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OfflineShroomPuncher
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Fuckin' Probation
    #21162896 - 01/22/15 12:34 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

So I'm on probation for some extremely petty shit and my PO seems to want to make my life hell. Basically tells me if I'm not at my home when she RANDOMLY stops by all the time, I could end up with an ankle bracelet. Found out today I can't even drink alcohol even though I'm of legal age. Also, they give you these degrading forms to 'better' yourself that looks more suited for a 3rd graders homework assignment. Legit called a 'friend chart'. Then community service and possible drug classes if I don't answer the drug assessment to their liking in the next week. And I am required to work 20 hours a week, show proof of work, and show tax information even though I have a felony.


Anyways, hada vent there for a second. Fuck all that shit. Could've been a lot easier if I had a different PO. The reason I actually posted this is since I can't drink or smoke weed anymore, what else is legal that's fun to mess with? Like more of a recreational or social high? I'ma get more into Kratom more likely since I gotta work on not smoking cigs but does anyone have any natural entheogenics to recommend?


And one more question. Is there any way to detect Psilocybin / Psilocin and LSD on ANY sort of drug test? Most of what I read says there isn't much they can do about trying to find those substances in your system but I wanna be 100% sure.


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Re: Fuckin' Probation [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #21162925 - 01/22/15 12:39 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

lsd and shrooms only show up on certain DTs from what i understand, not on normal ones

basically they have to think your doing those drugs to get a test that specifically tests for lsd/psilocybin


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Re: Fuckin' Probation [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #21162930 - 01/22/15 12:40 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

You can take LSD and not have to worry about drug tests, although it will be extremely annoying if your PO shows up during a trip.

What's the probation for?


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Re: Fuckin' Probation [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #21162943 - 01/22/15 12:43 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

My buddy on proby smokes like spice stuff that he buys online.  It is relatively cheap (think he paid $40/10g) and has about the same effects.  If you want I can ask him for a brand recommendation, but obviously I can't give you a source.  Should be easy to find tho.

I had like the coolest PO in the world.  He was just like "check in once in a while if you're in the area but if not that's cool too, just stay out of trouble and you'll be fine".  His office was a cluttered and messy, and he always looked hella strung-out, but super nice guy.  Unfortunately he died of a heart attack or something and they switched me to some lady who was all uptight and uncool without my knowledge, so when I went in to pay some money they said I had warrants out for a while and almost arrested me until I talked her out of it since I was just coming in to make my last payments then be done pretty much.  It really woulda sucked, but I think I got my lawyer to call her and explain the situation, which apparently is believable but when I explain it they won't even listen.

Theoretically they can test for anything, but I think tests for psilocin/psilocybin are not typical unless they have a good reason to test for it.  Pretty sure it is not on any common dipstick test.

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Re: Fuckin' Probation [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #21162968 - 01/22/15 12:49 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

It's obviously your choice, but I really wouldn't risk using while on probation. Even if they can't detect it, you can still be caught with it. Probation sucks and you have to jump through all kinds of hoops but just do what they tell you to and it'll get easier. They have the ability to make your life a living hell now, and resisting will only make things harder. I know that from experience. The stress of constantly being monitored is already going to be bad enough in a few months, no reason to make it worse by adding in the paranoia of being caught up again.

But it's your life and your choice.


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Re: Fuckin' Probation [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #21163030 - 01/22/15 01:03 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

DXM is by far my favorite legal high. I don't know it shows up on drug tests though. Have you ever tried it before?

Kratom is pleasant, it puts you in a relaxing, mellow (but totally functional) headspace. Blue lotus tea is pretty nice too.


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Re: Fuckin' Probation [Re: Alexestalex]
    #21163068 - 01/22/15 01:14 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Everything I'm reading says if they were to test for acid (not sure about mushrooms yet), it'd pretty much have to be within four days of taking it but it'd still be a bad trip to have the PO walk up on. I think I'm definitely gonna give it more time and see how the PO acts, how often they come by and if they test me when they do, etc. Seems like its extremely uncommon to test for psychoactive but def gonna play it safe if at all.


I think the biggest thing is looking for something else to mess around with that's natural. I never really liked that spice stuff. Too hectic.


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DXM is by far my favorite legal high. I don't know it shows up on drug tests though. Have you ever tried it before?

Kratom is pleasant, it puts you in a relaxing, mellow (but totally functional) headspace. Blue lotus tea is pretty nice too.





I actually do enjoy DXM. The past few trips have been a little unpleasant though but it'd be fun to try again once i know about how it tests. I'll definitely have to checkout the blue lotus tea.


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Re: Fuckin' Probation [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #21163249 - 01/22/15 02:02 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

blue lotus tea is pretty enjoyable.

if you make it, just put a shit load of sugar and honey in it to mask the taste. it's not a horrible taste, just a little bitter.


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Re: Fuckin' Probation [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #21163277 - 01/22/15 02:13 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I'm definitely gonna check it out. Also wanna try Amanitas soon.


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Re: Fuckin' Probation [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #21163383 - 01/22/15 02:45 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Your predicament is one that I've had, many years ago... First off:
1) How long is your probation?

2) Are you in a big city or small town?

3)Why are you there?

