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The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's
    #21164457 - 01/22/15 07:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Without World War 2, The Holocaust and Nuclear Warfare,

We would have never gotten the peace and love wave of the 60's and 70's. The use of psychedelic drugs for psychic healing and expanded mental awareness.

You might even say that all that terrible shit was necessary for the expansion that followed it.

Now the question I have is... are we in good times or bad times? Seems like it's been getting more confusing lately, you know? There is all this awareness of terrible shit that corporations are a part of, the enviromental problems of the planet, the corruption in banks and governments and the media.

On the other hand, consumer lifestyle is pretty damn comfortable these days - everyone has air conditioning, television, internet, Netflix, coffee mugs, posters, coffee tables, stereos, refridgerators, video games, showers, etc etc

Why it gets confusing to me is when I question my loyalties. Am I a global citizen, and then what does that mean for my beliefs? Am I a hedonist? Am I a rationalist? A buddhist???

I feel like things have gotten more complicated with the ever increasing number of ideologies.. veganism, atheism, ravers, anarchists, existentialists, humanists, racists, psychonauts, hippies, rational consumer.

Does this shit get overwhelming for anyone else?

Anyway, I'm also interested in hearing what you think is going to happen in the next 20-30 years. Seems like things could go a lot of different ways for the western world. Shit will probably only get more complicated as new innovations arise. Robots and such.

Or do you opt out of the matrix altogether - live a life of activism through peace and simplicity. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. :cheers:


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Re: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #21165776 - 01/23/15 01:29 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I encourage you to continue asking yourself these sort of questions.  As you develop your mind, and imbue your heart with consideration for others (virtue), your heart will naturally become your guide.  This intuition I refer to comes from the heart, and is not to be confused with the solar plexus, or 'gut feeling.'


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Ever since the end of 2012, the energies of Aquarius became ascendant over Pisces.  So if you are responsive to the new energies, you will receive abundant guidance and nourishment.

If you want to make the world a better place, you must begin with yourself. 

Make the most of this critical period to become a better person, and if you are willing, find ways to be of service to the people around you.  You don't have to travel to another continent to be of service to the world, there are plenty of opportunities right where you are.  You don't have to force your 'help' on others.  If your heart is in the right place, the opportunities to serve will naturally come your way. 


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"The problems of mankind are real but solvable. The solution lies within your grasp. Take your brother’s need as the measure for your action and solve the problems of the world." (Maitreya, from Message No. 52)

"Service is the lever of the evolutionary path. Through service we learn to identify with that which we serve, and so a shift occurs in our centre of focus. It shifts from the personal, the selfish, to the impersonal, the unselfish. And, in doing that, we identify more and more with more and more. The way is through service. That is why it was instituted by the Christ in Palestine, as a lever for the evolutionary process, because, as we begin to serve, we become more and more decentralized, we identify with more and more, until we can identify with everything that is. And when we can identify with everything that is, we are everything that is. We are God. We release our Divinity." (Benjamin Creme, The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom)

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"Shiva and Brahma can be seen as aspects of a trinity that includes Vishnu, the sustaining aspect. If a person is overpowered by Shiv-shakti, he can perform miracles. Yet the person looks withdrawn, blank. If a person is overpowered by Brahma, he can be a philosopher, but he can be imprisoned in that thought-formation. A person overpowered by the Vishnu aspect can give, and give generously, perhaps become a saint, but that, too, can be a prison. During the 1960s, ‘hippies’ responded to the Vishnu aspect, having become disillusioned with power (Shiv–shakti) and mind (Brahma)." (Benjamin Creme, Maitreya's Mission Volume Two)


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As long as you are willing to change, and are responding correctly to the new energies, you will be blessed by the Lord.

The future for human beings who do not change will be bleak.  That's just the way it is.  God will not keep around humans who become thoroughly rotten.

When pride completely takes over a person, he thinks he can defy God the same way he defies humans.  It's really sad.


