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RideAllBears
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What nutrients does the dog food add? Would using brf or something like that instead be as good?
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Abshroom
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RideAllBears said: What nutrients does the dog food add? Would using brf or something like that instead be as good?
Also what just came in my mind: adding a bit of brf and how about some coffee in the boiling grain water?
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hamloaf
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Abshroom]
#21478280 - 03/30/15 11:02 AM (9 years, 18 hours ago) |
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You can just add those ingredients to the substrate mix. Makes more of the aforementioned additives nutrients readily available to the mycelium when you add them to sterilized substrates. The coffee don't even have to be spent. The reason the coffee don't have to be spent is due to the sterilization of the substrates in prep for inoculation. If you were spawning to bulk, you'd have to use spent coffee grounds, and wouldn't be able to safely add the brf.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: hamloaf]
#21478349 - 03/30/15 11:26 AM (9 years, 17 hours ago) |
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There is fresh un spent coffee in the recipe. Add whatever you like. I throw in all kinds of shit. It just depends on what's handy.
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Abshroom
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
#21478353 - 03/30/15 11:29 AM (9 years, 17 hours ago) |
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hamloaf said: You can just add those ingredients to the substrate mix. Makes more of the aforementioned additives nutrients readily available to the mycelium when you add them to sterilized substrates. The coffee don't even have to be spent. The reason the coffee don't have to be spent is due to the sterilization of the substrates in prep for inoculation. If you were spawning to bulk, you'd have to use spent coffee grounds, and wouldn't be able to safely add the brf.
Why should it bd unsafe to use brf if u sterilize the whole Substrate? Shouldn't it increase yield because of the extra nutritions?
Edited by Abshroom (03/30/15 11:29 AM)
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Violet
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Abshroom]
#21478366 - 03/30/15 11:34 AM (9 years, 17 hours ago) |
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He said it wouldn't be safe to use BRF when spawning to bulk, as in a monotub. He's right. You shouldn't have such nutritious sub uncolonized in unsterile environs.
Your question is right. You can add BRF to a strrilized substrate mix if it stays sterile like these bottles. It will increase your total yield, likely involving dunks to get it, since BRF can't easily be added wet.
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urthtown
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
#21479868 - 03/30/15 03:40 PM (9 years, 13 hours ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Add whatever you like. I throw in all kinds of shit. It just depends on what's handy.
This is why I love this method so much. You can literally whip up a bottle out of so many different things and it produces awesome. My timothy hay, verm, coffee and brown rice bottles are on their third flush and I've already harvested 330 grams wet off three pint pp5s.
You could also work down to a specific recipe - which is essentially what Muda has done with his recipe. Just use what you have on hand and in stores convenient to you.
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bodhisatta
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Abshroom]
#21480249 - 03/30/15 05:14 PM (9 years, 11 hours ago) |
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Abshroom said:
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hamloaf said: You can just add those ingredients to the substrate mix. Makes more of the aforementioned additives nutrients readily available to the mycelium when you add them to sterilized substrates. The coffee don't even have to be spent. The reason the coffee don't have to be spent is due to the sterilization of the substrates in prep for inoculation. If you were spawning to bulk, you'd have to use spent coffee grounds, and wouldn't be able to safely add the brf.
Why should it bd unsafe to use brf if u sterilize the whole Substrate? Shouldn't it increase yield because of the extra nutritions?
he said it would be unsafe if you didn't sterilize the BRF and instead spawned it to bulk.
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If you were spawning to bulk, you'd have to use spent coffee grounds, and wouldn't be able to safely add the brf.
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E.FTS
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Shit...
So I just pulled my bag out to start Mudas Tek tonight. Bought my Ziplocs...I fucking bought rolled oats I lost my damn receipt too.
Can I salvage this or nah? I don't see why not seeing as it will be mixed with coir + dog food + coffee + wheat. The stickiness shouldn't matter I don't think.
Should I prep them the same way according to the Tek?
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MudaFuka
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: E.FTS]
#21481487 - 03/30/15 10:37 PM (9 years, 6 hours ago) |
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For spawn rolled oats are a starchy nightmare but for this tek they should be OK. I've never used them though so I'm just speculating. As far as the prep goes
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kushroom
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
#21481612 - 03/30/15 11:09 PM (9 years, 5 hours ago) |
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Man the pics of them flushes are beautiful!!
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E.FTS
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
#21481846 - 03/31/15 12:40 AM (9 years, 4 hours ago) |
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MudaFuka said: For spawn rolled oats are a starchy nightmare but for this tek they should be OK. I've never used them though so I'm just speculating. As far as the prep goes
I just got done boiling as per tek. Its oatmeal with hulls in it pretty much. Sticky mess. Ill PC later on tonight.
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urthtown
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: E.FTS]
#21482470 - 03/31/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Muda - I love these bottles dude!
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RideAllBears
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: urthtown]
#21482683 - 03/31/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was pretty sure someone posted here saying something about trying these with just straw and whole wheat flour. Was that post deleted? Another thread?
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RideAllBears said: I was pretty sure someone posted here saying something about trying these with just straw and whole wheat flour. Was that post deleted? Another thread?
There's no write up for it yet. We gotta wait a bit longer. Should be worth it though.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Grey]
#21484073 - 03/31/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yah that's pasty's thing. I saw a prevent of it and it looks pretty impressive.
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hamloaf
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
#21484417 - 03/31/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: There is fresh un spent coffee in the recipe. Add whatever you like. I throw in all kinds of shit. It just depends on what's handy.
I understand and realize all this.
Decided to start with the OG recipe with the addition of other additives and bulk sub materials had at the disposal, and expand upon this tek in using spawn bags instead of bottles/jars.
Much more potential advantages using spawn bags as (here it comes...) the media vessel of choice over bottles/jars it's not even funny. Like from fruiting invitro to removing the bag all together. In spawn bags you are definitely NOT confined to only being able to fruit one way.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: hamloaf]
#21484507 - 03/31/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can fruit thes out of the bottles too but choose not to because they would dry faster and be more work to harvest. The BE is also higher with smaller subs but to each their own.
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hamloaf
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
#21484547 - 03/31/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for the tips, but yea. In the spirit of what I have laying around, I am going to try it. I also have a humidity controlled environment, so the cakes drying up will be a non-issue for me. Smaller substrates equaling higher biological efficiency is what has been discovered as well, and is why bulk substrates in monotubs are only made 1-2 inches thick.
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bodhisatta
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: hamloaf]
#21485519 - 03/31/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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some stuff mostly straw
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