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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #21141727 - 01/18/15 09:56 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Dr.Dankhead said:
let the trees and the love wind take you a drift to a place where your ego lay, awakened by bequeathing idiots such as yourself.





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:shrug: when we're shroomerites communicating via the cold light of a computer screen.



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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #21142641 - 01/19/15 05:10 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

What makes the other people here "saints" is that they don't go full psycho on people that did no harm to them.

There is a huge difference between driving drunk and having an accident and purposely beating the shit out of someone who trusted you and being so "full of remorse" to fuck his wife afterwards.

It doesn't matter if the acting person experiences will in his actions, it's what he did that matters. Will is just a feeling.
The reason you did not perceive that action as willed is that it is highly inconsistent with the values of civilisation - it does not mean you're less responsible.

You did ask how you could be around people from now on without freaking out again.
If I did shit like that, I wouldn't trust myself anymore and this is why I suggested suicide.

But maybe you want to see what's next on your list. I wouldn't.

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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #21142935 - 01/19/15 08:46 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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There is a huge difference between driving drunk and having an accident and purposely beating the shit out of someone who trusted you and being so "full of remorse" to fuck his wife afterwards.






You would think quite differently if some asshole killed your child in a drunk accident. Sure. Impulsive violent acts are far more taboo and they scare us because they SEEM to be rooted in malintent, but the end result is the same. Someone gets hurt and there's no one to blame but yourself. What ultimately matters is whether or not you learned from it. There's no undoing the past and therefor no point dwelling on it aside from using it to learn.

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I wouldn't trust myself anymore and this is why I suggested suicide.






No see, you are WAY more sick in the head. You are encouraging someone who recognizes they have a problem and wants to improve themselves to kill themselves without another chance.

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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #21143214 - 01/19/15 10:02 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: JacksonMetaller] * 1
    #21143250 - 01/19/15 10:13 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

hehe, I'm not, the story just made me angry for some reason.
I actually don't think OP is sick in clinical terms, as what he did would make some sense if we were still living in the stone age. So unfortunately, he's just incapable of introspection and has a lack of inhibition, which makes him dangerous.
That remorse, acknowlegding he has a problem and his wish to change that lasted a few minutes, till he got the chance to screw that dudes wife and rub his blood all over her.
Even after that he goes on to brag about how hot it was, I'm totally convinced he's gonna be a fine member of society by tomorrow :rolleyes:

If you wish to encounter this type of person, that's up to you. I'd rather not and I'm almost sorry that I expressed this in an offending way. I should have sticked to "fuck off" or "people like you ruin this planet". The result is the same, nobody wants creeps like him around. I hope that's fairly understandable.

Well, when I was 18, some almost blind dude ran me over with his car with no glasses on. Lost a limb, spent half a year in hospital, but never had a single evil thought towards that guy. He was just careless and I told him it's okay as this was surely not his intention.
He was not punished for this.
I guess my feelings would have went other ways if he had done this on a killing spree.
Trust me, there is a difference between accidents and malice.
The term making this difference is "negligence" - there is ordinary negligence, culpable negligence and wilful negligence.
It makes sense to distinguish between that and malice, there is a reason the courts do so.

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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #21143392 - 01/19/15 10:50 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Murzelpfrumpft said:
hehe, I'm not, the story just made me angry for some reason.
I actually don't think OP is sick in clinical terms, as what he did would make some sense if we were still living in the stone age. So unfortunately, he's just incapable of introspection and has a lack of inhibition, which makes him dangerous.

If you wish to encounter this type of person, that's up to you. I'd rather not and I'm almost sorry that I expressed this in an offending way.

Well, when I was 18, some almost blind dude ran me over with his car with no glasses on. Lost a limb, spent half a year in hospital, but never had a single evil thought towards that guy. He was just careless and I told him it's okay as this was surely not his intention.
He was not punished for this.
I guess my feelings would have went other ways if he had done this on a killing spree.
Trust me, there is a difference between accidents and malice.
The term making this difference is "negligence" - there is ordinary negligence, culpable negligence and wilful negligence.
It makes sense to distinguish between that and malice, there is a reason the courts do so.




Except OP's wasn't malice. It was impulse which he now clearly regrets. It wasn't premeditated or glorified... He wrote back on this page to express how bad an idea the entire thing was and how he was scared of hurting his future wife/kids and how he attempted multiple times to help in whatever way they would let him being it turning himself in, taking the guy to the hospital, or sending them loads of chinese food.

Everything in OPs posts suggests mental illness, not malice.

