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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21150797 - 01/20/15 03:50 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I am not quibbling.  A business does not "set" the price.  If a competitor comes in lower that is what the price gets "set" at.  Not my price, his.  I "set" nothing.  Your ignorance persists in spite of complete refutation



  Unless you have a close relationship with people your contracting for . Maybe they really like your quality and see no value in going with a cheaper company .  I've seen contractors get work just on trust alone and in that case I feel like they do truly set , the price .  Lowest bid sometimes is a poor option at best . Isn't it possible to set the price through quality and customer service?  And if so would you not be determining the price through setting a standard for everyone else to achieve?

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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: psilynut]
    #21150917 - 01/20/15 04:19 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Take your own trade and December as example.  Customers are spending their money elsewhere; therefore, the small companies within your trade drop price, which then forces the medium size companies to drop price, and in turn, the larger companies must drop price, in order to remain competitive.  There is no demand; so, the supply increases. (Supply and Demand, Economics 101).  The customer is initially setting the price.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21150932 - 01/20/15 04:21 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I am not quibbling.  A business does not "set" the price.



I said "businesses set pricing based on the supply/demand curve."  Whether or not you want to say businesses set their prices, or the supply/demand curve sets them, it's painfully obvious that I understand the concept, so you're most definitely quibbling. 

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If a competitor comes in lower that is what the price gets "set" at.  Not my price, his.  I "set" nothing.  Your ignorance persists in spite of complete refutation



And HE is a business who set the pricing, is he not?  This is a stupid discussion, because you're just quibbling.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21151076 - 01/20/15 04:54 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

No.  Zap is correct.  The small companies are not dropping price, because they desire to do so, nor do the larger companies follow suit, because they desire to do so, either.  It does not work that way.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: psilynut]
    #21151112 - 01/20/15 05:03 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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psilynut said:
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I am not quibbling.  A business does not "set" the price.  If a competitor comes in lower that is what the price gets "set" at.  Not my price, his.  I "set" nothing.  Your ignorance persists in spite of complete refutation



  Unless you have a close relationship with people your contracting for . Maybe they really like your quality and see no value in going with a cheaper company .  I've seen contractors get work just on trust alone and in that case I feel like they do truly set , the price .  Lowest bid sometimes is a poor option at best . Isn't it possible to set the price through quality and customer service?  And if so would you not be determining the price through setting a standard for everyone else to achieve?




That does happen.  I've also seen trades completely alienate reliable customers by getting greedy thinking they can "set" their price.  They can't


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21151118 - 01/20/15 05:05 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I am not quibbling.  A business does not "set" the price.



I said "businesses set pricing based on the supply/demand curve."  Whether or not you want to say businesses set their prices, or the supply/demand curve sets them, it's painfully obvious that I understand the concept, so you're most definitely quibbling. 

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zappaisgod said:
If a competitor comes in lower that is what the price gets "set" at.  Not my price, his.  I "set" nothing.  Your ignorance persists in spite of complete refutation



And HE is a business who set the pricing, is he not?  This is a stupid discussion, because you're just quibbling.



He didn't "set" anything.  And the customer could also decide not to do the project at all.  This happens.  You do not have a fucking clue.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #21151147 - 01/20/15 05:11 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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The small companies are not dropping price, because they desire to do so, nor do the larger companies follow suit, because they desire to do so, either.  It does not work that way.



That's obvious, and it's not what is being debated.  :shake:

I said companies set prices based on the supply/demand curve, while zappa argued companies don't set prices, they are set by the supply/demand curve.  He's quibbling.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21151153 - 01/20/15 05:14 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
He didn't "set" anything.  And the customer could also decide not to do the project at all.  This happens.  You do not have a fucking clue.



Then who came up with his pricing?

Obviously the customer can decide not to do the project.  Where did I say he couldn't?

Stop the quibbling and the straw man arguments.  :shake:


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (01/20/15 05:28 PM)

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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21151425 - 01/20/15 06:19 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Honestly this is the definition of quibbling. Falcon has an MBA. I'm pretty sure he understands exactly what is trying to be explained.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Webster10]
    #21151527 - 01/20/15 06:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Falcon also said he was USAF, but could not identify a B17 with full crew standing in front of it.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #21151590 - 01/20/15 06:55 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Disregarding the irrelevancy of your post to the actual facts of the situation, that's quite sad. Do you have a link to that? What falcon originally said is exactly what is trying to be explained.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Webster10]
    #21151771 - 01/20/15 07:33 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

It is relevant to credibility.  Yes, I have more than a link to it.  It is a private photograph of mine (my grandfather was the pilot), and I sent it to Falcon via private message, requesting he refrain from copying it.  I will not copy Falcon's words from private message to open forum, without his permission.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #21151802 - 01/20/15 07:35 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Shroom, the credibility of posters on this site is irrelevant to the discussion.  No one is citing him/herself as a source, and you need to back off from attacking other members' credibility.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Enlil]
    #21151959 - 01/20/15 08:01 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I am not the one having introduced Falcon's alleged credentials into the thread.  I merely responded to the post about them, based upon my own testing via private message of his alleged credentials, back in mid November.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #21151977 - 01/20/15 08:04 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I don't care.  Either learn how to debate properly or move on to another forum.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Enlil]
    #21152031 - 01/20/15 08:15 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I am not concerned if you care or not, Enlil, especially after you failed to equally apply your perspective.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #21152054 - 01/20/15 08:19 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I'm just letting you know that your style of debate will eventually get you banned.  Take my advice or don't. It's no skin off my dick either way.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Enlil]
    #21152066 - 01/20/15 08:21 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I do not care about your penis, either.  This is what I was referring to, just so that you personally understand how you failed, again, to equally apply your perspective (hopefully you never make the bench, because we have too many stinking lousy liberal judges as it is, now):

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

You chose not to respond to the "About me" thread here...If your story is true, then it would be logical...I have to question your story.




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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #21153302 - 01/20/15 11:50 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Really, who even gives a fuck about whether or not Fal deleted his signature?  It's probable the least remarkable event that has occurred in this forum for several months.


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Re: Are you an American? What aspects of your country are you unhappy with? [Re: Shroom Detective]
    #21153350 - 01/21/15 12:07 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Falcon also said he was USAF, but could not identify a B17 with full crew standing in front of it.



A few things, since you keep bringing it up as 'evidence' I wasn't in the Air Force:

1.  The B-17 was no longer active when I joined the Air Force, nor was it required reading to read up on historical aircraft.
2.  Your photo was a close up, that didn't show much of the plane, similar to the one below:

It didn't show the number of engines, nor other key details of the plane other than a small piece of the wing and fuselage.  Can you identify the plane above?  Perhaps, but it's not obvious.

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Shroom Detective said:
This is what I was referring to:

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

You chose not to respond to the "About me" thread here...If your story is true, then it would be logical...I have to question your story.






I said I questioned your story.

You said "I already knew you were never USAF, as you claimed upon this message board; why anyone may possibly entertain the thought you are actually a U.S. Citizen is beyond me"
A slight difference, don't you think?


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