprove anything.
I eat fish and eggs, and don't eat other meats, so I'm kind of a vegetarian.
There was a study done on vegetarianism and veganism that found it to be no healthier or less healthy than meat based diets, these studies were done over the course of decades, and were primarily funded by and done by vegetarians and vegans. It was done measuring people's overall life expectancy, and looked at rates of heart problems, osteoporosis, alzheimers, among other health issues.
One diet that was found to increase ones lifespan somewhat significantly was a Mediterranean style diet. Essentially the core of your diet should be fruits (citrus, grapes, avocados, tomatoes), leafy greens (broccoli, cabbage, carrots, kale - all the shit that usually gets ignored), nuts and seeds (eat a handful of almonds before every meal), using olive oil (or alternatively coconut oil) in cooking.
There is meat intake in this diet, notably fish and poultry. The intake for these is small, and could be replaced with fake meats as well. The fish aspect does have specific oils that increase longevity and heart health though, so if you're going to skip fish in your diet in place of vegetarianism, you should include more nuts and seeds, as well as use a proper amount of olive oil and the like.
If you don't eat eggs or meat as a vegan, you need to take vitamin B daily pretty much for health reasons.
I think the big thing is eating a low fat diet, low fat meats, low cholesterol. If we're looking at vegetarianism from a moral perspective, eat what you want. If you want to eat like a vegetarian for health reasons (as the OP suggests), you need to cut the french fries, the wonder bread, the cheese on everything, the soda.
Sugar should come from fruit and whole wheat breads and stuff, not concentrated. I don't personally think there are major differences between HFCS and straight glucose, it's the method of digestion that causes problems. Your body should need to break apart the sugars it's consuming to stay healthy. This should be kept in mind for juicing I think. People may swear by juicing, and it's certainly better than soda due to the nutrients involved, and the added fiber; however I imagine it's still better to eat whole foods that contain sugar rather than consuming it in drink form.
And then just monitoring your food intake is big too.
It's like, if you wanna eat steak, eat steak. For health reasons, you should eat small amounts of it rather than a whole steak everyday. Same with hamburgers, bacon and all that. Some people might disagree, and advocate for a high protein - low carb diet. But Mediterranean diets have shown to increase lifespan more so than any other diet that has been studied over the course of several years (to my knowledge).
show me this study please. cause alot of what I read in your post seems like bullshit and real surface level knowledge of veganism. all my research indicates that the longest living cultures in the world are ones who follow diets that consists of very little meat.
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