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Re: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: ShareDiamond]
    #21166580 - 01/23/15 09:13 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Good post Eternal. It has always been difficult to tell what the future will hold, but that especially seems to be the case today.  There are positive gains being made to increase liberty and the quality of human life. However many people throughout the world seem to be becoming more radicalized and willing to use violence. As you point out past events shape the current state of affairs. My biggest concern moving forward is that increased radicalization in the muslim world and also in the West will lead us down a path where personal liberties are further trampled upon as so often happens in times of war and national security.


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Re: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's *DELETED* [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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Re: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: Lakefingers]
    #21166779 - 01/23/15 10:09 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

The only way, as far as I can tell, that one can "opt out of the matrix altogether" is to be dead.  You're here, you're part of it, you're guilty, you're in.  No choice.

I agree with Lakefingers that shit's going to get hairy (or even more so than now).  If you think things are bad at under eight billion, wait until we get to ten or twelve.  What a mess!

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Are we living in an enlightened, post-industrial age? Or are we in a dark, high-tech aftermath of the most violent century in the history of mankind?




I'll answer B., with special emphasis on "dark."


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Re: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: Lakefingers]
    #21166994 - 01/23/15 11:07 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Lakefingers said:
:braindamage:

I had a very kind uncle who dedicated his life to others and imbued his heart with consideration for others, but all he got was cardiovascular disease and just before he died he was giving money to a beggar who mugged and killed him.

Apparently "the opportunities" were a bit hard on him. Yes, he did change a lot over the years, so it can't be that. It's clear the almighty Lord had something against the faithful servant he had made my uncle.

The question is why an omnipotent, omniscient god let this happen and lets the thoroughly rotten man that killed him live on, and why you believe all the nonsense you posted above.




If anything he died honourably at the hands of one without honour. God has a way of taking people in seemingly mysterious circumstances or manner. Upon exploration of the full facts it is found that such death always occurs according to the Tao. Death to an atheist is a permanent thing so it appears to be significant when God takes a life. But in fact God is the essence that gives life and takes it away in precise measure. Nobody will get more life than they need to, nobody will get less life than they need to. And if somebody seeks honour then honour comes with living aligned with Goodness.

Nothing to say regarding who your uncle was within himself. Do you know enough regarding that matter to comment in that respect?



OP: I get the feeling we are living in a rainbow age. It is neither dark nor light. It is SPECTRUM, the full works. All of humanity's ugliness, all of humanity's beauty coming to the forefront. Everything, all the dark and deep thoughts we held in ourselves, it all comes to the forefront of the Internet one way or another. For the first time, we're getting a good look at the Earth and what is actually going on. Years ago you could live your entire life entirely unaware of somebody else who was living their entire life locked in a torture room. Now however this can no longer be. All must surface, all must be in the open.


With organisations tracing lineages and running DNA analysis and finding out which genes cause what, it is only a matter of time before we can fully describe the human condition and then error will be rendered distinct from justice. Only a matter of time.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re 2: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: Lakefingers]
    #21169680 - 01/24/15 12:58 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

You pose a deep question brother, 

Although the answers you are looking for can be found within the resources I previously posted; I will try my best to explain in my own way.  The answer to this question is really beyond the scope of a single post, and you may not be satisfied with it until you follow up with your own reading and reflection. 

Without having some faith in the plausibility of supporting background statements or claims, this may very well remain nonsense to you. 


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Humans are tiny fragments of a subtler self, the soul or causal consciousness, and the soul is yet another tiny fragment of a tiny spark of God. Basically, humans are unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but try telling that to your average person, who thinks the universe revolves around his or herself. 

Maitreya teaches: “The Self alone matters.” You are that Self, “an immortal being”. Suffering is caused by identification with anything and everything which is not the Self. Ask yourself: “Who am I?” You will see that you are identified either with matter (the body), or with thought (the mind) or with power (spirit). But you are none of these. “Mind, spirit and body are the temples of the Lord.” The Self experiences in these “the supreme Being and Becoming of the Lord.” Being is eternal, Becoming is the unfolding in time and space. The Self experiences both." (Benjamin Creme, Maitreya's Teachings the Laws of Life)

The human unit, or personality, with its mental, emotional, and physical bodies, are just vehicles or garments for the Self, your immortal Self.  If you only identify with your thoughts, your feelings, your beliefs, your memories, or your physical body, you will live in constant fear and self-pity because none of these things are permanent.  When we form attachments to impermanent things, we get wrapped up in them, and can no longer free ourselves. 