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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #21143480 - 01/19/15 11:09 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't mean to say this is a case of malice, that paragraph was more of an answer to your claim that intentionality doesn't make any difference if the outcome is the same.

The definition of what's sick and what's not sick is an extraordinarily hard one.

I do think it is relatively easy to explain that impulse in biological terms and you should have a hard time to declare inter-male aggression as sick, as it is very natural and nowadays just displays a lack of inhibition.
It just has no place in our civilisation and you should be careful of giving him the benefit of hiding behind a diagnosis, as he already started victimizing himself.

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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #21143501 - 01/19/15 11:12 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Murzelpfrumpft said:
I didn't mean to say this is a case of malice, that paragraph was more of an answer to your claim that intentionality doesn't make any difference if the outcome is the same.

The definition of what's sick and what's not sick is an extraordinarily hard one.

I do think it is relatively easy to explain that impulse in biological terms and you should have a hard time to declare inter-male aggression as sick, as it is very natural and nowadays just displays a lack of inhibition.
It just has no place in our civilisation and you should be careful of giving him the benefit of hiding behind a diagnosis, as he already started victimizing himself.




Agreed it has no place in civilization and he seems to acknowledge that and want to work on that. Such drive for self-improvement, however, deserves far more place in civilization than this mentality of being quick to throw stones at everything that makes us jump

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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #21143579 - 01/19/15 11:30 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder how OP's 700mg DXM trip went :strokebeard:

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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #21143660 - 01/19/15 11:46 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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JacksonMetaller said:
Such drive for self-improvement, however, deserves far more place in civilization than this mentality of being quick to throw stones at everything that makes us jump




I really don't get why you would constantly make efforts to justify or talk down what went down.
This is not being hypersensitive, people go to jail for this and it's justified.
Listen to yourself for one second, you are defending a mindless violent crime, that's not just something "that makes us jump" and it deserves to get a stone thrown at.

Whatever, I do not seem to understand your motivation and therefore it doesn't make sense to go on trying.

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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #21143799 - 01/19/15 12:12 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Murzelpfrumpft said:
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JacksonMetaller said:
Such drive for self-improvement, however, deserves far more place in civilization than this mentality of being quick to throw stones at everything that makes us jump




I really don't get why you would constantly make efforts to justify or talk down what went down.
This is not being hypersensitive, people go to jail for this and it's justified.
Listen to yourself for one second, you are defending a mindless violent crime, that's not just something "that makes us jump" and it deserves to get a stone thrown at.

Whatever, I do not seem to understand your motivation and therefore it doesn't make sense to go on trying.




This is what irks me. I have never once defended his actions but people can't seem to grasp that. I, however, refuse to hop in a circle jerk condemning OP when he already condemned himself plenty as a result of the recognition that I have my own demons and potentially unknown beasts dwelling within me like anyone here. This whole process for OP hasn't been "mindless" or glorified. He's doing plenty of reflection clearly and does not seem the least bit happy with his actions. I'm almost 99% confident proper redirection of his neuroses to something like boxing or martial arts or literally anything physical would result in this never happening again. He does not present himself as a ruthless serial killer or a clueless bro-douche who uses fists to communicate. He tapped into something hidden he didn't know he has, and now he's scarred of it. I do not consider him a threat as he is provided he seeks help, but the way people treat and respond to him will surely shape him to be one if that's what you wish to do. Monsters are often created by others, so keep confirming his fears if that's what you want to see

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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #21143903 - 01/19/15 12:36 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Man I don't know. That's really a good question. I mean, I do want to be having sex with her, but she's a little scary now and I don't know what I think of her. I resent her some I guess but she still turns me on too. The way she still wants to talk to me and after she got so turned on after I pummeled her fiancé makes me think she might get me killed if I kept up with her.

I don't know why but something felt incredibly gratifying about hitting him and that's why I couldn't seem to stop. If Sara hadn't put herself between me and him I might not have. She seems to care for him - I mean, she risked getting pummeled too right? She couldn't have known for sure I would not hit her, in the fit I was in - so what kind of chick gets off on seeing him get pummeled, but will risk being harmed for him, then fucks the guy who beat him up?

I think I need to think on this question Ellis. I am getting ready to drop 700mg of DXM and look into this.




Not the manner of self examination I would have recommended, but whatever helps you think things through. I guess what really baffles me is, all the other sordidness aside, how you can even have an inkling of feeling for a girl who starts gushing vaginal fluid at the site of some guy she's been fucking trashing her fiance's face.

Yeah, we can all understand it to an extent on a raw, biological level, but I sincerely feel like people in whom base urges utterly outweigh rationality and basic decency are unpredictable and dangerous at best. I also find it hard to understand how the guy is so calm about this, but I guess I don't have any experience dealing with men who want to be tied up and have their woman fucked in front of them.

