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Offlinepsyconaught
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Thoughts on the film "American Sniper"
    #21158065 - 01/21/15 03:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I thought it was an absolutely fantastic movie! Great acting, cinematography, and direction, as well some very intense action sequences.

But for the life of me I cannot understand why people keep calling it a pro war movie. If anything thinks that it was can you please chime in? Or just in general what were your thoughts?


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: psyconaught]
    #21158449 - 01/21/15 05:01 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I liked it , I don't think it was a pro war movie either .  It seemed to try and honor this mans military service and make light of the fact going to war has severe consequences for the winners too . 
  What got me about this whole story is the thing with Jesse Ventura . He sued Chris Kyle for making up some bullshit about layin him out in a bar for saying some anti american shit . Venture kept suing him after he was dead and got paid .
    If its true he punched Ventura for saying some stupid shit then good for him . But if he just made it all up to sell his book I have to question Kyles integrity and the whole story in general . Who confirms the kills ?
    It was a cool movie but Brad Pitts tank movie was way better.

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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: psilynut]
    #21158688 - 01/21/15 05:47 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Or just in general what were your thoughts?




Eastwood surprises me a bit with this movie given that he stated years ago he wanted to distance himself from being associated with gun violence in his movies. He even made 'Pale Rider' where the hero purposely avoids guns, using other weapons instead when necessary. In 'Gran Torino' he portrays a man who prefers to avoid guns as well.

He seems to be further tapping into the Republican fan base he built for himself recently with his famous and bizarre empty chair speech. So it could be seen as a savvy business move. There is a huge built-in audience among Republicans eager to see even the fabricated glorification of Faith and/or military "heroes".  This often doesn't pan out. See: Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch.

Kyle comes across as a real braggart from what I've read of him. Killing others may be necessary at times ( not in the case of the Iraq war of choice however) but it's nothing to be proud of, brag about or celebrate. The man who shot and killed him at the gun range probably was unhinged from his tour in Iraq and grew tired of his ceaseless bragging. They that live by the sword, die by the sword.

Ventura stands to get paid yet again as the idiotic producers played into his hands by recently calling the purported attack on Ventura "priceless" when it came to promoting the movie after he already legally established that the attack didn't occur! As soon as that word fell from their lips, the cash register in Ventura's eyes must have started racing. Priceless indeed. He's set for life now.  :lol:

Kyle also claimed that he killed two carjackers at a gas station near Dallas and sat atop the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina and shot dozens of looters. There is no record of either of these highly dubious stories being true.

Of course, none of this will deter faith-based Republicans from flocking to see this movie. Like most Americans, they are completely unphased by the endless lies used to justify wars of Empire ilke Iraq and the emerging police state. In fact, any controversy will only make the numbers of moviegoers increase for this film. smh


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: psilynut]
    #21159204 - 01/21/15 06:59 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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What got me about this whole story is the thing with Jesse Ventura . He sued Chris Kyle for making up some bullshit about layin him out in a bar for saying some anti american shit . Venture kept suing him after he was dead and got paid .
    If its true he punched Ventura for saying some stupid shit then good for him . But if he just made it all up to sell his book I have to question Kyles integrity and the whole story in general . Who confirms the kills ?



The suit was a defamation case, basically suing for damages because he claimed it was a lie. Though him getting punched wasn't necessarily a lie from what i understand, Kyle claimed Ventura stated "the SEALS deserved to lose a few", and that was where the defamation came in.

As far as the kill count they are confirmed by witnesses and the post engagement reports everyone is required to fill out. So the 160 number is absolutely accurate and confirmed by multiple people seeing the bodies and witnessing the shots. His "unofficial" number is closer to 250.


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: zorbman] * 2
    #21159218 - 01/21/15 07:00 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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zorbman said:
Eastwood surprises me a bit with this movie given that he stated years ago he wanted to distance himself from being associated with gun violence in his movies. He even made 'Pale Rider' where the hero purposely avoids guns, using other weapons instead when necessary. In 'Gran Torino' he portrays a man who prefers to avoid guns as well.

He seems to be further tapping into the Republican fan base he built for himself recently with his famous and bizarre empty chair speech. So it could be seen as a savvy business move. There is a huge built-in audience among Republicans eager to see even the fabricated glorification of Faith and/or military "heroes".  This often doesn't pan out. See: Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch.

Kyle comes across as a real braggart from what I've read of him. Killing others may be necessary at times ( not in the case of the Iraq war of choice however) but it's nothing to be proud of, brag about or celebrate. The man who shot and killed him at the gun range probably was unhinged from his tour in Iraq and grew tired of his ceaseless bragging. They that live by the sword, die by the sword.

Ventura stands to get paid yet again as the idiotic producers played into his hands by recently calling the purported attack on Ventura "priceless" when it came to promoting the movie after he already legally established that the attack didn't occur! As soon as that word fell from their lips, the cash register in Ventura's eyes must have started racing. Priceless indeed. He's set for life now.  :lol:

Kyle also claimed that he killed two carjackers at a gas station near Dallas and sat atop the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina and shot dozens of looters. There is no record of either of these highly dubious stories being true.

Of course, none of this will deter faith-based Republicans from flocking to see this movie. Like most Americans, they are completely unphased by the endless lies used to justify wars of Empire ilke Iraq and the emerging police state. In fact, any controversy will only make the numbers of moviegoers increase for this film. smh



this post is exactly what i was referring to. Almost none of this has to do with the movie, you're just using it as a segway to bitch about republicans.