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Conditioning — "In the biblical story of the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve were told not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This means “Do not follow prakritis”. This Sanskrit word refers to material activity or matter in broad terms, but prakritis (in the plural) also means human activities which are the result of conditioning. Thus Adam and Eve were tempted by the snake, the symbol of prakritis, that is, conditioning — the opposite of freedom.

Once you ‘eat’ knowledge (a possessive act) rather than facing knowledge with awareness, whereby you understand that you must not ‘grab’, you are no longer free.

When [Jiddu] Krishnamurti became aware in this way, he declined the role of guru: the true Lord is in the heart. If you want to know Him, try to understand the voice of silence. In silence there is freedom from prakritis, from conditioning. Silence is that space which is free from conditioning. What is important is the Lord within you.

“Be sincere in your spirit, be honest in your mind, be detached.” When you surrender the Self to mind, spirit and body (when you identify with thought, power and matter), everything becomes predestined. This means that you are subject to conditioning, your thoughts and acts are the result of conditioning, you lose your free will."

Thus attachment is loss of freedom. Detachment is freedom."
  (Benjamin Creme, Maitreya's Teachings the Laws of Life)


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I cannot speak for your uncle, but I will give some examples that may help illustrate his type of case.  But before I do that, I should provide some background information on the Law of Cause and Effect, or the Law of Karma.  Keep in mind, this by no means summarizes this profound spiritual law; but it will have to do for the purposes of this discussion:


"The Law of Cause and Effect is the basic law governing our existence in this solar system and is the outcome of the action of the energy of the ‘alter ego’ of our system, the constellation Sirius. Just as our personalities are acting out, more or less well, the intentions of ourselves as souls, so this solar system acts under the intentions of Sirius as its ‘soul’. To put it more succinctly, the relationship between Sirius and this solar system is the same as the relationship between our soul and its reflection, the personality. Every thought, every action that we have and make, sets into motion a cause. These causes have their effects. These effects make our lives, for good or ill. We are now, have been, and will go on, making our lives from moment to moment. Sooner or later, the causes set into motion by our thoughts and actions will produce effects which will rebound on us; and we will experience that as ‘good’ or ‘bad’ karma. When it is uncomfortable we call it bad karma. And when it is good karma, when life is comfortable, easy, we do not notice it. We take it as our right, our due, because that is what we expect life to be like. People really only talk about karma when they mean bad karma. It is important to realize and remember that we have more ‘good’ karma than ‘bad’ karma.

"Like all laws, the Law of Karma is under the control, the jurisdiction, of certain entities — in this case, the Lords of Karma. The Lords of Karma are like cosmic judges. They look at this action and reaction of causes and effects which we set in motion, and they regulate this according to our needs as evolving souls. Our souls incarnate in a personality with a given structure of energies, rays, which relate to the karma and the possibilities of that particular incarnation. The souls cooperate with the Lords of Karma to decide, you might think, what pain or pleasure we will suffer in any particular life. That, of course, is precisely the wrong way to describe what happens. The soul is not at all interested, nor are the Lords of Karma, in our pleasure or our suffering. These are simply psychological reactions to events. What they are interested in is the working out of the Law, the cosmic Law of Cause and Effect. Also, the soul has its own purposes for every given incarnation. It provides itself with a vehicle, the personality, with mental, emotional and physical bodies which will provide the possibility for its intentions being achieved in that particular life. That purpose might not be achieved, but the soul provides the possibility. The soul lives ever in hope!

