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Seriously_trippin
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moonrockmushy said: Why do many studies show that marijuana use in youths is on the rise while hard drug rates remain stable?
Show me those studies because the most recent studies conducted in Colorado says that the teenage pot use actually went down a bit and stayed the same in other states. In Argentina after they legalized all drug use the pot use rate went down by something like 15%. Studies in India show many user of only pot,it's a critical part of their religion, smoking it all day everyday. None of those people ever felt the need to move on to harder drugs. Amsterdam also has a much lower rate of teenage use and kids using it. It's just in places with strict controls on weed that you see increasing rates of teenage pot use.
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moonrockmushy
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A new federal report shows that the percentage of American high school students who smoke marijuana is slowly rising, while the use of alcohol and almost every other drug is falling.
The report raises concerns that the relaxation of restrictions on marijuana, which can now be sold legally in 20 states and the District of Columbia, has been influencing use of the drug among teenagers. Health officials are concerned by the steady increase and point to what they say is a growing body of evidence that adolescent brains, which are still developing, are susceptible to subtle changes caused by marijuana.
“The acceptance of medical marijuana in multiple states leads to the sense that if it’s used for medicinal purposes, then it can’t be harmful,” said Dr. Nora D. Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which issued the report. “This survey has shown very consistently that the greater the number of kids that perceive marijuana as risky, the less that smoke it.” Starting early next year, recreational marijuana use will also be legal in Colorado and Washington.
According to the latest federal figures, which were part of an annual survey, Monitoring the Future, more than 12 percent of eighth graders and 36 percent of seniors at public and private schools around the country said they had smoked marijuana in the past year. About 60 percent of high school seniors said they did not view regular marijuana use as harmful, up from about 55 percent last year.
The report looked at a wide variety of drugs and substances. It found, for example, that drinking was steadily declining, with roughly 40 percent of high school seniors reporting having used alcohol in the past month, down from a peak of 53 percent in 1997. Abuse of the prescription painkiller Vicodin is half what it was a decade ago among seniors; cocaine and heroin use are at historic lows in almost every grade.
Cigarette smoking has also fall
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More U.S. teens are now smoking marijuana than smoke cigarettes.
That's right. Among high school students, current use -- defined as use within the last 30 days -- is now higher for marijuana than for cigarettes. According to the CDC, 21.9 percent of teens reported smoking cigarettes within the last month, while 22.4 percent smoked marijuana.
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People like weed because it is less harmful and lots of people are seen to smoke weed and live normal lives. Maybe this isn't true but it is one of the less harmful drugs out there, especially when compared to alcohol or tobacco. That should be obvious I think but some people are still having a hard time admitting it because they are smallminded or think conservatism is the new counterculture, which I think is probably true and a good thing, because now the rest of us can move forward.
(edit) also not talking about the effects of legalization, just that more pot =/= more hard drug use
Edited by moonrockmushy (01/19/15 06:19 PM)
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WorstAlkaloid
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Bitter Cactus said: "One study found that youth (12 to 17 years old) who use marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine than kids who do not use pot, and that 60% of the kids who smoke pot before the age of 15 move on to cocaine."
I'm not on coke, and it was only one time! I must be that 40% cause I haven't moved to harder drugs.. Nor have my best mate, we have experimented with coke and I have never had the urge to try other drugs ( only psychedelic's )
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Bitter Cactus said: "One study found that youth (12 to 17 years old) who use marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine than kids who do not use pot, and that 60% of the kids who smoke pot before the age of 15 move on to cocaine."
So I see quotes without a reference. You realize of course that this whole argument was created along with many others as part of a propaganda campaign right? I actually Googled that quote and it started with this:
""...The vast majority of cocaine users (99.9%) began by first using a “gateway drug” like marijuana, cigarettes or alcohol....""
and that's from this ridiculous website that can't even bother to provide citations:
http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/marijuana/on-the-road-to-drug-abuses.html
By the way that ... in the quotes is called an ellipsis, and it's used to show that content has been removed from quoted material. It's used by people who wish to be honest and forthcoming about violating the context of a quotation. Even when you take that quote in context it's still from a ridiculous propaganda website. The gateway drug argument is obviously a weak fallacy.
Bitter Cactus, I'm deeply concerned about your quality of thought. Don't you know that these kind of arguments are gateway arguments to even more harmful fallacies? First you accept this garbage. Next thing you know you're claiming that all drugs are bad and you sign yourself into a 12 step program to help you manage your disease of marijuana addiction. After that you accept jesus christ as your personal savior. From there it's only a small step to convert to islam. And then you'll be volunteering for suicide bombings in France. Why do you want to kill a bunch of innocent french people? Huh? WTF?
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Ezuma
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I would argue either all drugs are gateway drugs, or none are, depending how you define it.
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Forest Sprite
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I only read the OP.. isn't he the guy who always hates on weed? Either way... I, being a lover of the cannabis, agree, in a sense. The way I see it is yes, weed is a gateway drug. But, that gateway can lead you to different places. Perhaps it was a gateway to harder drugs such as heroin, for example. (not to dis on any drug, it's all about the user really) but let's say that you're the type of person who would be attracted to the heroin high and just numb yourself and escape and feel good and fuck everything else. You go into a slippery slope.
