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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #21143672 - 01/19/15 11:48 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

When somebody can make a series of accurate predictions based on ther belief in god I'll listen.  Until then I have no use for it.

And you do not have to believe in god or any of that stuff to act morally and ethically.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21143674 - 01/19/15 11:48 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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we can't see negative consequences and think "hmm, if we don't do this we can avoid those consequences?" That's impossible?




how is that fucking Atheism though? stop changing the argument. i'm talking about Atheism being a hack-version of ethics... but we already have ethics, and we would have Ethics if we didn't have ecumenical discussions about make-belief Goddamn faerie giants.

so wtf does Atheism actually teach you about life? that you can think for yourself? i think therefore i am! it's already been done! so WHAT THEN?




holy shit are you having a stroke or something?

I've been saying this whole time that atheism is not a group, not a foundation for anything, not a discipline, not a dogma, not anything.

Now you're acting like I've been doing the exact opposite. :lolsy:



so it's not ANYTHING exactly@! it's the rejection of NOTHING! SO WTF IS IT THEN YO BAFFLING PERSON YOU? is it ANYTHING?

anything but the rejection of a God, that you don't even think is real, and that no one can proof is real or not real, and that only certain religious people will have FAITH in, while others won't even care one way or another?

because we don't need another word for logic, friendo. :lol:

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21143676 - 01/19/15 11:48 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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it is hyperbolic because it conflates that idea that people need an "anti-"religion to tell them to not believe in concepts like the Devil or God or Heaven...

we don't need you fucking people! seriously. we don't! cut the head off already.




apparently you're still whiffing on definitions.

Atheism: the lack of a belief in a god.


Where's the anti coming from? Am I anti werewolf if I don't believe in werewolves?


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21143681 - 01/19/15 11:49 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Ok I will agree atheism IS by some treated almost as a religion. Its at least talked about in that way. For me however, its not at all. I dont sit up and wonder what other atheist will think of me doing x or y, or wonder whether my lifestyle fits in with basic atheist teachings. I don't read about atheism, because what fun is that? Religion is interesting, atheism is... hardly a thing, from my perspective. I just use it as a term to describe my lack of religion, which is what I think it ought to mean.

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21143682 - 01/19/15 11:50 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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we can't see negative consequences and think "hmm, if we don't do this we can avoid those consequences?" That's impossible?




how is that fucking Atheism though? stop changing the argument. i'm talking about Atheism being a hack-version of ethics... but we already have ethics, and we would have Ethics if we didn't have ecumenical discussions about make-belief Goddamn faerie giants.

so wtf does Atheism actually teach you about life? that you can think for yourself? i think therefore i am! it's already been done! so WHAT THEN?




holy shit are you having a stroke or something?

I've been saying this whole time that atheism is not a group, not a foundation for anything, not a discipline, not a dogma, not anything.

Now you're acting like I've been doing the exact opposite. :lolsy:



so it's not ANYTHING exactly@! it's the rejection of NOTHING! SO WTF IS IT THEN YO BAFFLING PERSON YOU? is it ANYTHING?

anything but the rejection of a God, that you don't even think is real, and that no one can proof is real or not real, and that only certain religious people will have FAITH in, while others won't even care one way or another?

because we don't need another word for logic, friendo. :lol:




I'm glad you're finally catching on. :thumbup:


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21143690 - 01/19/15 11:52 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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When somebody can make a series of accurate predictions based on ther belief in god I'll listen.  Until then I have no use for it.

And you do not have to believe in god or any of that stuff to act morally and ethically.



but without religions we would not have the world today. for better and for worse. fact.

religions CAN be dangerous. fact.

people can find moral lessons, and knowledge in scriptures. fact.

it's not needed. fact.

Atheism is not needed. fact.

it's like religion in this way; that it isn't needed but yet exists to pander around to pathetic people.


fact?

because i never needed either religions or anti-religions to teach me morals and ethics. all i needed was lessons on morals and ethics, and maybe a ethics or philosophy book or two, by now, anyways.

but i never needed Atheism to tell me anything at all, period, except that i shouldn't believe in God and should never even discuss ideas which abjectly come from nowhere; that i should sit and study the world around me empirically, because i need to.

when that's already what i am doing. :shrug:

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21143692 - 01/19/15 11:52 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
When somebody can make a series of accurate predictions based on ther belief in god I'll listen.  Until then I have no use for it.

