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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: fuzzysig]
#20954997 - 12/09/14 09:09 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: yeah]
#20955359 - 12/09/14 10:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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focus factor supplement I could only handle a week
it was like drinking a 3 shot mocha every day
5-htp also was a bit rough.it was a weird feeling like I was relaxed but zombie at the same time.
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: fuzzysig]
#20963439 - 12/11/14 07:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lingzhi is one of the precious medicine, which uses fine-gas utility, sedation and strong muscles. In recent decades, Lingzhi is one of the drugs of the scientists noticed a very deep research on all aspects. Results showed that pharmacological effects of Ganoderma are plentiful, including the useful features of the cardiovascular system, wish you success
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: Icelander]
#20970385 - 12/13/14 09:09 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I also have had no perceived effects from its consumption and have heard of potential physiological negative effects.
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: Jaegar]
#20970910 - 12/13/14 11:42 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you talking creatine? If so did you load it for about a week and then use it after weight training with some Vit C? Every time I've done that I put on muscle very fast and I've been lifting weights pretty religiously for about 30 years. That has been my experience with everyone I know also.
And yes there may be downsides to it's use. Like most shit.
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: Icelander]
#20986381 - 12/16/14 07:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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well this is interesting. yesterday I was actually able to focus on something I think that low dose of mushrooms is leaving a new skill and Im starting to learn how to focus without drinking the tea it was pretty unexpected...
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: fuzzysig]
#20997777 - 12/19/14 06:23 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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getting great results with memantine 15mg / day.
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OBJECTIVES: Available pharmacotherapies treat some adults with ADHD inadequately. A small literature suggests that glutamate modulation could have effects on ADHD.
METHODS: Memantine, an N-methyl-d-aspartate (NMDA) receptor antagonist, was titrated to a maximum dose of 10 mg BID in 34 adult subjects aged 18-55 who met DSM-IV criteria for ADHD or ADHD NOS on structured interview. Twenty-eight subjects completed 12 weeks exposure. The Adult ADHD Investigator Symptom Report (AISRS), Clinical Global Impression (CGI), a neuropsychological battery sensitive to domains of executive function, and the CANTAB cognitive battery were administered. Paired t-tests compared treated and baseline scores.
RESULTS: At week 12, AISRS data showed reduction in total symptoms (-17.5, P < 0.001), inattentive symptoms (-10.6, P < 0.001), and hyperactive symptoms (-6.9, P < 0.01). A total of 44% of subjects had CGI ratings of much or very much improved. Cognitive performance improved in measures of attention, working memory, and other selected executive domains by weeks 6 and 12 (each P < 0.05); simple reaction time declined by week 12 (P < 0.05). There were no severe adverse events, but mild adverse events were common and six subjects discontinued due to adverse effects.
CONCLUSIONS: Memantine was largely well-tolerated and associated with improvement in ADHD symptoms and neuropsychological performance. Randomized studies are indicated to confirm whether memantine is a novel therapy for ADHD across the lifespan.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22436083
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: Hobozen] 1
#20997838 - 12/19/14 06:56 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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i haven't been able to read this well in years; finished a 200 page book in 4 days.
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: Hobozen]
#20997846 - 12/19/14 07:00 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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another thing to note is that this drug is an NMDA antagonist like ketamine, and ketamine also helps me to focus.
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: Hobozen]
#20999159 - 12/19/14 02:33 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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blankk said: i haven't been able to read this well in years; finished a 200 page book in 4 days.
You have my interest, I'm gonna keep my prospects open to this drug, I'm a very thorough reader which is good, but it means I'm a very slow reader too. Very slow lol. I like to understand everything that I'm reading and my reading comprehension has always been great but time is always a factor in life, and my last semester I had to read thousands of pages (like around 3k probably) for TWO entry level college classes. I think I need to refine my college reading skills, as I think it's a different type of reading than if you read say, a novel. Nonetheless, I could really use something to focus. Amphetamines have always helped me in these instances, but I wouldn't like them every day (if I got a script I'd take 4x the dose once every 4 days) lol.
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blankk said: another thing to note is that this drug is an NMDA antagonist like ketamine, and ketamine also helps me to focus.
I noticed that when you mentioned the NMDA receptor, does this drug have any recreational effects? Is it subjectively like a dissociative in any way to you? I LOVE dissos, I'm sure this doesn't work quite like them though, or doesn't feel like them anyway. Are there any contraindications I should be aware of? Does taking it daily reduce the effects of any other drugs? Including dissociatives themselves? The whole reading 200 pages in 4 days interests me as that is somewhat of an accomplishment for me too.
