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Pastywhyte
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: TheGuru]
#21160314 - 01/21/15 11:20 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah? You have tested it with isolates and in different environments? You have cased tubs in alaska and can say there is no difference when casing a tub in Florida? 6 strains too? Wow, I admire your dedication
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21160374 - 01/21/15 11:47 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: It is but you don't spawn it as much as apply it. There are also a few different ways to achieve it like I said and which works best will be dependent on your cultures tendencies as well as the materials being used.
I wasn't exactly saying to "spawn a top layer". What I should have said was, "Isn't casing while spawning referred to as a "top layer"?
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ok top layer is a better name. and yes pasty they where all isolates from agar plates transferred 4 times. location doesnt matter. the environment is a controlled indoor across the board. outdoor grows r not a controlled experiment
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: TheGuru]
#21160699 - 01/22/15 01:02 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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n pasty if u can get an outdoor cube grow to fruit in alaska without modifying its environment u need to call a physicist because u have found a parallel universe
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Pastywhyte
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: TheGuru]
#21161216 - 01/22/15 06:10 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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TheGuru said: ok top layer is a better name. and yes pasty they where all isolates from agar plates transferred 4 times. location doesnt matter. the environment is a controlled indoor across the board. outdoor grows r not a controlled experiment
Spoken with the assurance of someone who has never needed to grow in a climate where the furnace runs 24/7 and indoor RH never gets higher than 10%. But i'll leave that fir now and point out that a casing is also beneficial in providing a low nutrient point to pin from. There have been several good demonstrations of this over the years. I also find casing allows for a lot more FAE which results in better pinsets and healthier fruits.
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TheGuru said: n pasty if u can get an outdoor cube grow to fruit in alaska without modifying its environment u need to call a physicist because u have found a parallel universe
Didn't realize we were discussing outdoor grows here. Maybe I missed something 
No matter, I have still seen lots of outdoor grows on the boards that needed casing due to climate.
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21161275 - 01/22/15 06:53 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: But i'll leave that fir now and point out that a casing is also beneficial in providing a low nutrient point to pin from. There have been several good demonstrations of this over the years. I also find casing allows for a lot more FAE which results in better pinsets and healthier fruits.
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: Sksoul]
#21161353 - 01/22/15 07:27 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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again u are saying that your indoor grows are out in the open with no controlled environment. your arguing something that makes no sense. we make tubs n fruiting chambers to negate the open air environment so it makes no dif what the room temp or humidity is since when growing u create a climate not modify the entire house. case all u want i myself in real life ,not a post online, have experienced no benefit with a casing but a def benefit from a top layer.
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: TheGuru]
#21161426 - 01/22/15 08:03 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am pretty sure the dry FAE will be different than a room with humid FAE. (dry out faster) P.S Ive never done a mono. Just chiming in.
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: TheGuru]
#21161457 - 01/22/15 08:12 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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You obviously have no understanding of how a fruiting chamber works. If the air being brought in is very dry, it will drop RH quite quick, it will also dry the sub out fast around the mono holes. Some people in dry climates run humidifiers, others need to dial in for less FAE. I like to case as I want max FAE and I don't feel like fucking around with humidifiers, at least not until I run a GH. I also find that I can't run a SGFC the same as many other people do. I need to mist much more, have more perlite and I never fan. I also need to re moisten the perlite every 4 days instead of once a month. Try running your dehydrator in the area you fruit in and you can see first hand the effects for yourself. Stop assuming everyone grows in the same environment you do.
Regardless there is still the matter of pinning from low nutrient points to observe. IMO that alone is a decent reason to at least consider a casing 
Edit: to clarify in case my point is not clear, a fruiting chambers function is dependent to some extent on the environment around it. There is a reason people don't run fans with a SGFC. There is a reason some people run a fan with their monos and some people don't. Your homes RH will greatly effect how a given fruiting chamber performs. That's why we dial things in.
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21161494 - 01/22/15 08:27 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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So if I have a peat casing I apply it right at spawning?
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: taGyo]
#21161529 - 01/22/15 08:38 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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taGyo said: So if I have a peat casing I apply it right at spawning?
I think that poster meant to buffer the grains from open air, by adding extra substrate to the top after mixing.
Using a peat casing should be done at 100% colonization. Wait for the casing to get slightly colonized itself and then fruit. Coir casing can be fruited right away (but still applied at 100% colonization.
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: Sksoul]
#21161541 - 01/22/15 08:41 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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A lot of people get "substrate", "casing", and "covering" mixed up and confused because the words have been thrown around incorrectly for some years.
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: taGyo]
#21161592 - 01/22/15 08:54 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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taGyo said: So if I have a peat casing I apply it right at spawning?
I think this is sarcasm...not sure. But, seriously people are confusing "top layer" with "casing" and I don't know how. 2 totally different things done at 2 different times. Top layer is just a thin layer of leftover sub at spawning time. Casing is done after 100% colonization with either jiffy/cvg/etc... It's not that hard?
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I would case it. If this is the frst time u have opened it. U wnt have any issues. Throw 3/8 of an in on there and enjoy the magic of casing pinsets. But what he says about tin foil is true ive had a few eat thru myself. Only when its on the bottom though.
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wowimflabbergasted said:
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taGyo said: So if I have a peat casing I apply it right at spawning?
I think this is sarcasm...not sure. But, seriously people are confusing "top layer" with "casing" and I don't know how. 2 totally different things done at 2 different times. Top layer is just a thin layer of leftover sub at spawning time. Casing is done after 100% colonization with either jiffy/cvg/etc... It's not that hard? 
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: taGyo]
#21163614 - 01/22/15 03:43 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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taGyo said: So if I have a peat casing I apply it right at spawning?
Depends on your spawn ratio and casing thickness. I've cased at spawning with great results.
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: Psilicon]
#21165366 - 01/22/15 10:31 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well I don't mean to interrupt, but as OP thought I'd upload some pictures and give an update. Uncovered the thing and it looks awesome. No contams, smells just right, unh. I mixed up the casing (70/30 verm/coir + gypsum + cc), pasteurized it for an hour at 155C, and put the casing on.
Two concerns: 1. Prior to putting the casing on I saw puddles of water on the mycelium (clearly visible in several pictures). I wicked those away via a paper towel and capillary action (didn't dap at the puddles). Where did the water come from? And did I do the right thing in removing it?
2. The casing layer felt and acted a lot more "clumpy," like dirt rather than wet verm. I'm thinking the cc caused this? Is this a bad sign? I did my best to put the casing layer on in an aerated, fluffy fashion. In either case, what's done is done this time around, just wanting to learn.
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: DifferentialQ]
#21165390 - 01/22/15 10:38 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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The water is most likely condensation generated by the heat of the colonizing substrate. Normal and nothing to worry about. I don't even wipe it up if I am gonna case, just let the casing absorb it.
As for the consistency, sounds about right. Actually if you think coir was dirt like, wait till ya try peat Coir is actually my favorite casing material, tho I think I am going to go back to peat and sand for a bit. Its good to switch things up regularly 
OP your sub looks great, keep us posted
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Re: First time doing bulk - is this ready to case? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21167012 - 01/23/15 11:13 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree no need to sop up puddles I get them regularly and just case over it the medium just absorbs it. As for clumps. I use a 50/50+ I strain the peat as much as possible from sticks clumps and hard matter. However if the moisture content is above optimum it tends to clump after pcing. More often than not I mix my casing on the slightly dryer side to avoid this.adding more moisture is easy. Taking it out proves more difficult
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Pastywhyte
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You PC peat? I hope you lime it then. Sterilized peat is sketchy IMO.
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