The reason I ask is...first thing...If I'm only on probation for 6 months or so...I would jump through whatever hoops they ask me to. But, if it is a longer probation of a year or two and I'm in a city with overcrowded courts and jails...I wouldn't hesitate to drink alcohol (when I was still drinking)...it is out of your system by the next day.If you're in a small town, that is a different matter. I live in a city and the PO told me the same about visiting but she never came to the house once in all the years I was on probation. I just didn't drink a day or so before my scheduled report time. I wouldn't smoke any weed because it stays in your system so long.

Lastly, if your charge is a small thing, and it's your first offense, your PO will probably be very easy on you.

They always come across as a hard ass on the first visit...most ease up after a few clean visits.


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Re: Fuckin' Probation [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21163408 - 01/22/15 02:53 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Psychedelic's, Kratom, or any prescription drug that is prescribed to you. In my state you can even smoke weed on probation with a medical card. You could be prescribed xanax, oxy, adderall, and weed. Every line on the piss cup is positive but it's all for medical conditions. That'd really piss off your PO :lol:

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Re: Fuckin' Probation [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #21163532 - 01/22/15 03:22 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I live in a pretty small area where all they do is keep tabs on us. The charge isn't drug related. Pretty much petty theft bs. I seriously doubt they'll ever test for any psychedelics. Just gotta feel it out. Not ready to risk it for alcohol. Generally as probation goes on and you comply it gets easier to I'm hopin' for that.


As for the pills, I just don't mess with all that. I'd prefer for it to be natural :shrug:


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Re: Fuckin' Probation [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #21165561 - 01/22/15 11:38 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Ah probation, what a horrible way to live life! I did three years formal felony probation for possession with intent to distribute cannabis/hashish and learnt a thing or two about drug testing.

No probation test will be for hallucinogens or unusual drugs without very strong cause to believe you are on them. However, if they do a GC-MS test and they know their metabolites, then you are screwed. Any chemist worth his weight could find something irregular on an extended test. They sometimes test specific gravity too if your sample appears watered down (lighter color) from drinking excessive amounts of water right before the test.

Where i live there are very bad crime problems so they only test one forth of the submitted samples and i was never randomly tested with the exception of my drug counseling classes once a month. It was not supervised at the classes and i simply used synthetic urine with a temperature strip and heat pack several times successfully. For the probation tests i would smoke immediately after the test on friday and stop smoking saturday in order to clean up before the next test on friday. Just to be safe i would then empty my bladder an hour or two before the test and then drink as much water as quickly as possible to water down any possible trace amounts of metabolites. To counter-act the discoloration from diluting i would take 2-4 niacin pills as i started drinking the water. This worked every time but my samples only had a 25% chance of being tested so i cant say 100% that i never came up dirty. DO NOT MESS AROUND WITH DRUG TESTING UNLESS YOU ARE READY TO HANDLE THE CONSEQUENCES OF FAILURE!!!

Do not drink alcohol, ever. I cant tell you how many people i saw violated from thinking drinking was ok because they were 21+

As far as natural psychoactives that should be safe to take under normal probation conditions:

•rivea corymbosa seeds, hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, morning glory seeds.
•amanita muscaria mushrooms
•kava kava root (very bad taste)
•kratom
•kanna
•ayahuasca
•trichocereus cacti
•psilocybe mushrooms
•blue lotus
•wild lettuce (lactuna ssp.)
•wild dagga
•bufotenine (yopo, bufo alavarius venom)
•tobacco
•FRESH siberian motherwort (a.k.a. little marijuana)

Compounds that might cause a false positive (avoid):

•booze/mouthwash
•spice
•poppy seeds
•mormon tea, ephedra, suda-fed
•research chemicals
•MDMA, MDA, MDE
•ketamine
•GBL, GHB
•PCP
•Presciption pills (unless prescribed to you, still expect problems and to be violated then reinstated)
•etc. etc. (Check anything you take beforehand to make sure it wont cause a false positive)

Good luck on your journey through probation, by the end you will be wiser, stronger, and probably suffering from PTSD. (not a joke)


PM me if you ever need to talk about probation and ill try to help however i can :grin:


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    #21165669 - 01/23/15 12:20 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I wouldn't hesitate to drink alcohol (when I was still drinking)...it is out of your system by the next day.





this is 10000% false....the metabolites for alcohol are detectable for up to ~80 hours depending on how much you drink in how short of a period of time and what you do to flush your system afterwards


for some reason colorado recognizes an MMJ card as a recommendation and not a prescription so they dont let you smoke on probation even with a medical card....so i said FUCK EM

i went to a local doc that gives out scripts for marinol (FDA approved in all 50 states - chemist made - delta9THC) and got a real prescription that i go to walgreens to pick up....funniest part about it is they cant fucking tell the difference in my piss between their own government synthetic delta9THC and weeds THC, so i dont even take my marinol and just keep smoking weed :lol: they havent figured out the metabolites for the other cannabanoids i guess :shrug:


i also go into each one of my piss tests EXTREMELY high on etizolam so that i can actually piss with someone watching - i (knock on wood) have yet to test positive for anything other than THC - and they stopped testing me for THC after i got my marinol rx :lol:


my PO was actually talking about lowering my UAs to none after this month as long as i dont fuck anything up :awethumb: only 7 more months anyways

(mine was for DWAI here in CO)


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