... While presumably doing other things of course lol. Last weekend I read 200 pages in 8-10 hours on meth, and at this point I'd say it was worth it since my semester seemed to end alright, but I had the worst empty brain feeling an hour ago when I woke up, it seems to have died down a bit since kratting up, but I did blow through about a gram of crystal in a week and a half. I have had mixed results studying with meth; it's not something I'd recommend though, particularly cuz it isn't "mild" ha.
If nobody has mentioned it yet (caffeine is obvious, kratom helps me in so many ways personally also) but how about mucuna pruriens? I got a pound of that a few weeks ago (gonna take a while to get through that much) it's really cheap you can find it on Amazon, surprisingly it does help me focus a bit while it's active but unfortunately it only seems to stay active for around 2 hours, and after it feels like there's a small crash. It's definitely mild, but noticeable; would recommend.
Good luck OP, I'm always searching for the same thing, my focus isn't the best
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: extreme]
#20999242 - 12/19/14 02:57 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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extreme said: I noticed that when you mentioned the NMDA receptor, does this drug have any recreational effects?
I believe it does have dissociative effects at high dosages, however it's not a pleasant experience from what I remember reading. I could be mistaken though.
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Is it subjectively like a dissociative in any way to you?
No, the effects are very subtle. It has no recreational value at all. I do notice that my mind is more spacey, and my thoughts don't race and bounce around as much.
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Are there any contraindications I should be aware of?
It causes over-stimulation when mixed with drugs that raise dopamine levels like Welbutrin and Deprenyl. Other than that I think it's pretty benign.
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Does taking it daily reduce the effects of any other drugs?
It lowers tolerance to amphetamines and maybe some other drugs, though some report decreased euphoria. Some notice no change.
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On my to do list 
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The whole reading 200 pages in 4 days interests me as that is somewhat of an accomplishment for me too.
Yeah it's exciting. I've had physical head injuries, been through psychosis, addiction.... my cognitive abilities have went downhill over the years to say the least.
This is a long thread but worth checking out -
http://www.addforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=d8c9763a4d53a3f5b0ea2c4ba37dd2a5&t=80317
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: Hobozen]
#20999336 - 12/19/14 03:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Awesome, thanks for the info 
My cognitive abilities have surely declined a little over recent years as well due to my drug use and such things, I don't feel any more stupid than I ever was, quite the opposite really, I feel like in the past couple years I've found a certain way of thinking about things that I've never had before (or always had but hadn't tapped into yet) that gives me another perspective, and is very useful and helpful as a mode of thinking. With that said, I do feel kinda "slow" though sometimes haha.
I read the first couple posts in that link too; very interesting! I'm gonna keep researching this. Is it any easy script to get? Could I even just ask my doc to try me on it? I've never been diagnosed with ADHD or anything like that before, and I don't know how closely I relate to things like ADHD in the first place, but I do think I am exceptionally OCD compared to the average person. It has its pros and cons. A major con being I work at a slower pace. I'm in my early-mid 20s now, and I do sometimes think that since I've never talked much with my doc about focus issues in the past and I've even completed some college, that if I all of a sudden say it's hard for me to focus they'll think I'm BSing them just to get a script (and maybe I am a LITTLE bit) but overall I think I really do need something to help me. School stresses me out so much if I don't have anything to help me focus. I always doubt that I could get a degree without some medication.
Gonna see what I can do. This semester just ended 2 days ago, I'm gonna schedule a doc appt soon and see what I can get before next semester. Hoping for the best. Thanks again!
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: extreme]
#20999537 - 12/19/14 04:17 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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extreme said: Awesome, thanks for the info 
My cognitive abilities have surely declined a little over recent years as well due to my drug use and such things, I don't feel any more stupid than I ever was, quite the opposite really, I feel like in the past couple years I've found a certain way of thinking about things that I've never had before (or always had but hadn't tapped into yet) that gives me another perspective, and is very useful and helpful as a mode of thinking. With that said, I do feel kinda "slow" though sometimes haha.
Yeah I hear ya, I don't feel as "stuck" as I used to.
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I read the first couple posts in that link too; very interesting! I'm gonna keep researching this. Is it any easy script to get? Could I even just ask my doc to try me on it?
There's a few people in that thread I linked to who printed out studies and convinced their doctor to write them one. I paid $25 for 3 grams from a source i found on longecity
You have to dose every day at the exact same time tho for some reason or it doesn't work as efficiently, I'm not sure why exactly.