"The ultimate aim is to live life in such a way that we make no personal karma. We can do that either by being perfect or by being dead. Since being perfect is much more interesting than being dead, most people accept the premise of trying, more or less, to achieve the soul’s purpose and staying to the last possible moment to do so. Thus, we work with this burden of karma which we have ourselves created in the present and past lives. We try, consciously or unconsciously, to become perfect. We have no control over the events of life. The only thing we can control is our reaction to these events. So the aim is to achieve such a measure of detachment from events that we can control ourselves.

"In this way we cope with the burden of karma in any given incarnation. This is not a case of sitting in a catatonic stupor, so that we do nothing and therefore create no karma. What we can do, in every event, in every situation, is distance ourselves from that event. Looking at the event as being out there, with ourselves here, and not react. In this way we gradually create an impersonality in relation to life, a detachment in relation to events, where we become indifferent to whether our karma is ‘good’ or ‘bad’.

"Correctly seen, evolutionary life is a gradual renunciation of the lower for the sake of the higher. As a soul in incarnation, a high level of divinity has incarnated at a lower level of divinity. The journey to perfection, the evolutionary goal, is the gradual renunciation of these lower levels by embodying, at these lower levels, the higher; becoming more and more what one essentially is as a soul. The soul makes its journey into incarnation over aeons of time, and then back, out of the need to incarnate. The path of return for the soul is the gradual release of itself from the limitations of the physical, astral, and mental planes. This is done by infusing its vehicles, physical, emotional and mental, with its energies and qualities."
(Benjamin Creme, Maitreya's Mission Volume One)


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"..Thus will the Sword of Cleavage present to men their choice: to continue on the downward slope to unrelenting suffering and pain – or to remedy the ills of the past and enter into their birthright." (Benjamin Creme’s Master, from ‘The time has come’)


We are repeatedly reborn into this mortal world of illusion, limitation and suffering because we have accumulated tremendous amounts of unresolved karma, or sin over countless, past incarnations.  If, at this already low-level of existence, you still cannot take responsibility for your past misdeeds, you will never change because it proves that even terrible suffering cannot move your heart.  Earth is our last stop, and our last chance for salvation or redemption.  That is how far we have fallen.  If we fail this time, we face perdition. 

Men who pursue worldly objects at the expense of their brethren, only gain things that lasts for one lifetime, but in their ignorance, they accumulate loads and loads of bad karma. 

On the surface, exclusive and privileged people 'appear' to always get away with things, and consequently people selfishly aspire to become more like them, hoping to gain similar prerogatives and advantages.  But in their ruthless pursuit of selfish and separative power, trampling over the rights of others, taking advantage of people without any remorse, shamelessly using and disposing of their weaker brethren to satisfy their personal demons, they blindly sow their future sorrow and suffering.  Maybe the worst thing they will contract in this life is an incurable disease, but they do not foresee what awaits them in future incarnations. 

What I mean by a thoroughly rotten human is someone who no longer has any humanity or righteousness left in his heart.  These 'shells' are completely obsessed by their demonic attachments: pride, anger, jealousy, greed, lust, etc.  They identify completely with their separative second-nature, and this state of conditioning prevents them from recognizing or responding to any higher light or wisdom.

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There is truth to the verse: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."  If you carefully study the life of Jesus, you can understand why a person would choose to steep his life in self-sacrifice, voluntary suffering, and service to humanity. 

When a person makes a conscious decision to imbue his heart with virtue (which is another way of saying he is willing to remedy the ills of the past), he is really taking responsibility for his own destiny.  Ordinary people are afraid of suffering, but disciples of the Lord know they must undergo a controlled form of suffering, that is, our bad karma is constructively used to train, test and forge us until we prove ourselves to be worthy servants of the Lord.  When we reach the Fifth Initiation, or Resurrection, all of our personal karma, or sins will be wiped away; and so the courageous self-sacrifice Jesus made for humanity nearly 2,000 years ago will prove to not have been in vain.  Today, the door is wide open for all men to enter into their birthright.

When 'bad' things happen to people taking the selfless path, they are usually, knowingly burning off a heavy karmic debt for that particular incarnation.  The soul decides all of this before the man or woman is even born.  This process eventually culminates in the reincarnating personality reuniting with his soul, and thus transpires his deliberate transition out of the human kingdom and into the Spiritual Hierarchy, or the Kingdom of God (i.e., spiritual evolution, or the path of initiation). Thus can he choose to permanently end, the miserable cycle of birth and death. 