And you do not have to believe in god or any of that stuff to act morally and ethically.




Agree completely. I'm glad we're both riding the logic train.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21143695 - 01/19/15 11:53 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm glad you're finally catching on. :thumbup:



so basically Atheism, the thing you've just encumbered this argument with, is essentially just nothing, but a reduction of the word "logic".

and that's logical to you? because it's against Theism? you're a rationalist, so you can judge other people?

that's not ethical. which was my point.

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21143710 - 01/19/15 11:56 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

dude....you're still defining atheism as some belief system or power structure, and it isn't.


We just don't believe in god, because logic tells us it's unreasonable to believe something for which there is zero evidence. But since the theist majority can't handle dissent, as is evident from history, they have to sequester us into a little box of labels and assumptions.


"Saying atheism is a religion is like saying off is a tv channel."


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21143718 - 01/19/15 11:57 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Where's the anti coming from? Am I anti werewolf if I don't believe in werewolves?



way to miss the point. ATHEISM denotes a belief in something cannot be proven, hence, it's as religious and dogmatic as anything else, because you have to adhere to this belief structure all while having no proof, and you MUST insist on your Atheism always, because it's the only way to go. (because you insist that God and any subject matter relevant to nothingness should only be dealt with empirically, and that everyone should shut up with this God talk, because it annoys you?)

i can't even finish this shit, because it's so bafflingly stupid.

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21143731 - 01/19/15 11:58 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm glad you're finally catching on. :thumbup:



so basically Atheism, the thing you've just encumbered this argument with, is essentially just nothing, but a reduction of the word "logic".

and that's logical to you? because it's against Theism? you're a rationalist, so you can judge other people?

that's not ethical. which was my point.




Its not AGAINST theism. It's the absence of theism.

And I can judge other people because I'm an egocentric human being who happens to have logic on his side in this argument.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21143746 - 01/19/15 12:02 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Where's the anti coming from? Am I anti werewolf if I don't believe in werewolves?



way to miss the point. ATHEISM denotes a belief in something cannot be proven, hence, it's as religious and dogmatic as anything else, because you have to adhere to this belief structure all while having no proof, and you MUST insist on your Atheism always, because it's the only way to go. (because you insist that God and any subject matter relevant to nothingness should only be dealt with empirically, and that everyone should shut up with this God talk, because it annoys you?)

i can't even finish this shit, because it's so bafflingly stupid.





Well that's too bad because it seemed like you almost strung together a coherent question.

Atheism isn't a belief structure. for the dozenth time.

Second, atheism doesn't mean you think God is impossible. You can be an atheist and a deist.

Maybe you should start with the definition and implications of theism, and go from there. I'll check back after lunch.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21143754 - 01/19/15 12:03 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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dude....you're still defining atheism as some belief system or power structure, and it isn't.


We just don't believe in god, because logic tells us it's unreasonable to believe something for which there is zero evidence. But since the theist majority can't handle dissent, as is evident from history, they have to sequester us into a little box of labels and assumptions.


"Saying atheism is a religion is like saying off is a tv channel."



saying Atheism period is for ingrates. you cannot posit the belief in something without proof. here is your inherent quandary. how can you believe in something without proof?

Atheism is for really actually stupid people. doesn't mean their like, not stupid... but they're fucking stupid if they don't get the concept that God cannot be proven nor disproved. which is why it's a such a fascinating concept that needs not to be water downed, or dismissed cause some angry mathematician or logician or scientist can't prove it.

see, SEPARATE CONCEPTS. but you wanna be an Atheist because it makes you feel better. it's WORSE than religion. it's a modern form of stupid, that holds no bounds.

"i believe that have proof for something, here!"

*nothing*

"see?!"

see whaaaaat!?!

be a scientist, be rationalist, be anything but a dumb Atheist.

just say "i'm atheistic, i don't believe in God". "not even a little bit" "nope, i deny his existence... ok, now lets discuss, SCIENCE."

great. do that. just call yourself an "Atheist." so many people do and insist their can't be any God, cause there is no proof, and that is the stupid belief system i've ever heard of, or the world, in our collective human existence. and with how far we've come, too, it just goes to show how ignorant the human is to overarching concepts.