Even if the couple are genuinely fine with this, you're obviously not and if the excitement of the thing sucks you back in it's just gonna be the same shit all over again, or at best some awkward sex while a man with a fat lip you're responsible is sat there watching you.


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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: EllisDSox] * 1
    #21144263 - 01/19/15 01:54 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

OP.....for everyone's good, I think you all need to part ways. The girl is sicker than either of you guys. You flirted with your primal self and got taught a lesson....one that fortunately left no-one dead and the others in prison for life. I really think you are lucky that there were no guns in the house or dude may have one-upped you six feet under.

Consider this a life lesson and learn from it. Learn that lesson that this behavior reaches regions of your psyche that you never knew existed and do everything in your power to stay the fuck away from any one or thing that can trigger it again.

Most people live a lifetime and never have anything remotely like this happen or become available to them, so, if you stay away from this girl...chances are, it won't happen again.:sunny::peace:


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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #21144286 - 01/19/15 01:58 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Murzelpfrumpft said:
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JacksonMetaller said:
Such drive for self-improvement, however, deserves far more place in civilization than this mentality of being quick to throw stones at everything that makes us jump




I really don't get why you would constantly make efforts to justify or talk down what went down.
This is not being hypersensitive, people go to jail for this and it's justified.
Listen to yourself for one second, you are defending a mindless violent crime, that's not just something "that makes us jump" and it deserves to get a stone thrown at.

Whatever, I do not seem to understand your motivation and therefore it doesn't make sense to go on trying.




Exactly. And he still lingers in this thread thinking he's right but he won't open his big boy eyes and realize how fucked up it is, he secretly wants to be OP..

Your sick man.


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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Dr.Dankhead]
    #21144300 - 01/19/15 01:59 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Dr.Dankhead said:
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Murzelpfrumpft said:
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JacksonMetaller said:
Such drive for self-improvement, however, deserves far more place in civilization than this mentality of being quick to throw stones at everything that makes us jump




I really don't get why you would constantly make efforts to justify or talk down what went down.
This is not being hypersensitive, people go to jail for this and it's justified.
Listen to yourself for one second, you are defending a mindless violent crime, that's not just something "that makes us jump" and it deserves to get a stone thrown at.

Whatever, I do not seem to understand your motivation and therefore it doesn't make sense to go on trying.




Exactly. And he still lingers in this thread thinking he's right but he won't open his big boy eyes and realize how fucked up it is, he secretly wants to be OP..

Your sick man.




That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I'm not the only one in this thread who's not berating him like some piece of worthless scum with no hope

Edited by JacksonMetaller (01/19/15 02:00 PM)

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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Dr.Dankhead] * 1
    #21144423 - 01/19/15 02:21 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I don't see it as being so horrible.

You're blowing this out of proportion.

I grew up in an environment where when you're 10 and you get in an argument with a friend, you fight it out, and then you shake hands and it's all good.  it''s a pretty common thing on our planet across almost all species.

with that said, I don't condone fighting AT ALL. I'm a non-violent person, and I don't see any real benefit to it.

let''s step back a second,  they invited him into this situation which, brings them pleasure and he was both kind and horny enough to agree and accept.

it's actually quite common for someone to lose control a little in their first fight.  I imagine OP is somewhere in their 20's, and when you have 20+ years of pent up rage and aggression that finally get's let loose, how is he supposed to know how to handle that?

with all that said, yeah it's shitty he went a little nuts on the guy, but what do you expect?
she told him to make sure his nose is bleeding, because he likes that

OP, you just got caught up in some stuff that you weren't entirely ready for, and made an honest mistake.

These dudes on their high horses can eat one.

We're all human and we all make mistakes.  reflect on yourself a bit before condemning others so harshly.

In the end, nobody is (seriously) hurt, and we're all breathing still.


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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #21144816 - 01/19/15 03:28 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, OP. I almost feel like I can relate to your reaction. If I get the opportunity I'll definitely avoid any similar scenarios in the future.

Personally, I can't/won't "play" with violence unless I know everybody involved is very clear on the rules and disciplined about following them. I also need to know that everybody is in the emotional mindset of having fun and not getting hurt. There are never any violent feelings involved. If violent feelings pop up, then the playing stops until everybody is feeling playful again. If the violence needed to feel real, then I'd probably end up fucking somebody up and feeling awful about it later, just like you. Real violence is too emotionally powerful. It's basically a reaction if I commit to it, and I can't partially commit. It's either violence or it's play, and it's got to be black and white like that for me. If I were to go into something like what you described with the idea of really feeling like I'm hurting somebody, then I'd really hurt them. Violence is a psychotic thing.