"As the person devotes himself to service, he is creating conditions which we call good karma. The individual is creating an energetic balance which affects his own karmic situation. He is burning up the load of karma by service. It is not a reward, but an energetic balance. Every act of true, altruistic service, serving the Plan and the world, is at the same time re-creating a karmic situation for the better." (Benjamin Creme, Maitreya's Mission Volume Two)


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I cannot presume to speak for God, but I can affirm that human beings are subject to spiritual laws, like the Law of Karma.  A possible reason why your uncle's murderer continued to live on without apparently suffering in turn, is that in a previous incarnation for both men, your uncle murdered that very same man when they crossed paths.  So you see, we not only generate karma in our present life, we also have karma from previous lives. 

As to whether or not those two will go on killing each other in future lives is beyond our jurisdiction, and should not be our concern.  If they are long-standing karmic enemies, the cycle of hate and retribution will not end until at least one aggrieved individual in the cyclic drama learns to forgive the other.

When we undergo suffering in the form of diseases, we are actually paying off bad karma.  His suffering in this case, was not in vain.


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"..The reason we suffer, fundamentally, is because we think we are separate. Because we believe and experience ourselves as separate from God. If we could, from moment to moment, as the Masters of Wisdom do, as the highest initiates do, experience our selves as one with all that exists, One, and identical, we would realize that we and God are One. We would no longer suffer.

"If God is immanent in all of creation, He is physically in us. What is physical is a part of God at a certain level. What we call the physical world is God, manifesting at a certain level, at this level of consciousness. God at the soul level of consciousness is manifesting in a much more perfect way and if we had perfect soul consciousness, if we had perfect God consciousness, we would realize that we and God are One. There is no separation. But because we identify with the personality, and with this body with its suffering and its hopes and fears and its ambitions and so on, because we identify with that, we suffer; because that is the level that we reduce God to, through identification. It is a part of God – because there isn’t anything outside God.

"But the part cannot see the Whole in its entirety. If we can bring that part – that physical-plane personality – into soul infusion, we become initiate, we become aware of God and manifest that God in Its true state.

"This is the perfectioning process of evolution, in which we are all engaged, the process which the Masters of Wisdom have finished. They have arrived at that point; They are totally at one with God. They know God from moment to moment because That is what They identify with. They do not suffer. What I am suggesting to you tonight, is that They are an example for us, so that we, too, shall come to the same point. We are only suffering now because we are identifying with the lower aspect of ourselves, rather than with the higher aspect. But this is an evolutionary process. We cannot do it all at once. This is why reincarnation, the Doctrine of Rebirth, is a fact; why from life to life we need to undergo experience, to gradually become soul-infused and perfected."
(Benjamin Creme, The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom)


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"Death — “I come at the eleventh hour to save My sparks of life. The sparks of life are each and every individual Self. If someone is in trouble and he is My disciple, I come to console and guide him.”*

“Death is also the eleventh hour. Does it hurt you when you change your clothes? When you leave your body, it will not hurt you. You may panic. This is your eleventh hour. At this moment, everything stands still. I am with you, and with everyone, at their eleventh hour. I help the one who is slain and the one who slays, I give experiences to both. When Jesus was on the cross, I was by the side of both crucified and crucifier at the eleventh hour. When Jesus saw this He said: ‘Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.’” Maitreya says: “In victory and in defeat, I am with you.” When the moment of death comes, the person experiences a sort of loneliness, as if things are moving away from him. “At that moment, I am also helping the person to become detached.”

[*“My disciple” is one who applies the teaching.]"
(Benjamin Creme, Maitreya's Teachings the Laws of Life)


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I hope this clarifies matters for you.  Blessings to you, my brother.


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( Maitreya, from Message No. 15, Share International )
NOTE: My own views and opinions may not correspond to Share Int'l. "You are your own guru."