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21143756 - 01/19/15 12:03 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Its not AGAINST theism. It's the absence of theism.

And I can judge other people because I'm an egocentric human being who happens to have logic on his side in this argument.



really? cause so many people are. that's why Atheism is just another endemic plague.

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #21143782 - 01/19/15 12:08 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:

Its not AGAINST theism. It's the absence of theism.

And I can judge other people because I'm an egocentric human being who happens to have logic on his side in this argument.



really? cause so many people are. that's why Atheism is just another endemic plague.



Atheism is neither endemic nor a plague.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21143795 - 01/19/15 12:11 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Where's the anti coming from? Am I anti werewolf if I don't believe in werewolves?



way to miss the point. ATHEISM denotes a belief in something cannot be proven, hence, it's as religious and dogmatic as anything else, because you have to adhere to this belief structure all while having no proof, and you MUST insist on your Atheism always, because it's the only way to go. (because you insist that God and any subject matter relevant to nothingness should only be dealt with empirically, and that everyone should shut up with this God talk, because it annoys you?)

i can't even finish this shit, because it's so bafflingly stupid.





Well that's too bad because it seemed like you almost strung together a coherent question.

Atheism isn't a belief structure. for the dozenth time.

Second, atheism doesn't mean you think God is impossible. You can be an atheist and a deist.

Maybe you should start with the definition and implications of theism, and go from there. I'll check back after lunch.



it is indeed a belief structure or at least it's treated as such.
and to the second part of your post:
why is there a need for such a thing? " i don't believe in Gods, but i think there could be a God, i just don't think it exists"

isn't that Agnostic? or are you saying that God can be created in the future? or WHAT? what the fuck is the belief? that God isn't real but it can be? LOL WTF KIND OF BULLSHIT STUPID BELIEF IS THAT?

to many stupid words. agnostic, atheist deist, means the same exact thing, doesn't it?

my good God, discussing beliefs, or LACK thereof, is really stupid and annoying, altogether. but discussing religious literature isn't, so there's that. i don't think it needs to be discounted, is all i am saying. i read both Atheist and Religious literature. i don't see the point in denying anything.

maybe i'm just fucked.

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21143805 - 01/19/15 12:14 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Let me just be clear: atheism is a nonsensical label. you seem to agree with me.

Just like I don't need to call myself an a-astrologist or an a-wiccan I shouldn't need to call myself an a-theist. But don't pretend I'm sitting on my high horse because society is so ingrained in superstition they need to invent a label for me.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21143807 - 01/19/15 12:14 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Atheism is a religion.  Agnosticism is an admission of overall ignorance.


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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21143828 - 01/19/15 12:17 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Atheism is neither endemic nor a plague.



i don't see how it can't be. it's just another thing to talk nothing about, so why does it even exist? i guess it's just another anti-anti-thing.

personally, i might be an Atheist in the sense that i think God isn't really a thing, just more an idea... a concept... but then again, i might be something else, entirely. i don't know, and i think it's incredibly stupid to couch any discussions of concepts in these terms... hence why i call it a belief structure.

and yes, God can be whatever you want it to be, that's what i think the point is, anyway... personally, i could read the Old Testament, and learn that. i'd never have believed in God, if it weren't for people telling me there's a God. i guess that's the point of Atheism, is to counter act that effect... but why can you just called it being rational? after all, you can still think there is a God, that can exist, but... what, you don't believe in it?

believe in WHAT?@

ARGH!!1 i'm starting to get the feeling i've been tricked. belief is the stupidest thing. belief in nothing is even worse though. what do people do if they don't belief in anything? what do they belief in in Atheism? logic? check. rationality. check. what else? morning expresso?

or is it nothing? the cold hard calculated reasoning to believe in nothing at all?

so what happens without belief? the whole world comes together and starts forming new coalitions, to make what? new countries? Atheist countries? and Atheist governments... and we all like travel space and we're all happy in the end?

what a nice belief. i don't see the point.

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Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21143830 - 01/19/15 12:18 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Atheism is a religion.  Agnosticism is an admission of overall ignorance.



thank you. i completely agree.

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