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: psyconaught]
    #21159466 - 01/21/15 07:28 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Or just in general what were your thoughts?




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this post is exactly what i was referring to. Almost none of this has to do with the movie, you're just using it as a segway to bitch about republicans.




Forgive me for thinking this was the Politics forum. :shrug:

And your first reply contained a quote that was not from me.


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: zorbman]
    #21162065 - 01/22/15 10:40 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I thought the movie sucked prolapsed anus.


Typical dumbed down hollywood bullshit, with the typical "I'm conflicted so my actions are validated" narrative that any war movie has.


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21162613 - 01/22/15 11:34 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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"I'm conflicted so my actions are validated"



god i really cannot understand this interpretation of the movie! (not saying its wrong necessarily, i just don't get it). I thought the movie was VERY antiwar, the screenwriter himself even said that was the point.


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21163244 - 01/22/15 02:01 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I thought the movie sucked prolapsed anus.


Typical dumbed down hollywood bullshit, with the typical "I'm conflicted so my actions are validated" narrative that any war movie has.



This is something you and I agree on completely.  Hollywood is a festering shithole of uncreative 'tard pandering wimps.  The last shitty movie I saw was Gravity.  What a bunch of stupid nonsense and I saw it in an IMAX 3D.  Effects?  Great.  Plot and storyline and character development?  Middle school.  Believability?  Kindergarten.


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21163306 - 01/22/15 02:22 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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This is something you and I agree on completely.  Hollywood is a festering shithole of uncreative 'tard pandering wimps.  The last shitty movie I saw was Gravity.  What a bunch of stupid nonsense and I saw it in an IMAX 3D.  Effects?  Great.  Plot and storyline and character development?  Middle school.  Believability?  Kindergarten.



   
    It's supposed to be entertainment .  If movies like gravity were accurate and believable they would be boring and slow , no money would be made  .  You can't criticize movie makers for not achieving a goal they had no interest in .

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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: psilynut]
    #21163320 - 01/22/15 02:26 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I disagree.  I think it is important that it be credible.  I can only take willing suspension of belief so far unless it is presented as a cartoon from the beginning.  Star Wars was sold as a cartoon.  Gravity was not.


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21163398 - 01/22/15 02:50 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I disagree.  I think it is important that it be credible.  I can only take willing suspension of belief so far unless it is presented as a cartoon from the beginning.  Star Wars was sold as a cartoon.  Gravity was not.



agreed. Gravity was terrible


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21163535 - 01/22/15 03:23 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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e.  I think it is important that it be credible.  I can only take willing suspension of belief so far unless it is presented as a cartoon from the beginning.  Star Wars was sold as a cartoon.  Gravity was not.




   
  I guess low expectations and handfuls of mushrooms allow my suspension of belief to go a little further than yours .
  It's not important if it's not their intention . Have you ever watched nasa work ? It's soo boring . Reality sucks you cannot money in a movie like that by trying to acurately reflect it . I didn't think Sniper was totally realistic but I still liked it .
  I didn't think Django unchained  was a very realistic movie about the history of slavery but I loved it anyway , it entertained me .

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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: psilynut]
    #21164220 - 01/22/15 06:22 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't see Sniper but Django was completely unbelievable.

Where is Hitchcock?


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21167042 - 01/23/15 11:25 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I really liked American Sniper for what it is...a Hollywood movie.  It was entertaining, great action, and some nice cinematography.  The scenes were intense and the movie was extremely captivating. 

As far as how it depicted the war, I believe it was disingenuous.  Too much "us good, them bad" than reality.  Which is totally fine with me...it's Hollywood.  But for people maybe looking to glean some of the deeper aspects of the dynamics in the Iraq war, or similar, from the movie, I think they're right to find it a little off and say the direction Eastwood took was pro-war.  But seriously...it was based off his fucking book which was pretty much written the same way.  I don't think the movie was intended to be an accurate portrayal of the entire conflict anyway...

Oh, and my buddy who was in Iraq didn't like the way it made American combat troops (he was a marine) look like pussies :shrug:  He made it blatantly clear, during the course of the movie, that he didn't need a SEAL to save his life in various situations.  I didn't really talk to him in depth about this, just what he huffed and puffed during parts of the movie.  He still liked it, though :thumbup:


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: Mr. Bojangles]
    #21167178 - 01/23/15 12:13 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

i think its also important to remember that the beliefs of the protagonist and the message do not have to be the same. Chris Kyle was absolutely portrayed as pro-war, but i think the message of the film was very antiwar.


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: psyconaught]
    #21168282 - 01/23/15 05:56 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Clint Eastwood's films are all anti-war, going back to his most famous anti-war movie 'The Outlaw Josey Wales'


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: psyconaught]
    #21168856 - 01/23/15 08:52 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
i think its also important to remember that the beliefs of the protagonist and the message do not have to be the same. Chris Kyle was absolutely portrayed as pro-war, but i think the message of the film was very antiwar.




It's also important to remember that the quoted opinion is expontentiallly more in depth than that of the average mouth breather who drooled on their Jeff Gordon sweatshirt while watching the movie.


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Re: Thoughts on the film "American Sniper" [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21170102 - 01/24/15 07:46 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I find the snipers of Vietnam more interesting. Google Carlos Hathcock.

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