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Re: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's *DELETED* [Re: crkhd]
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Re 3: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: Lakefingers]
    #21172402 - 01/24/15 08:01 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Pride makes people think their own minds are the most perfect thing.  Men can be so arrogant as to think God can be reduced to human thoughts and words. 

Based on your response, I realize you didn't really take the time to contemplate my post.  You took things out of context, selectively picked out things you personally did not like, and focused mainly on defending your own views. 

You are not interested in learning about higher possibilities.  You really just want to argue and prove your own views are 'water tight', mainly so you can justify holding onto your fear and self-pity. 

If you keep telling yourself God has something against you, and wants to destroy you, you may very well bring about a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Your thoughts, sooner or later, will rebound back onto you.  This is thought karma. 


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Maybe I don't know.  You are not asked to believe this information unless from your own experience their truth resounds in you. 

You must find your own truth.  I am not your guru, and I am not here to lead you, or tell you what to believe.  Blaming others for your own grief and suffering is one of the most foolish, selfish and irresponsible things you can do.  If you do not learn to take responsibility for your intentions, thoughts, and actions; expect to keep on suffering without end. 

You may try to argue with me, but you will get nowhere arguing with God.  Man is nothing without God.  When this world period comes to a close, you will have only yourself to blame if you do not change. 

Know this brother: suffering is meant to purify the ego or lower self.  In the Age of Aquarius, the higher self or soul will come into its own, and the lower self or ego will be discarded.  You do not have to range yourself against Divine Law.  The question is: Are you willing to change, brother?  If you stand for justice, brotherhood, and sharing, what do you have to fear?  If you stand for hate and separation, you will not be saved. 

It doesn't get more simple than this.  The choice is yours. 


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The resources are in the signature below.  The answers are right in front of you, and yet, you cannot see them!

If my posts cannot help you, maybe someone else will, when you have managed to let go of some of your conditioning and attachments.

Blessings to you, my brother.


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Re: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #21173431 - 01/25/15 01:34 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

opt out has always been my core thing, or not even opt out really, before that, its hard to put. i don't pick this way, i don't pick that way, i don't pick neutral. in a way, i wouldnt reject god, i wouldnt accept god, i wouldnt reject satan, i wouldnt accept satan, just in all things. you can take part in things, the system or 'matrix', but that doesn't mean you have to -be- it or identify with it, view it like a rollercoaster ride or a movie, detachment is the key thing. you can put on the masks and play the parts and all that and you're fine as long as it's recognised as that. my advice / what's worked best for me is to just not be or actually believe anything, but don't identify as the one who 'doesnt believe or be anything', cause then you're still being and believing something. gotta clear it all out. but also you still gotta use those words and others at times to communicate, just recognise them as false, illusions and magic tricks for the show we're all putting on

the terrible stuff was always there, its not necessarily the corporations or the government or media or anyone else. there's an awareness of it now but not yet an awareness of the true 'problem', which is all of us. the 'evils' of those entitites/groups/etc isn't just what's exposed, although that's currently only what is seen by most. people -want- (as opposed to need) all the current comforts almost like an addiction. when people use their money to buy all these comforts, everything from more than basic sorts of clothes to all sorts of gadgets and everything in between, and want it cheaper and better, the bad things the corporations/governments/banks/etc do are necessary to make that happen. this is why most protests about such things are a joke anyway, half the people at them are dressed up in outfits made by kids with bloody hands in sweatshops, theyre literally protesting against themselves, not to mention the damages done and terrible waste just to get them the food they prefer or the toys they need to distract them from their emptiness.