As a P.S., I'm not even thinking about play violence mixed with sex, just normal play violence. It's got to be a lot more dangerous with sex in the mix.

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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: JacksonMetaller] * 1
    #21145503 - 01/19/15 05:51 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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JacksonMetaller said:
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Dr.Dankhead said:
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Murzelpfrumpft said:
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JacksonMetaller said:
Such drive for self-improvement, however, deserves far more place in civilization than this mentality of being quick to throw stones at everything that makes us jump




I really don't get why you would constantly make efforts to justify or talk down what went down.
This is not being hypersensitive, people go to jail for this and it's justified.
Listen to yourself for one second, you are defending a mindless violent crime, that's not just something "that makes us jump" and it deserves to get a stone thrown at.

Whatever, I do not seem to understand your motivation and therefore it doesn't make sense to go on trying.




Exactly. And he still lingers in this thread thinking he's right but he won't open his big boy eyes and realize how fucked up it is, he secretly wants to be OP..

Your sick man.




That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I'm not the only one in this thread who's not berating him like some piece of worthless scum with no hope




He still lingers...,

His Big boy eyes remain shut,

He uses labels to irk a rise out of me. But he fails, i counter attack with some very well places commas, a nd some repetitive statment.

You get so upset dude, I think I know how you could deal with all those emotions, why don't you have a threesome with a man and his wife, just role play and slap him a little, but when you like how that slap feels (knowing you not the one getting slapped so who cares) you punch him and punch him, and start fucking unleashing all your anger and hatred on this innocent person, and then fuck that persons wife while that person bleeds upstairs, and may die, but who cares man all you wanna do is fuck some slut....but if that doesn't satisfy you, put your bloody fingers in that persons wife's mouth, fuck her real hard and get all that rage out.... And when your done, then go brag about being a fucking nut case on the Internet, in which case complete fucking lobotomized retarded big boys who are ignorant to the truth, will stand up for your actions 100 percent and secretly envy you.

If that doesn't hell you get over your anger I don't know what will


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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Dr.Dankhead]
    #21145744 - 01/19/15 06:38 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I've been in the BDSM scene before. It can be a fine line you walk playing the dominant. This chick obviously gets off on dominant male figures, which makes it really weird that she is going to marry such a submissive guy.

The number one rule when playing is respect for the safe-word and knowing what each other's limits are. This all should have been discussed as a group FIRST. After that the scenario can begin. The moment that you ignored his safe-word was the moment you stepped across the line. I'm not here to judge you, but I would highly recommend that you avoid any BDSM scene in the future.

Just my two cents, I'm not here to argue morality.

P.S. to the poster who said that this guy should hang himself, you are the sickest person in this entire thread.


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Re: Not sure how to handle this situation [Re: Dr.Dankhead]
    #21145846 - 01/19/15 06:56 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Dr.Dankhead said:
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JacksonMetaller said:


That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I'm not the only one in this thread who's not berating him like some piece of worthless scum with no hope




He still lingers...,

His Big boy eyes remain shut,

He uses labels to irk a rise out of me. But he fails, i counter attack with some very well places commas, a nd some repetitive statment.

You get so upset dude, I think I know how you could deal with all those emotions, why don't you have a threesome with a man and his wife, just role play and slap him a little, but when you like how that slap feels (knowing you not the one getting slapped so who cares) you punch him and punch him, and start fucking unleashing all your anger and hatred on this innocent person, and then fuck that persons wife while that person bleeds upstairs, and may die, but who cares man all you wanna do is fuck some slut....but if that doesn't satisfy you, put your bloody fingers in that persons wife's mouth, fuck her real hard and get all that rage out.... And when your done, then go brag about being a fucking nut case on the Internet, in which case complete fucking lobotomized retarded big boys who are ignorant to the truth, will stand up for your actions 100 percent and secretly envy you.

If that doesn't hell you get over your anger I don't know what will



I honestly have no clue what you're talking about or why you're trying to accuse me of having all these wild emotions. I simply told you your comment was stupid because it was. Because after all this time you still can't grasp that I don't support OPs actions and you accuse me of wanting to be like him. Dumb as shit. I don't support what OP did. I just don't think he needs a bunch of sherlocks beating a dead horse when he's already beating himself up about it. He gets it. None of you are contributing anything helpful. Do you get it? Or are you going to come back with some stupid retort about how I support violence again?

I'm using labels to irk a rise out of you? Have you seen the amount of condescending language you've used?

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