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: fuzzysig]
#21000351 - 12/19/14 07:41 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Picamilon, 50-150 mg works, is mild, and is not a prescription drug in the USA, as methylphenidate (Ritalin®) is. You can find an intermediary effect somewhere between Picamilon and Ritalin® in Modafinil® which we purchased through a Canadian company without a prescription (unfortunately, they went out of business). Even 1/4 tablet is useful. No more than 1/2 for me, and my friends also think a whole tab is uncomfortable. In combination with coffee I get mild tachycardia, but having a mitral valve prolapse i don't want any complications from stimulants.
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: Hobozen]
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blankk said: There's a few people in that thread I linked to who printed out studies and convinced their doctor to write them one. I paid $25 for 3 grams from a source i found on longecity
You have to dose every day at the exact same time tho for some reason or it doesn't work as efficiently, I'm not sure why exactly.
So you can just buy this online too? As a powder? That might be even easier, especially if the dose is low. So is it like an acute change in cognition like Adderall, or is it a more long term thing that slowly clears your mind in a more benign way?
It sounds more like the latter, but it still may end up working pretty quickly..? I just ran out of Welbutrin which I've been taking for ~3 months or so, for depression/anxiety, as SSRIs give me bad side effects and I refuse to take them anymore (tried Buspar too, same shit side effects) I really don't notice any change with the Welbutrin, I guess nothing has really gotten worse, so I mean there's that, but at this point there are no huge benefits though either. Not sure if I should keep taking that or not. I saw you said it interacts with Welbutrin in some way. If this is something I need to take daily in a more benign way, hopefully I can still get sleep at least, I'd probably take it at like 4 PM each day lol.
That modafinil stuff (and the other one that turns into it, that's more legal??) have been things I've kept my eyes on, but I've heard mixed reviews, some really good but some not so good. This year I've tried giving a variety of supplements and nootropics a try to see if any could help restore my brain a little and get it back in decent shape; I have a small bucket of piracetam and some other things, but so for I haven't noticed anything notable from any of that stuff
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: extreme]
#21001100 - 12/19/14 10:35 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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extreme said: That might be even easier, especially if the dose is low. So is it like an acute change in cognition like Adderall, or is it a more long term thing that slowly clears your mind in a more benign way? It sounds more like the latter, but it still may end up working pretty quickly..?
yeah... most experience brain fog for up to 7 days which is followed by clarity. i think the effects peak at around the 3-6 month mark, and then it levels out. some don't get anything from it. maybe their glutamine levels are OK??
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I just ran out of Welbutrin which I've been taking for ~3 months or so, for depression/anxiety, as SSRIs give me bad side effects and I refuse to take them anymore (tried Buspar too, same shit side effects) I really don't notice any change with the Welbutrin, I guess nothing has really gotten worse, so I mean there's that, but at this point there are no huge benefits though either. Not sure if I should keep taking that or not. I saw you said it interacts with Welbutrin in some way. If this is something I need to take daily in a more benign way, hopefully I can still get sleep at least, I'd probably take it at like 4 PM each day lol.
increases the efficacy of SSRIs and anti-psychotics. too much dopamine/stimulation/wiriness with Welbutrin.
some report that it interferes with sleep & increases dream vividness.
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: Hobozen]
#21001245 - 12/19/14 11:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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blankk said: some report that it interferes with sleep & increases dream vividness.
I'll take many side effects from any drug to increase dream "vividness" dreaming is my #1 favorite thing in the world. Or well, it's up there 
Thanks for everything, I'm gonna check it out
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: extreme]
#21001313 - 12/19/14 11:48 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man... some of the craziest dreams last few nights. Last night was out of this world, one long strange stretched out dream. Can't wait for tonight.
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: Hobozen]
#21137831 - 01/18/15 11:44 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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the microdose been doing great btw. since I started once a week I get more sht done that way that I do in a month without it.
im only brewing about .2-.5gram at a time and its enough to get me out of my foggy mindset. at this point im sure its turning into an anchor which is also great I have a solid anchor when I need to get sht done without procrastinating.
the 2 exams I took after drinking tea I scored 10-15 points higher than without it.
and since I started doing it I got my coffee addiction "adjusted" switched to decaf and now brew it at home I can drink decaf all day and still have less caffeine than I normally drink regular espresso
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Re: mild drugs to help focus? [Re: fuzzysig]
#21167372 - 01/23/15 01:14 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Try mastering a yoga pose. 2 or so minutes and you have a health benefit, try learning a headstand, if you can break the 15 - 20 minute barrier you would definitely get some lasting positive results.
Sometimes I chug 300 or so mg of dxm before work, I have a tolerance so I'm not high, I barely feel it but it allows me to be my best self for people.
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