another thing also though on identifying, it's limiting, and it's maybe very disrespectful towards the having of a human existence to identify with anything, much wasted potential. many people, myself included a lot of the time, who they are (as in what they identify with, not what they really are) could be fully captured in a book, just some text, which means they basically are a book, just its a book that takes up a lot of resources, fouls up the environment and can attack others. someone who attaches to objects all the way to the point of being a hoarder? they're a squirrel, and doing so is also very disrespectful to a squirrel, they're limited to their ways, theyd likely prefer to have more about themselves, and then here's a squirrel commandeering a human body for still squirrely needs and urges, and with the matter that makes up a person you could prolly have enough to make 20 squirrels. sex-centered people, fruit flies or rabbits. clothing and appearances, a butterfly or peacock (those are beautiful things but besides the point), food, a cow or a pig, and so on. it's the same as how we have the internet, so much potential and knowledge and possibility, but the majority of it ends up being nonsense or porn. imo, you're just you, nothing more, and thats the best and most fortunate thing to be if it's recognised.

i think in a few decades from now things will be just the same as they are, and have been always, maybe just different masks/characters, just much louder because there'll be many more voices (assuming there's no massive catastrophe between now and then),  just like now is much 'louder' than the same amount of time in the past, just more people, but theyre all still saying the same things and singing the same songs, what it's all centered around is still the same.

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    #21177726 - 01/26/15 04:38 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Re 4: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: Lakefingers]
    #21184703 - 01/27/15 01:47 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

My approach with you could be better.  Anyways, I hope you the best.

Thank you for your feedback.


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Re: Re 3: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: ShareDiamond]
    #21185294 - 01/27/15 08:22 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

BULLSHIT ALERT!

You are not interested in learning about higher possibilities.  You really just want to argue and prove your own views are 'water tight', mainly so you can justify holding onto your fear and self-pity. 


Look at the pot calling the kettle black.  You don't know any of that to be true. You are doing the same thing you complain about others.

Your post is BS.


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Re: Re 3: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #21185563 - 01/27/15 09:33 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

i don't think he's being so bad, he says himself things like higher -possibilities- (not certainties) and 'you are not asked to believe', and then posting his beliefs. it's like it was expected for him to go 'oh no, bad things happen, god must not be real' :confused: i think in any possible universe involving the appearances of selves and separations and such, 'bad' things are gonna happen to people of all sorts, there's so many different storylines entangled. also there's a huge assumption that a 'god' is gonna care to, that there's not possibly a bigger picture. 'that sounds mean' doesnt really mean anything, it's a spirituality forum, half the people atleast believe in oneness and such from what i've gathered, half the things said from that standpoint will come off as harsh to someone who doesn't view things that way, just how it is. whats used on him is just another side of the sarcastic 'so god made this whole big massive universe just to have one planet to stick you all on?' argument you might use against a fundy christian, just turned into 'if god is real, why isn't it that i'm not exceedingly special and nothing bad ever happens to anyone on this planet?'

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Re 5: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: Icelander]
    #21188450 - 01/27/15 07:50 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Saving human beings is one of the most difficult things to do.

I have said before that time is a factor, necessitating my seemingly harsh way of presenting this information.  There is no time left to present it in a leisurely or casual way. 

If you are too blunt with people, they stonewall you.  If you are too gentle with them, they go complacent.  The problem is, the world is changing, and all of you need to wake up before it is too late!

I understand if some people here are rather wary or skeptical towards people who come making bold and sweeping claims.  All it takes is for one doubting person to slander or dismiss your case, and a whole herd ends up lining up behind him.  Alas, this cannot be helped. 

I am presenting this information in the best way I can, considering the circumstances of our times.  I do not claim to be all-knowing, and if there are flaws or inconsistencies in my own explanations, it is because I must communicate with you as an imperfect human. 

However, I would say that it would be a mistake for you to outright dismiss this information based on my own personal defects or questioned credibility.  If anything, you should reserve your judgment until you have familiarized yourself with the actual source of my information at Share International. 

I did anticipate that the more I posted on this forum, that my own personal defects and blindspots would start to affect or interfere with the purity of the original information.  I decided to continue anyways in the hopes of getting this information across to more people. 


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"My Plan is to place before you these two alternatives, to outline the possibilities and the pitfalls. The choice is yours; you, from your own divinely given freewill, must decide." (Maitreya, from Message No.16)


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Re: Re 5: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: ShareDiamond]
    #21190622 - 01/28/15 10:01 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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However, I would say that it would be a mistake for you to outright dismiss this information based on my own personal defects or questioned credibility.  If anything, you should reserve your judgment until you have familiarized yourself with the actual source of my information at Share International. 