Or.. weed could be a gateway in a good way for you, if you are a certain type of person. Perhaps you enjoy exploring your consciousness and other realms, you want to explore and learn and bring stuff back with you. You find hallucinogens. And you use them responsibly and learn about yourself and the world and nature.
In that case, weed was a good gateway to go thru. However there certainly are many variables. For example... not everyone who uses heroin or meth and stuff end up horrible addicts that kill and steal. Definitely not. And not all trippers end up more conscious and awake and understanding. But I think you guys can see what I'm trying to say.
I'm glad weed was a gateway for me.. to the realms of tryptamines, phens, and dissociatives. I love exploring my mind and other realms. That said... I've not smoked in over a month.. I was the kind who was always high. It has hindered me so I am stepping back for a while. And when I return to sweet mary jane I will respect her power more and not use her all the time.
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Ezuma
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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: Ezuma]
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I would never have tried weed without alcohol, or nicotine without alcohol, or shrooms without weed, or lsd without weed and shrooms... so sure gateway. But so far all good. No real urge to try anything hardcore A certain amount of life has to be left to caution/good judgement
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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: Ezuma] 1
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Weed is nota a gateway drug.
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Mr.GuessWork
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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: Ezuma] 1
#21145911 - 01/19/15 07:11 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: I would argue either all drugs are gateway drugs, or none are, depending how you define it. 
The whole argument is just an unimaginative variation on the slippery slope argument. It's a fallacy that has weak sauce dripping off of it. it's the kind of stuff they they teach to cops in cop school and 4th graders in DARE. The clever part was realizing that the same message would work on both audiences, though it doesn't work quite as well on 4th graders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
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Ezuma
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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: lowbrow]
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Is any drug a gateway drug? i agree the gateway drug theory is bullshit, but its just common sense that you will try softer drugs earlier, generally, before moving on. K I change my mind. I agree its not a gateway drug, but then neither is anything else... as far as I can see
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Ezuma
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You are correct. If the term was used as i imagined, it would be a useless term so yeah forget what I said
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Mr.GuessWork
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Re: Weed is a gateway drug [Re: Ezuma]
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^The argument is or was(I'd thought) commonly used to try to justify for prohibiting marijuana. People would say marijuana was harmless, then the reply would be that it was in fact dangerous because it was a gateway drug, and marijuana users would go on to become hard drug users, and hard drug is bad.
One of the many problems with it is that it's a bullshit argument for causality even if you can claim a real correlation. Several other posters made the point nicely a while back. Cocaine addicts tried pot before cocaine, but before that they tried beer, and before that they tried aspirin, and before that they tried things like food and air. If the slippery slope argument held, all of those things would cause cocaine addiction. Just because something is necessary (and it isn't in this case) does not make it sufficient.
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Bitter Cactus
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Weed is a gateway drug. The first illegal drug most people try is weed. They say "well this feels really good, I wonder what a blast of crack would feel like".
Like I said before, you try weed, you become interested in altering your consciousness in different ways, you try different drugs and from there you move on to harder drugs.
Heroin is not a gateway drug. It is the end of the road. Most people's downfall starts with weed and progresses as time goes on, but it always starts with weed unless you are hardcore.
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Bitter Cactus said: Weed is a gateway drug. The first illegal drug most people try is weed. They say "well this feels really good, I wonder what a blast of crack would feel like".
Like I said before, you try weed, you become interested in altering your consciousness in different ways, you try different drugs and from there you move on to harder drugs.
Heroin is not a gateway drug. It is the end of the road. Most people's downfall starts with weed and progresses as time goes on, but it always starts with weed unless you are hardcore.
you are a joke. i wonder what a blast of crack would feel like, this weed sure is good. seriously, youve got to be trolling.
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Bitter Cactus
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shroom_sensai said:
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Bitter Cactus said: Weed is a gateway drug. The first illegal drug most people try is weed. They say "well this feels really good, I wonder what a blast of crack would feel like".
Like I said before, you try weed, you become interested in altering your consciousness in different ways, you try different drugs and from there you move on to harder drugs.
Heroin is not a gateway drug. It is the end of the road. Most people's downfall starts with weed and progresses as time goes on, but it always starts with weed unless you are hardcore.
you are a joke. i wonder what a blast of crack would feel like, this weed sure is good. seriously, youve got to be trolling.
It doesn't happen all in one day dude..
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you just like the abuse that comes from posting threads like these
like those people who pay prostitutes to abuse them
i like abusing you though, so it's a win win
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ModestMouse
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When did your pub ban expire and when can they reinstate it?
In all seriousness, any drug can be a gateway drug. Whatever you do first, you're going to realize they're a Fuck ton of fun and new doors will open.
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shroom_sensai


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#21147378 - 01/19/15 11:26 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think its funny that his screen name is "bitter cactus" an obvious reference to mescaline, which is of course a gateway drug to meth addiction, everybody knows that.
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I think it's funny that people still get pissed off at him about this shit
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i tried dmt, salvia, and dxm before i tried marijuana. and marijuana before i tried alcohol
i think i did it all backwards
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