I did anticipate that the more I posted on this forum, that my own personal defects and blindspots would start to affect or interfere with the purity of the original information.  I decided to continue anyways in the hopes of getting this information across to more people.




I never dismissed anything but your OP.  I'm not a kid, I'm pretty much up on the spiritual scene for the last 40 years or so.  So far I'm not very impressed but I attempt to keep an open mind.

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I am presenting this information in the best way I can, considering the circumstances of our times.  I do not claim to be all-knowing, and if there are flaws or inconsistencies in my own explanations, it is because I must communicate with you as an imperfect human.




Well it's a little disconcerting to know you are selling something you aren't sure of yourself.  I mean being imperfect how would you know if you weren't getting this all wrong?  There really is no way you can know imo.


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Re 6: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: Icelander]
    #21192496 - 01/28/15 04:41 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

If I indulge your ego, it will only make you more self-satisfied and complacent. 

The reason I am willing to attack people's egos is because it is their main obstacle to discovering their true Selves. 

Your ego is like that manipulative man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz who says, "The great Oz has spoken! Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

You think your ego is your 'best friend', but your ego will only end up destroying you.  Anything that roots out and exposes the ego for what it really is, a harmful, pernicious illusion; gives you a chance to detach yourself from it. 

If you are not sure what I am talking about, watch the movie Revolver (2005, UK version) with Jason Statham and Ray Liotta.  On the surface it is your typical action-drama, but if you watch it from a different angle, it brilliantly portrays a spiritual battle between the soul (higher self) and the personality (ego or lower mind).  A man who squanders most of his life being egocentric and vindictive, starts to question everything when he is confronted with death.  He makes the decision to change, and thus unfolds his remarkable, self-initiated transformation from a selfish to selfless person. 


As you watch the movie, keep these following thoughts in mind:

"The cause of misery is not in the life without.  It is within you as the ego." (Sri Ramana Maharshi)

"Whether you are actively working in the world or have withdrawn from it, the most important consideration is not the work that you do or not do, but how effectively you have been able to uproot and destroy the deep-seated tendencies which lie hidden in your heart." (Sri Sathya Sai Baba)

"If one wants to abide in the thought-free state, a struggle is inevitable. One must fight one’s way through before regaining one’s original primal state.  If one succeeds in the fight and reaches the goal, the enemy, namely the thoughts, will all subside in the Self and disappear entirely. The thoughts are the enemy. They amount to the creation of the Universe. In their absence there is neither the world nor God the Creator. The Bliss of the Self is the single Being only." (Sri Ramana Maharshi)


. . .

It wouldn't do for me to hand you the truth on a 'silver platter'.  That would be cheating you of your own growth, and process of becoming.  I would also infringe your free will if I were to convince you solely on the basis of authority, which is external.  What matters is what you experience within to be true. 

I have mentioned before that the search for certainty is not the same as the search for truth.  The truth is impersonal, and usually hurts the ego bitterly.  And why is this so?  It is because the ego is not real, and will do everything 'it' can to prevent you from discovering 'its' existence.  Truth has the power to dispel illusions. 


. . .

The interesting thing is, the information at Share International will only appeal to people who are at least starting to be concerned for the welfare of humanity and the planet.  People who still care primarily about themselves will not be interested in it, and they will go on doing what they always do, chase after foolish and impermanent things. 

New Agers tend to think if someone comes to you with an agenda, they must automatically be considered untrustworthy.  It is for you to decide if I am trying to sell you something, or if I am sincerely trying to help you. 

Blessings to you, my brother.


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Re: Re 6: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: ShareDiamond]
    #21192798 - 01/28/15 05:38 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I've decided you're insincerely trying to help yourself. :wink:


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Re 7: The 40's and 50's created the 60' and 70's [Re: Icelander]
    #21192873 - 01/28/15 05:51 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

You make a good point.  I also get something out of this. :smile:


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